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I might be one of them, I emptied my mail box now.
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Hello guys,
I'm here to explain about my short experience with smartlynx.
I applied for A320 TR, I got the interview, I passed, and I got the date for the TR for april 2023.
I made few questions to them:
1. they do not guarantee any minimum hour (only to people with more the 500h on type), this means forget to fly during winter because they will give priority to people that by contract and agreement deserve it.
2. if during the touch and go in riga your aircraft needs de-ice YOU PAY FOR IT!.
3. you need to stay minimum 3 years or you pay a 10K penalty.
4. During line training you get 40eur per day ONLY!.
After these conditions (that I got just because I asked) I told them that I'm not going to go forward with them.
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Old 10th Feb 2023, 17:11
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Hello everybody,

I will correct a little bit what is written above as there's a lot of questions and misunderstanding/fake news here...
First of all, I am currently working for them via a recruitement agency. I am not responsible for what you understand or what you want to understand...

About the assessment :
  1. An online ATPL knowledge test (30 minutes, contains 30 questions on ATPL theory).
  2. An online psychometric assessment (approximately 3-3.5 hours).
  3. An interview meaning technical AND classical questions. As for any jobs, they want to know your knowledge about aviation (yes ATPL is a part of aviation) and you. So be prepared = stop spending too much time here and start reading your documents and EASA website. Stop asking what questions or what, just get to work. It's like any other interview for any jobs.
About TR :

As written on their website : 35k€ or 33.5k€ if you bring a friend.
It's ground school + SIM (Barcelona for me) + Base Training (Riga for me). It's done with their ATO.
It's straight forward from ground school to end of BT. You have to sign 4 agreements, one for each phase : booking / ground school / SIM / BT.
Duration for our group : 2 months from ground school to end of BT.

Amarob is right, you need to pay for de-icing during BT, it's not included as per agreement which you are to sign if you want to start with them, no suprise.
It is to share with other guys which who you'll be flying during BT.

After TR :

If you are successful during the TR and ONLY AFTER THE END OF THE TR, you may be offered a contract with a crewing agency which makes you work for SL. Meaning that you are not employed by SL itself, it's true and therefore you don't get a salary but what they call : compensation. After that, you need to undergo training for emergency drills (slides, doors...), OCC and the first OPC which are done together.

Then you are ready for your Line Training (LT). Mine is planned so flying in the winter is possible and will happen : you may fly in the winter but as he said it's not 100% sure. Again, it's in the contract that your are not forced to sign. No surprise. Amarob is also right here : as for now, during training (any ground training or LT) = 40€ per day. After that, it depends. But you are able to

What is not true :
  1. First of all it's a one year contract from 1st of January to 31st of December so those who say that you have to stay 3 years invented it or it may have been true before, don't know, don't care.
  2. You don't need to pay 10k€ for whatever reason BUT and as for any other job including a training, there is a repayment clause for employee training costs which is logical. There is a fee of 4k€ IF you leave within the 4 months after the last OPC/LPC check.
Knowing all of this, feel free to start with them or no.
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Old 10th Feb 2023, 17:26
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Originally Posted by Rub3ns View Post
Hello everybody, I will correct a little bit what is written above as there's a lot of questions and misunderstanding/fake news here...First of all, I am currently working for them via a recruitement agency. I am not responsible for what you understand or what you want to understand... About the assessment :An online ATPL knowledge test (30 minutes, contains 30 questions on ATPL theory).An online psychometric assessment (approximately 3-3.5 hours).An interview meaning technical AND classical questions. As for any jobs, they want to know your knowledge about aviation (yes ATPL is a part of aviation) and you. So be prepared = stop spending too much time here and start reading your documents and EASA website. Stop asking what questions or what, just get to work. It's like any other interview for any jobs.About TR : As written on their website : 35k or 33.5k if you bring a friend.It's ground school + SIM (Barcelona for me) + Base Training (Riga for me). It's done with their ATO.It's straight forward from ground school to end of BT. You have to sign 4 agreements, one for each phase : booking / ground school / SIM / BT.Duration for our group : 2 months from ground school to end of BT. Amarob is right, you need to pay for de-icing during BT, it's not included as per agreement which you are to sign if you want to start with them, no suprise.It is to share with other guys which who you'll be flying during BT. After TR : If you are successful during the TR and ONLY AFTER THE END OF THE TR, you may be offered a contract with a crewing agency which makes you work for SL. Meaning that you are not employed by SL itself, it's true and therefore you don't get a salary but what they call : compensation. After that, you need to undergo training for emergency drills (slides, doors...), OCC and the first OPC which are done together. Then you are ready for your Line Training (LT). Mine is planned so flying in the winter is possible and will happen : you may fly in the winter but as he said it's not 100% sure. Again, it's in the contract that your are not forced to sign. No surprise. Amarob is also right here : as for now, during training (any ground training or LT) = 40 per day. After that, it depends. But you are able to What is not true :First of all it's a one year contract from 1st of January to 31st of December so those who say that you have to stay 3 years invented it or it may have been true before, don't know, don't care.You don't need to pay 10k for whatever reason BUT and as for any other job including a training, there is a repayment clause for employee training costs which is logical. There is a fee of 4k IF you leave within the 4 months after the last OPC/LPC check.Knowing all of this, feel free to start with them or no.
Thank you so much for the info. It was really helpful. You are 100% right, Studying is the best and only way. I'm trying to refresh my knowledge and I hope I can pass the interview to join in March or April.
I really appreciate your help.
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Old 10th Feb 2023, 22:22
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Pure scum.

