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First time post; so be gentle!
For the avoidance of doubt, could someone confirm:
A CTC MPL graduate joining EZY - am I correct in thinking they are on Flexi-crew and - if so - what is the base salary for them.
Are bond repayments then deducted from gross?
Once you have been offered a permanent role (12-24 months?) - assuming you are - then your bond repayments are on top?
I'm through to final interviews this week and, of course, stand good chance of not making the cut. But IF I am "lucky" enough (depending on your perspective!) to get through, I really just want to know what the salaries will be.
Various figures bandied around on the forum, from £38750 to £40500, but unclear whether bond repayments are on top, or deducted from gross, or net!
Could somebody please provide a definitive answer?
For the avoidance of doubt, could someone confirm:
A CTC MPL graduate joining EZY - am I correct in thinking they are on Flexi-crew and - if so - what is the base salary for them.
Are bond repayments then deducted from gross?
Once you have been offered a permanent role (12-24 months?) - assuming you are - then your bond repayments are on top?
I'm through to final interviews this week and, of course, stand good chance of not making the cut. But IF I am "lucky" enough (depending on your perspective!) to get through, I really just want to know what the salaries will be.
Various figures bandied around on the forum, from £38750 to £40500, but unclear whether bond repayments are on top, or deducted from gross, or net!
Could somebody please provide a definitive answer?
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Maybe one should take into consideration that there might be a very pragmatic reason for an airline to be vague about their requirements to take a cadet from a route and offer him or her a job.
EZY“s cadet recruitment is based on a predicted growth. So there is of course the possibility that that predicted growth does not develop as wished. Therefore it might be handy, from the airline“s point of view, to have some kind of an adjuster. If they need many pilots their requirements will be a bit lower and if they do not need that many pilots their requirements will be a bit higher...
EZY“s cadet recruitment is based on a predicted growth. So there is of course the possibility that that predicted growth does not develop as wished. Therefore it might be handy, from the airline“s point of view, to have some kind of an adjuster. If they need many pilots their requirements will be a bit lower and if they do not need that many pilots their requirements will be a bit higher...
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That makes sense but it's not entirely what the issue is here.
They phoned us, emailed us, they said we were offered places on 'generation easyJet'. Then they turned back on this. That is inexcusable is the point.
They phoned us, emailed us, they said we were offered places on 'generation easyJet'. Then they turned back on this. That is inexcusable is the point.
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If they were going around future demand, they could have just staggered start dates out a bit or put people in a hold pool. In my current role (non-aviation), I sat in a hold pool before being assessed, then entered the "successful" pool and after a few months was given a start date, the entire process from start to finish took about 15 months.
Easyjet are a huge airline and therefore having being a few pilots over or under their requirements shouldn't really hurt them. The only way I could understand them going back on an offer due to a problem at their end is if they were in serious financial trouble or similar.
Easyjet are a huge airline and therefore having being a few pilots over or under their requirements shouldn't really hurt them. The only way I could understand them going back on an offer due to a problem at their end is if they were in serious financial trouble or similar.
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Interesting thought, but in which way would they save money by that, they are not investing anything by offering you route 2 or 3, as fare as I“m informed.
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Wanting getting into the airline industry? Try and understand/complete the following:
1. there are no rules
2. there are no guarantees
3. Make sure you give your self the best opportunity to pass all exams >85% first go and,
4. Pass all skills test first go
5. MCC and JOC on a Airbus or Boeing
Don't listen to promises of dreams come true, and never trust an organisation to help you get there. Follow your own dreams and be your own destiny. If it means taking longer to do so, then take your time... I mean it... take your time, but get the results!
Plenty of airlines these next years will be hiring people who took the time to understand the above.
1. there are no rules
2. there are no guarantees
3. Make sure you give your self the best opportunity to pass all exams >85% first go and,
4. Pass all skills test first go
5. MCC and JOC on a Airbus or Boeing
Don't listen to promises of dreams come true, and never trust an organisation to help you get there. Follow your own dreams and be your own destiny. If it means taking longer to do so, then take your time... I mean it... take your time, but get the results!
Plenty of airlines these next years will be hiring people who took the time to understand the above.
