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Old 4th Mar 2017, 15:21
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Gents, a lot has to be explained about the DLR. In order to help community, feedback from (successful) applicants is essential. Personal techniques and relevant infos are more than welcome.

Applicants do not apply to DLR test. The airline proposes applicants to the DLR test according to their own preferences and criteria. The test is conducted every two weeks only, meaning they will take some time to fill the seats with applicants. Should one expect an answer longer than most counterparts, it may mean that the airline has put some other applicants ahead according with their current needs. The "good thing" is that most will fail the test, so more time to study/prepare yourself and more chances to succeed.

PREPARATION:
When you receive the invitation you will get a password for the DLR training website and can expect a comprehensive information list with tests to be expected (but not all). Alternatively, you can buy access to similar tests online. From what I read so far, this will help you improve significantly. Some exams are not exactly the same as in training, either less time in reality, more/different figures/or info provided through headsets, rather than written on the screen.

For my own experience DLR provided tests are enough. Fell free to think differently.

ON THE EXAMINATION DAY:
The address is: Sportallee 54A (right wing of the building), 5th floor, then go left off the elevator/stairs. Be there on time or before, after all this is Germany! You can't go wrong here.

The room has 48 stations (seats and tables) 6 rows x 8 columns, although it is not supposed to be full on examination date, in case of equipment failure. Each table has a touchscreen and a joystick. There is a waiting room next to this room, with a toilet next door and some free water dispenser (no coffee as it increases your blood pressure and it's also diuretic).

For about 15 minutes, they will brief you about the airline's requirements and what to expect while collecting your documents. They are easygoing (for Germans), and provide sets of instructions before each test with a very calm voice.

Before each test, you will have a few chances to practice the test. Only when every applicant terminates the practice period, there will be a questions period before actual test, so everyone starts at the same time getting the same chance.
DLR has the BU (for ab-initio applicants) and the GU (for ready entry pilots) tests. Tests for Captain positions do not contain English or Aeronautical knowledge.

They come in this order (irrelevant):

ROT
SKT
>>10 minute break<<
RMS
KRN
234 Personality questions (in 40 minutes)
>>10 minute break<<
VLR
VMC
>>10 minute break<<
96 Cockpit Management questions (attitude and leadership style - for Captains)
OWT
>>1 hour lunch break<<
MIC

These tests are done with a computer, meaning they are inflexible regarding time and assistance. No paper, calculator, cellphones allowed.
Read all DLR (and your recruiting agency's) information thoroughly so you can save time on examination day.
They (DLR) write things like this in the preparation package "you can't expect your employer to teach you things you should already know according to your license", etc..

Typically German, I suppose.

On the instruction phase, assume you haven't read the sets of rules before. This will force you to read everything from scratch and obtain the required mindset, then you will have a chance to practice without time or score pressure. You'll end flying the Airbus, so you better off starting to read instructions from the beginning. The same applies here, no joke!

TIPS:
ENS - Disregard if you are doing well on training. There are a few 5th grade books or get an updated grammar. I don't mean to offend anyone, but for most, ENG is not mother language - even for the one's who is - most write/speak according to what seems right, sometimes it isn't.
KRN & RAG - Google vedic math tricks. You will be amazed! Allow yourself some time to learn.
KRN - They provide information through headsets, then purely mental calculation.
RAG - You are allowed to use pen(cil) and paper, but really no time to sketch you thoughts.
FWT - Get the dust off your ATP books. Expect Law, Ops procedures, Wx and Performance questions mainly.
OWT - Stay as far off the screen as you can to gain perspective. Be advised, actual test is all the way at Level 3 from training made available online by DLR beforehand.
SKT - Memorize only the Keywords (Colour/Orientation/Dots) two by two. You have 15 seconds for this. Repeat them in that order as many times as you can, before and during the test. When they change, do this again.
ROT - It might help to train everyday. Close your eyes and picture the cube. It shifts from easy to difficult.
1) Remember that if position is LEFT/RIGHT, you can move cube FRONT/BACK [over it's edges] as many time as you'd like and it will stay on that position.
2) Remember that if position is FRONT/BACK, you can move cube LEFT/RIGHT [over it's edges] as many time as you'd like and it will stay on that position.
VLR - This is actually one of the few natural skills you have to use here. You can sharpen speed by training, but you can difficultly fool this simple test. Step back from the screen to gain perspective. You have 5 seconds to memorize turn sides (L/R) so try overlap your LEFT/RIGHT hand over the other according with turn side. This will allow you not to forget or get confused (read line 1 from VLR).
RMS - Ever asked yourself why phone number usually only have 9 digits? Memorize sequence 3 by 3 or 4 by 4 and you will memorize at least the last 6 digits easily.
1) The trick is to repeat them to yourself when the sequence ends because you have to write them in reverse and can only erase the last two digits.
2) They will start with difficult sequences and then blend some hard/easy ones with no order nor warning. Some have as little as 7 digits, so don't expect 5 seconds after audio starts to pay attention!
VMC - Incredibly this was the test people complained the most. (Read line 1 from VLR)
1 two-back, 2 three-back, 2 four-back 2 five-back sequences. Should you make this one mostly correct, you can bet that DLR will recommend you to ESA Astronaut Training Center in Koln. 🤥
MIC - Being an Airbus FO helps. Use left hand to input touchscreen and right hand to control joystick. The joystick behaves "like the side stick" although feeling is different.
1) You set TURN and/or CLB/DSC desired rate and release it to neutral position and it will continue on that position until you counteract to break TURN/CLB/DSC rate.
2) You have plenty of time. Approximately 45 minutes training and 10-15 minutes test.