Paying for de-ice. Unbelievable.

Aviation is doomed. Forever.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 07:12
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Yeah it is what it is but it shouldn't be if of course..
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Rub3ns View Post
Hello everybody,

I will correct a little bit what is written above as there's a lot of questions and misunderstanding/fake news here...
First of all, I am currently working for them via a recruitement agency. I am not responsible for what you understand or what you want to understand...

About the assessment :
  1. An online ATPL knowledge test (30 minutes, contains 30 questions on ATPL theory).
  2. An online psychometric assessment (approximately 3-3.5 hours).
  3. An interview meaning technical AND classical questions. As for any jobs, they want to know your knowledge about aviation (yes ATPL is a part of aviation) and you. So be prepared = stop spending too much time here and start reading your documents and EASA website. Stop asking what questions or what, just get to work. It's like any other interview for any jobs.
About TR :

As written on their website : 35k or 33.5k if you bring a friend.
It's ground school + SIM (Barcelona for me) + Base Training (Riga for me). It's done with their ATO.
It's straight forward from ground school to end of BT. You have to sign 4 agreements, one for each phase : booking / ground school / SIM / BT.
Duration for our group : 2 months from ground school to end of BT.

Amarob is right, you need to pay for de-icing during BT, it's not included as per agreement which you are to sign if you want to start with them, no suprise.
It is to share with other guys which who you'll be flying during BT.

After TR :

If you are successful during the TR and ONLY AFTER THE END OF THE TR, you may be offered a contract with a crewing agency which makes you work for SL. Meaning that you are not employed by SL itself, it's true and therefore you don't get a salary but what they call : compensation. After that, you need to undergo training for emergency drills (slides, doors...), OCC and the first OPC which are done together.

Then you are ready for your Line Training (LT). Mine is planned so flying in the winter is possible and will happen : you may fly in the winter but as he said it's not 100% sure. Again, it's in the contract that your are not forced to sign. No surprise. Amarob is also right here : as for now, during training (any ground training or LT) = 40 per day. After that, it depends. But you are able to

What is not true :
  1. First of all it's a one year contract from 1st of January to 31st of December so those who say that you have to stay 3 years invented it or it may have been true before, don't know, don't care.
  2. You don't need to pay 10k for whatever reason BUT and as for any other job including a training, there is a repayment clause for employee training costs which is logical. There is a fee of 4k IF you leave within the 4 months after the last OPC/LPC check.
Knowing all of this, feel free to start with them or no.
Paying for de-icing, Jesus Christ.
No base salary at all? 40 a day in training, even in LT? I wouldn't be very surprised if they ask you to pay for accomodation.
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Old 12th Feb 2023, 11:46
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Hey when you say there is a repayment clause for training. Do they make you pay for extra training or recurrence training? Or is it only to be paid if you leave in said 4 month period after the training? Also while on duty is accommodation, crew meals and uniforms paid by the company?
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 16:57
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Hi, I wanted to know what life is like in the 737 fleet?

Thks
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Hi, I wanted to know what life is like in the 737 fleet?