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@ Officer Kite,
Im with you on this. I received the good news about 'passing' generation easy jet also. From my ADAPT debrief over the phone (January) i did quite well, I had passed, and was to await a start date. It was then a waiting game, then 2 weeks ago i received a phone call from OAA informing me i had scored an amber on the PQ, and because of this i was being offered route 4 by easy jet, being a safety conscious airline they couldn't take a risk on me.
The amber was my appetite to risk, now i find this extremely interesting. I'll admit i do skydive (a lot), but its all calculated, and i have not jumped when the weather/elements are not right. My job is a risky one, so i mitigate that risk to the lowest possible factor. I held a very senior post within a large organization with a deep routed belief in safety and risk management. I had a number of employees underneath me, who had a hazardous jobs at times. My job was to mitigate that risk, therefore i'm in the opinion I'm very risk averse.
Now OAA were at pains to tell me i had passed their standard even if not that of easy jet, and i could happily pay £128'000 for my fATPL with an A320 rating....and then apply to easy jet again. This made me laugh as it is a very risky gamble....
I think the way easy have gone about this is not in keeping with their ethos..
Safety – Our number one value, sitting at the core of everything we do.
Pioneering – We challenge to find new ways to make travel easy and affordable.
One team – Together we’ll always find a way.
Passion – We have genuine passion for our customers, our people and the work we do.
Integrity – We stand by our word and do what we say.
Simplicity – We cut out the things that don’t matter to keep us lean and make it easy.
I'm afraid you failed on Integrity, for me that is a big red flag.
I suppose at the end of the day buyer beware. I have no ill feeling towards OAA, they did what they said they were going to do. My anger is aimed at easy and the way they have treated me and everyone else who has been stiffed!
Im with you on this. I received the good news about 'passing' generation easy jet also. From my ADAPT debrief over the phone (January) i did quite well, I had passed, and was to await a start date. It was then a waiting game, then 2 weeks ago i received a phone call from OAA informing me i had scored an amber on the PQ, and because of this i was being offered route 4 by easy jet, being a safety conscious airline they couldn't take a risk on me.
The amber was my appetite to risk, now i find this extremely interesting. I'll admit i do skydive (a lot), but its all calculated, and i have not jumped when the weather/elements are not right. My job is a risky one, so i mitigate that risk to the lowest possible factor. I held a very senior post within a large organization with a deep routed belief in safety and risk management. I had a number of employees underneath me, who had a hazardous jobs at times. My job was to mitigate that risk, therefore i'm in the opinion I'm very risk averse.
Now OAA were at pains to tell me i had passed their standard even if not that of easy jet, and i could happily pay £128'000 for my fATPL with an A320 rating....and then apply to easy jet again. This made me laugh as it is a very risky gamble....
I think the way easy have gone about this is not in keeping with their ethos..
Safety – Our number one value, sitting at the core of everything we do.
Pioneering – We challenge to find new ways to make travel easy and affordable.
One team – Together we’ll always find a way.
Passion – We have genuine passion for our customers, our people and the work we do.
Integrity – We stand by our word and do what we say.
Simplicity – We cut out the things that don’t matter to keep us lean and make it easy.
I'm afraid you failed on Integrity, for me that is a big red flag.
I suppose at the end of the day buyer beware. I have no ill feeling towards OAA, they did what they said they were going to do. My anger is aimed at easy and the way they have treated me and everyone else who has been stiffed!
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unfortunately I can agree with the above statements... OAA has been put in a very awkward position by EASY. Especially after sending all cadets a mail mentioning the d-day for the routes on the 1 st march... Even if I was offered an MPL, which i didn't, I would not thrust Easy anymore.
They have clearly showed that they don't give a thing on what you think, say or expect of them. AND ..... If you do.... they kick you as easily out of the programme with a dumb excuse that the standards have been reviewed.
They have clearly showed that they don't give a thing on what you think, say or expect of them. AND ..... If you do.... they kick you as easily out of the programme with a dumb excuse that the standards have been reviewed.
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@ Officer Kite,
Im with you on this. I received the good news about 'passing' generation easy jet also. From my ADAPT debrief over the phone (January) i did quite well, I had passed, and was to await a start date. It was then a waiting game, then 2 weeks ago i received a phone call from OAA informing me i had scored an amber on the PQ, and because of this i was being offered route 4 by easy jet, being a safety conscious airline they couldn't take a risk on me.