Try to remember, they want good pilots, not perfect. In some tests 85-90% is target, in others 30% is very good. Think of this whole day as a "game" and don't take it too seriously. This will help you relax and succeed. You will also meet new people. Probably some will be your colleagues and friends afterwords.

Good luck, hopefully you won't need it.

Just keep an open mind!!!

Last edited by sun shines every day; 16th Mar 2017 at 16:57. Reason: Update
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Old 5th Mar 2017, 08:23
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You can use paper and pencil ONLY for the maths problem test!
I used the DLR CBT for one month, every day, one time for exercise... and for the MIC another software... it was not easy but when you will go for the test, for sure you'll be more self-confident!!!
I agree with sun shines every day, you have to find your way in order to make each exercise comfortable for you!

Good luck
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Old 5th Mar 2017, 08:47
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Thanks for those very nice informations! I am preparing with Skytest everyday around 90min.

I feel more confident reading this and hope that I will be called soon!
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Old 5th Mar 2017, 12:43
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Thank guys . If anyone is going for the sim assessment please let us know and would be nice if share the feedback .
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Old 6th Mar 2017, 16:25
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Question regarding the DLR test. In the Skytest app they make us practice calculations of different type that doesn't look really important for a Pilot. Are those type of calculations asked at the real DLR test?
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Old 6th Mar 2017, 18:45
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They are not part of the DLR GU test. Unless you are not bothered doing them just to refresh some old school stuff. Mental Arithmetics are very important, though, where the majority of people struggle the most.

Good Luck and keep on practicing. I am in the same boat as you.
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Old 6th Mar 2017, 20:11
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Ok ok !

Yes best of luck for you too !
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Old 7th Mar 2017, 17:58
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HI ,

I'm not sure if you can help me with this one but is there a trick behind the cube folding test ?
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Old 7th Mar 2017, 19:14
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In my test I didn't have this exercise!
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Old 7th Mar 2017, 19:25
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I hope so hehe.
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Old 8th Mar 2017, 16:43
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I have an invitation to the Eurowings "Basic Testing" next month, but it's quite difficult to find a lot of information about it.
From the DLR preparation downloads that are provided I assume that it's the normal DLR GU? But then again I wodner why they'd rename it to "Basic Testing" in that case.

@Fieldins
You said that cube folding (PPT) was not part of your test, however, the test is in the preparation folder? Or maybe they did another kind of testing back then, right now I'm a little confused as in what tests to actually expect.
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 06:36
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@Aves88 In my test I had all of the ex in the cbt except PPT. Plus ATPL and CRM questions!
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 08:48
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Hey everyone! I got my invitation 😃. Anyone else invited to the 21st of April selection (Basic Testing)? Does anyone know how many phases of selection there are, and what the timespan is? I read in a 2015 post 4 phases. Is it still up-to-date?
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 11:00
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@Aves88: when did you send your DLR Affirmation form?
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 13:11
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For dlr physics you can use vimana software,
for rest use skytest and dlr cbts together,
at first few days your scores will be low but after the first week they rise quite high.
Preperation is the key, do all the modules at least once every day.
If you like the terrible translations of google translate and need some tactics, you can check "http://forum.airporthaber.com/forumdisplay.php?f=291".
Very good tactics to score high for the modules of dlr1.

I also believe dlr 2 is about preperation.
I would suggest you to ask questions to yourself as if you were from human resources.
Ask questions as much as possible.
Try to find solid reasons to possible questions.
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 16:01
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@Fieldins
You mentioned your test was in English though, right? Did everyone have the tests in English or could you choose?

@Inverted21
From what I read it's still 4 phases.
1) DLR GU (or similar)
2) Sim-Screening
3) Single (and possible group) tests plus that bridge loading test.
4) Interview

3) and 4) should be in consecutive days though. So theoretically you could count as either 3 or 4 phases.

@Miambin
A week or two before christmas I think. I applied back in September 2015.

@Ihatemondays
I don't think there's a physics test. Normally the physics test is substituted by the general ATPL test for ready entries.
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 04:55
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Yep, you can choose. HAM for the English test, ZRH and VIE only German!
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Old 10th Mar 2017, 15:04
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Is there anyone of you already flying for EWE?

If yes, any further Information would be highly appreciated. E.g. Is ID-Travel possible, How many sectors do you guys fly per month in average... ?

Thanks
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Old 12th Mar 2017, 11:33
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@Aves88, Thanks!
You said "next month" in march, so I will probably see you in HAM on the 12th of April?

Also regarding flyhigh788: what was your timespan from DLR GU until starting date?
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Old 12th Mar 2017, 12:44
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Hi! Is there anyone that went the last FEB. to DLR ASSESMENT that can give us a good feedback?

Also any of you know if in MENTAL ARITHMETIC is possible to use pen and paper? Or just only in MATHEMATICS?
Thanks in advanced!
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