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miserable they were rated the worst airline to work for by ECA https://www.eurocockpit.be/sites/def...rating_ECA.pdf
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Originally Posted by amjlappi View Post
Hey when you say there is a repayment clause for training. Do they make you pay for extra training or recurrence training? Or is it only to be paid if you leave in said 4 month period after the training? Also while on duty is accommodation, crew meals and uniforms paid by the company?
You pay your type rating, It is 35K Euros. You pay in from your pocket. If you leave within 3 years you need to pay certain amount of penalty which I do not know exact number but it should be between 7 to 10 K. After SLX might offer your service agreement (most likely they will) which you are employed by agencies in either Dubai, Malta or Netherlands. During line training you got paid 50 euro each day which means you can make up to 1500 Euros per month before income tax and social security contributions (make sure there is no guaranteed work so you can be spending half of the month at home while you are only 10 days on duty which will make you only 500 euros). Line training takes approximately 2-3 months if you are lucky. Accommodation is paid when you are on duty, crew meals provided (only on active flying day) and ticket from home to home is provided once a month.

After line check and up to 500 hours from line check you got paid 80 Euros a day which you can make maximum 2400 euro a month before income tax and social security contributions. You may end up earning 0 Euros. Remember no guaranteed fee until you pass 500 hours after line check. So we are talking about absolutely maximum in case all goes well. And you can count 1-1,5 year to reach 500 hours limit in the company.

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Old 17th Feb 2023, 13:20
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I will update what is said here :

Type rating : 35k and not 39k as written. It's on their website.

There is NO bond. Nothing to pay unless you leave within 4 months after the last OPC/LPC and only if they are able to make you fly within the 15 days.

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Old 18th Feb 2023, 07:23
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Originally Posted by Rub3ns View Post
I will update what is said here :

Type rating : 35k€ and not 39k€ as written. It's on their website. Stop inventing...

There is NO bond, stop saying bullshit. Nothing to pay unless you leave within 4 months after the last OPC/LPC and only if they are able to make you fly within the 15 days.

Stop spreading shit here.
You did a great job! Thanks for updating, I correct the type rating fee it is my bad. I wasn't talking about bond but contractual penalty. About that i am not sure, i will investigate. I see you are new in company and you are trying to justify your choice to joining them as cadet, just relax make sure you are polite not need to get aggresive.

But make sure using proper language to the people you dont even know. I would expect more from SLX pilot. Better to look at the shit SLX spreading around.
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Originally Posted by uberfly View Post
You did a great job! Thanks for updating, I correct the type rating fee it is my bad. I wasn't talking about bond but contractual penalty. About that i am not sure, i will investigate. I see you are new in company and you are trying to justify your choice to joining them as cadet, just relax make sure you are polite not need to get aggresive.

But make sure using proper language to the people you dont even know. I would expect more from SLX pilot. Better to look at the shit SLX spreading around.
I don't justify and I don't defend anything, I chose, like everybody can do here and I am not complaining about the choice I made. It is what it is. The bond is in the contract.

You're right about being polite.


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Old 20th Feb 2023, 14:38
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hello everyone, im type Rated 737 FO what do you think the process is for type rated applicants, and are the salaries or "compensation" the same for type rated FOs?
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Old 22nd Feb 2023, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Rub3ns View Post
I will update what is said here :

Type rating : 35k€ and not 39k€ as written. It's on their website.

There is NO bond. Nothing to pay unless you leave within 4 months after the last OPC/LPC and only if they are able to make you fly within the 15 days.
I am just reading official contract. Please see copy paste below in italic. There is penalty in case you leave if you join as scale 1. You claim there is not, but here you are.

- 10,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1
if leaving within 1st year from the date of initial
line check;
- 7,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1 if
leaving within 2nd year from the date of initial
line check;
- 5,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1 if
leaving within 3rd year from the date of initial
line check;
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Originally Posted by uberfly View Post
I am just reading official contract. Please see copy paste below in italic. There is penalty in case you leave if you join as scale 1. You claim there is not, but here you are.

- 10,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1
if leaving within 1st year from the date of initial
line check;
- 7,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1 if
leaving within 2nd year from the date of initial
line check;
- 5,000 EUR for First officers joined at scale 1 if
leaving within 3rd year from the date of initial
line check;
When did you sign your contract and with which agency ?

I don't have this in mine then I understand I am not a cadet. I did the TR with their ATO but not my entire training.

​​​​​None of us is having this in our contract.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 09:48
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looks like a confair contract i have the same, I did my training at BAA (shit school btw) people even quit before joining smartlynx ha
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Cadet is when you do all your initial training with BAA and Smartlynx ATO. But if you apply for the type rating only, you don't have such things in your contract.
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