The amber was my appetite to risk, now i find this extremely interesting. I'll admit i do skydive (a lot), but its all calculated, and i have not jumped when the weather/elements are not right. My job is a risky one, so i mitigate that risk to the lowest possible factor. I held a very senior post within a large organization with a deep routed belief in safety and risk management. I had a number of employees underneath me, who had a hazardous jobs at times. My job was to mitigate that risk, therefore i'm in the opinion I'm very risk averse.
Now OAA were at pains to tell me i had passed their standard even if not that of easy jet, and i could happily pay £128'000 for my fATPL with an A320 rating....and then apply to easy jet again. This made me laugh as it is a very risky gamble....
I think the way easy have gone about this is not in keeping with their ethos..
Safety – Our number one value, sitting at the core of everything we do.
Pioneering – We challenge to find new ways to make travel easy and affordable.
One team – Together we’ll always find a way.
Passion – We have genuine passion for our customers, our people and the work we do.
Integrity – We stand by our word and do what we say.
Simplicity – We cut out the things that don’t matter to keep us lean and make it easy.
I'm afraid you failed on Integrity, for me that is a big red flag.
I suppose at the end of the day buyer beware. I have no ill feeling towards OAA, they did what they said they were going to do. My anger is aimed at easy and the way they have treated me and everyone else who has been stiffed!
Im with you on this. I received the good news about 'passing' generation easy jet also. From my ADAPT debrief over the phone (January) i did quite well, I had passed, and was to await a start date. It was then a waiting game, then 2 weeks ago i received a phone call from OAA informing me i had scored an amber on the PQ, and because of this i was being offered route 4 by easy jet, being a safety conscious airline they couldn't take a risk on me.
The amber was my appetite to risk, now i find this extremely interesting. I'll admit i do skydive (a lot), but its all calculated, and i have not jumped when the weather/elements are not right. My job is a risky one, so i mitigate that risk to the lowest possible factor. I held a very senior post within a large organization with a deep routed belief in safety and risk management. I had a number of employees underneath me, who had a hazardous jobs at times. My job was to mitigate that risk, therefore i'm in the opinion I'm very risk averse.
Now OAA were at pains to tell me i had passed their standard even if not that of easy jet, and i could happily pay £128'000 for my fATPL with an A320 rating....and then apply to easy jet again. This made me laugh as it is a very risky gamble....
I think the way easy have gone about this is not in keeping with their ethos..
Safety – Our number one value, sitting at the core of everything we do.
Pioneering – We challenge to find new ways to make travel easy and affordable.
One team – Together we’ll always find a way.
Passion – We have genuine passion for our customers, our people and the work we do.
Integrity – We stand by our word and do what we say.
Simplicity – We cut out the things that don’t matter to keep us lean and make it easy.
I'm afraid you failed on Integrity, for me that is a big red flag.
I suppose at the end of the day buyer beware. I have no ill feeling towards OAA, they did what they said they were going to do. My anger is aimed at easy and the way they have treated me and everyone else who has been stiffed!
Basically, OAA said congratulations you have passed to THEIR standard. They did not inform you that they would then hand over your application to easyJet and they will then have the FINAL say. After all, it is easyJet's decision on who to employ as an easyJet airline pilot.
That's my view and that's what happened with CTC.
CTC said to their applicants that "well done for passing the final stage. We will now pass your information to easyJet who will assess your file and then we will let you know whether or not you have passed".
OAA is sub par to CTC anyway and now you know why.
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@ A320ACEM.. That is not true ! I have been one of them and know exactly to what standards I got accepted for. Get your info right .. Some people who didn't met the Easy standards after phase3 got offered a place as a white tail at OAA..
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Well actually, had OAA informed you that your file will be passed onto easyJet and they will then determine whether or not you have "passed", you would not have been dealt a "low-blow".
Basically, OAA said congratulations you have passed to THEIR standard. They did not inform you that they would then hand over your application to easyJet and they will then have the FINAL say. After all, it is easyJet's decision on who to employ as an easyJet airline pilot.
That's my view and that's what happened with CTC.
Basically, OAA said congratulations you have passed to THEIR standard. They did not inform you that they would then hand over your application to easyJet and they will then have the FINAL say. After all, it is easyJet's decision on who to employ as an easyJet airline pilot.
