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Old 17th Oct 2017, 23:11
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BA Cadet Programme

Well here we go folks ...

https://jobs.ba.com/jobs/vacancy/bri...8/description/

Fully self funded ... MPL or ATPL
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 10:14
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There is a diffrerent entry requirement for the MPL & ATPL route
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 13:45
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Seems a bit of a strange one, you'd think that L-3 would be advertising this heavily on their own website but so far I've seen nothing. On the BA website, the supposed link doesn't work at all.

No surprise with the funding method though, unfortunately IAG seem to be clamping down on their funded cadet programmes recently, big reduction in minimum entry standards on this programme too.

Edited: The link is working now working correctly and it has now appeared on the L-3 website.

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Old 18th Oct 2017, 14:29
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Does anyone know what would happen if I applied to this program given I already have an L3 application open with a different airline?

I mean this one is through the BA website, but eventually you would be handed over to L3 for the selection process so thinking two applications are not allowed.

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Fully self-funded and candidates get to pay £295 just to get to interview! I am surprised it has taken this long to go down this road, but with the current BA senior executives it was the only way it was ever going to go.

The fact that 2 former BA captains are involved with L3 Commercial Training Solutions is hardly likely to be coincidental:

Robin Glover-Faure - VP Airline Training

Colin Rydon - Director of Training
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 15:23
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MPL Route requires 112 UCAS tarif points while there is no mention for the ATPL route.

Both courses cost exactly the same though: £115,000, MPL is cheaper with EZY but ATPL with EZY costs more.
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... you'd think that L-3 would be advertising this heavily on their own website but so far I've seen nothing. On the BA website, the supposed link doesn't work at all, you'd expect them to get that right.
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You might want to have another look..the BA jobs site is working fine and there is an imbedded link within that takes you to the L3's own page.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 18:05
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Somewhat surprising for people in the company. It was known that any fully sponsored programme wasn't happening but Alex's latest was along the lines of "we should help them but not pay it for them".

I took that to mean some form of loan underwriting or salary sacrifice was on the table. This no assistance at all route is a bit of a kick in the teeth.

Nevertheless, best of luck to anyone who is applying.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 18:24
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Fully self-funded and candidates get to pay £295 just to get to interview! I am surprised it has taken this long to go down this road, but with the current BA senior executives it was the only way it was ever going to go.

The fact that 2 former BA captains are involved with L3 Commercial Training Solutions is hardly likely to be coincidental:

Robin Glover-Faure - VP Airline Training

Colin Rydon - Director of Training
You info is out of date. Robin is now Acting President of L3CTS
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The fact remains that when they were recruiting for the FPP in one particular year they had over 90 places to offer and couldn't fill them all, they subsequently took on some Whitetails from CTC (now L-3) to make up the numbers. That was with a loan guarantee on offer enabling candidates to apply regardless of personal or family wealth.

I do wonder how many places they have on offer for this particular scheme and whether they will fill all of them if they keep standards where they used to be.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 19:34
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Another blow for wannabe airline pilots. My particular highlight from the job ad is the 295 fee for an interview, laughably described as "a contribution towards the overall cost of L3 CTS running selection".

I remember a quote on the old FPP website, something like this:
"One of the biggest obstacles is the cost of pilot training. British Airways firmly believes this shouldn't be the case"

My question to BA Recruitment is simply, what's changed? Has BA's moral compass now decided that excluding vast swathes of potential applicants based on their financial circumstances is acceptable? Or has the company decided morals can be put to one side in return for the tiniest drop of extra profit? Neither reflects particularly well on the company.

To be fair to the recruitment team, to some extent their hands are probably tied. Finance is senior managements call and that's that. They didn't have to run a scheme like this though. From the outside it looks like Aer Lingus were also refused funding and they seem to have decided it's best not to run one at all than to ask cadets for 120k. Hats off to them. The previous head of pilot recruitment used to post on here from time to time. He seemed genuinley proud of the FPP (quite rightly) and the social mobility/equality aspect that the loan guarantee provided. I'd love to know his (and other BA pilots) views on this scheme but I imagine it's more than their job's worth...

I still hold out hope that BA might see sense and offer up some sort of funding. The reaction on L3's facebook feed has been overwhelmingly negative/cyanical. It's not unthinkable that the tabloids might see this as a good story either, BA tend to be held to a higher standard than the loco's. There's been no big fanfare with the launch, no real publicity as yet. It's almost as if BA themselves are a bit embarassed by the whole affair.

Quote of the day (stolen from a reply on L3's Facebook post):
"Call me a cynic but what we’re seeing is the total exclusion of most of society into a career that is retreating into the preserve of the rich."
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You info is out of date. Robin is now Acting President of L3CTS
My info is copied directly from the website in the links! It doesn't change a thing regarding the gist of my posting. Speak to the person/s responsible for running that website if it bothers you that much.

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Has BA's moral compass now decided that excluding vast swathes of potential applicants based on their financial circumstances is acceptable? Or has the company decided morals can be put to one side in return for the tiniest drop of extra profit? Neither reflects particularly well on the company.
The current CEO of BA does not have a moral compass, and he doesn't give a monkey's cuss how it reflects on the company. Profit before anything, because that is how he gets his rewards.
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Old 18th Oct 2017, 20:31
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Eligibility Criteria should have added one more line item..."afford £115,000".
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£115k is worth a A350 rating
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Why? It's just another aircraft:
heck...why buy a Ferrari?...its just another car !
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£115k is worth a A350 rating
I presume that was in jest ... no flight training on the planet is worth £115k
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...in this programme
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I presume that was in jest ... no flight training on the planet is worth £115k
I mean NASA Astronaut Training probably is, then again it is free. CTC should probably learn from them.
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Originally Posted by ManUtd1999 View Post
Quote of the day (stolen from a reply on L3's Facebook post):
"Call me a cynic but what we’re seeing is the total exclusion of most of society into a career that is retreating into the preserve of the rich."
Not strictly true- there's always the good old fashioned self-improver route open to anyone and everyone, just takes a bit more patience and sacrifice, especially if the end goal is to fly for BA and the like.
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So BA,

As you can see from people's reactions (including ex and current FPPs) and in my personal opinion as a current FPP, rightful comments, the new BA Cadet Programme is embarrassing to British Airways. There is no doubt that British Airways can no longer pride itself on employing 'the best pilots' when it limits its intake to only those who are wealthy enough to invest in the training.

Maybe it is just me but there seems to be some ambiguous answers flying around. I propose a few very simple questions..

Firstly, does BA realise how many not just successful but highly talented FPP First Officers are currently flying on the line for the airline? Many of which (and all of whom that I know) would not be in their current position was it not for the financial security of the FPP. Quite simply, removing this aspect from the Cadet Programme removes that talent available.
As plainly as can possibly be put, the current FPPs were chosen as the best out of all whom wanted to apply. The new scheme seems set out to take the best out of all whom can afford to apply. i.e. BA recruits the best of the people who can afford it rather than just the best full stop.
So, can BA see and do they agree that this new cadet scheme limits a huge amount of talent from the opportunity of becoming a British Airways pilot?

Secondly, as has been previously stated, not too long ago (FPP era) BA advertised that "one of the biggest obstacles is the cost of pilot training" and that "British Airways firmly believes this shouldn't be the case".
So, how is a talented individual who cannot afford the £115,000 supposed to be able to now pursue a career as a British Airways pilot?

I look forward to hearing any logical answers.
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