That's my view and that's what happened with CTC.
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Thank you for attending the Generation easyJet Pilot Training Programme, final Stage 3 assessment.
We are delighted to confirm that you have successfully passed your assessment and we are thrilled to welcome you onto the Generation easyJet AND CAE Oxford Aviation Academy pilot training programme."
Now tell me that does not tell us we have passed easyJet selection.
There's no point trying to offer various explanations, because there are none. It's clear what has happened.
And Andy, I too was highlighted as "amber in safety" and told about easyjet being a "safety concious" airline. The funny thing is that in the past I have actually worked in an airline's flight safety department!!
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Kite, exactly! OAA were wrong to send you that email!
Listen, from what I have been told by a good friend at CTC, when a candidate meets the requirements of the MPL scheme, they are told that easyJet will review their file before they are confirmed onto the course.
This clearly was never said here by OAA because they do not care. This is OAA's error and not easyJets.
OAA should have emailed you "congratulations, you have passed the final stage. Now please wait whilst we pass your file onto easyJet for review. We will be in touch soon" just like they did with CTC.
Listen, from what I have been told by a good friend at CTC, when a candidate meets the requirements of the MPL scheme, they are told that easyJet will review their file before they are confirmed onto the course.
This clearly was never said here by OAA because they do not care. This is OAA's error and not easyJets.
OAA should have emailed you "congratulations, you have passed the final stage. Now please wait whilst we pass your file onto easyJet for review. We will be in touch soon" just like they did with CTC.
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ECAM please try and be a little less condescending in your post's and get down off your high horse, we know what the email we were sent informed us . Like Officer Kite's email, we were told we had passed all phases of the selection process and were waiting on our routes from easy jet. I had various phone calls and emails with the OAA selection team who handle the selection process just like CTC selection team (virgin, BA etc). And the calls were very specific, on why the delay.
ECAM could you confirm if you have only attended CTC or if you attended both schools? If you have not gone through the OAA application, then i'm afraid you have no horse on this race. If you have then I'll be more than happy to retract the following. Saying CTC is better than OAA without having been through any OAA selection is rather one sided, I haven't been through the CTC easy jet selection so i can't comment on it. And to make a fair comparison you would have to train with both schools, otherwise your point about CTC being better than OAA is null and void.
ECAM could you confirm if you have only attended CTC or if you attended both schools? If you have not gone through the OAA application, then i'm afraid you have no horse on this race. If you have then I'll be more than happy to retract the following. Saying CTC is better than OAA without having been through any OAA selection is rather one sided, I haven't been through the CTC easy jet selection so i can't comment on it. And to make a fair comparison you would have to train with both schools, otherwise your point about CTC being better than OAA is null and void.
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To be fair, I think the way OAA have treated you guys says all you need to know about them as an organisation. I'm not suggesting CTC wouldn't treat potential cadets in the same way, but I do wonder why this mixup hasn't happened with their application process.
Really sorry for the folks who've been impacted by this, as others have said keep your chins up and use this set back as motivation to prove EZY and OAA wrong. Good luck...
Really sorry for the folks who've been impacted by this, as others have said keep your chins up and use this set back as motivation to prove EZY and OAA wrong. Good luck...
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Feel sorry for you guys, what you have experienced is bad. I can assure you that your anger has been shared by other similar incidents involving such companies.
You may not think it now but it may be a blessing in disguise as you have been made inherently aware of exactly what these type of organisations are like before you have parted with any money. Once you have started a course you are just a number and any guarantees can be changed at any point in your training.
Ctc and Oxford (and in a different way easyJet) are ruthless businesses. Their sole concern is profit. A lot of time is spent marketing and selling courses, with very vague promises of employment at the end as all these companies are interested in is getting numbers of people in and therefore cash. If you happen to make it to the end successfully and there are jobs available then you are attractive to Ctc/Oxford as they can earn more cash from you in the form of flexi crew or a sell on fee to easyJet. Any guarantees are paper thin, even on an MPL and can/will be changed if the company decides to, before, during or after your training.
If you accept a course, in any form with CTC/Oxford you should do so knowing the risks, accept that the company are how they are and just keep your head down and complete the course without your distain for the company affecting your performance too much.
If you can do that then it is highly likely you will get a job in the right hand seat of a Jet, start paying off your loan and after a year on flexi crew you can start to forget all about Oxford/CTC.
Best of luck in any future applications.
You may not think it now but it may be a blessing in disguise as you have been made inherently aware of exactly what these type of organisations are like before you have parted with any money. Once you have started a course you are just a number and any guarantees can be changed at any point in your training.
Ctc and Oxford (and in a different way easyJet) are ruthless businesses. Their sole concern is profit. A lot of time is spent marketing and selling courses, with very vague promises of employment at the end as all these companies are interested in is getting numbers of people in and therefore cash. If you happen to make it to the end successfully and there are jobs available then you are attractive to Ctc/Oxford as they can earn more cash from you in the form of flexi crew or a sell on fee to easyJet. Any guarantees are paper thin, even on an MPL and can/will be changed if the company decides to, before, during or after your training.
If you accept a course, in any form with CTC/Oxford you should do so knowing the risks, accept that the company are how they are and just keep your head down and complete the course without your distain for the company affecting your performance too much.
If you can do that then it is highly likely you will get a job in the right hand seat of a Jet, start paying off your loan and after a year on flexi crew you can start to forget all about Oxford/CTC.
Best of luck in any future applications.
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Yeah and have fun paying for your type rating at Ryanair! OR flying those old planes around at Jet2! Or even getting a job to be honest because in all honesty, CTC and OAA have the best links when it comes to getting a job with an airline after training.
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Something similar to what's mentioned above happened at CTC. Especially with the Route 4 candidates, where some of them passed day 1, others passed day 1 and 2 but in the end CTC just said the program was on hold until further notice and they just didn't have starting dates available. For those specific applicants, CTC offered a chance to those who had already been assessed to do their "whitetail" AQC and then get placed in the database until an interview comes up for some partner airline.
The whole thing was stopped by easyJet because they don't have enough line trainers available during the summer season to get everyone checked out and released to normal flying duties after induction period. Later on, mid-march some of the applicants who had been assessed but put on hold, received starting dates for september this year.
I've never been to OAA but I can't complain at all about CTC and/or easyJet not standing by what they said from day 1 in my case. I was accepted in the easyjet route 4 program (AQC + TR), completed my AQC and have my type rating and induction scheduled for this spring.
The whole thing was stopped by easyJet because they don't have enough line trainers available during the summer season to get everyone checked out and released to normal flying duties after induction period. Later on, mid-march some of the applicants who had been assessed but put on hold, received starting dates for september this year.
I've never been to OAA but I can't complain at all about CTC and/or easyJet not standing by what they said from day 1 in my case. I was accepted in the easyjet route 4 program (AQC + TR), completed my AQC and have my type rating and induction scheduled for this spring.
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I was interviewed by an easyJet pilot and my group assessment was witnessed and graded by an easyJet pilot and an easyJet pilot recruitment member.
My phase 2 ADAPT, maths and physics etc were all compared against the easyJet standard and passed based on reaching that.
How can you say OAA were wrong to send me an email saying I passed the generation easyJet assessment when it was easyJet themselves that graded me (particularly at the final phase) and they were the ones who told OAA that we had passed?
It was not OAA's call to say who passed phase 3 as you correctly say, and OAA didn't make that call. We had to wait a number of weeks after our assessment to receive that "congratulations" email ... that wait was OAA waiting for easyJet to give their decision.
This is easyJet.
And Andy you made a good point about integrity. I won't be applying to easyJet again because of how they have behaved. I know they will not care, but as a personal thing I am not working for people who think it's OK to mess around innocent applicants in this manner - it is nothing short of a disgrace.
Plenty of other chances out there for more humane recruiters.
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Officer Kite,
What makes you think there are 'more humane recruiters' out there? Airlines move the goalposts to suit their own requirements. I know you are disappointed, however, don't take it personally. It won't be personal. Take it on the chin and move on. Apply to other airlines and use your experience positively. Good luck for the future.
What makes you think there are 'more humane recruiters' out there? Airlines move the goalposts to suit their own requirements. I know you are disappointed, however, don't take it personally. It won't be personal. Take it on the chin and move on. Apply to other airlines and use your experience positively. Good luck for the future.