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Old 9th May 2021, 19:59
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being in cargo is the place to be these days. You’ll find the reality in European short and long haul flying punters around is indeed much more bleak. To be honest I very much doubt we’ve seen the last default as this summer is looking to be another disaster for us.
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Old 9th May 2021, 20:06
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In my country, the average age of Covid cases dropped to 41. That means the vaccine is working, and gives me reason to believe that by this time next year we will back to normality.
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Old 9th May 2021, 20:10
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My idea of reasonable pay is different to yours, as it will be different to Bannatyne joes reasonable level of pay is something that compensates the role of the job, you maybe not leave wizz at the moment, but come September October there will be places to go believe me.
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Old 9th May 2021, 20:12
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there’s every reason to believe next year will be at least back to some sort of normality. I can only hope enough people sign up for the vaccine but that’s a different discussion all together. The big question is if companies will survive another year without income. It’s clear Af, Lh and certain other flag carriers will be supported by the states. That leaves the question where that leaves the rest of us..
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to be wrong about this and see a thriving industry come out of this.
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Old 9th May 2021, 20:16
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Modular Halil

I’m not in Wizz and been lucky enough to never work for that kind of an outfit. Yes there’s a load of luck involved in this industry..
Where do you think people will go after the summer then? I always have an eye on the market and it is completely dead at the moment. Even China!
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Old 10th May 2021, 15:43
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We must all defend against the rush to the bottom and agreeing to fly for awful T’s and C’s. Ryanair have 500 cadets about to be trained in the U.K. to do what ? And while they are in the sim/aircraft what are the already “employed” Ryanair guys doing ?
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Old 10th May 2021, 16:09
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The race to the bottom has already passed the finish line , and is still running.
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Old 10th May 2021, 18:36
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I think Vardi and O’Leary might have a competition going on who can be the biggest in low-cost. Not sure who’s winning..🤔 didn’t the Ryanair pilots agree on a 4 year reduction deal to retain jobs? How does that go hand I hand with hiring new cadets?
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Old 11th May 2021, 13:47
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Good question. You would expect that in exchange for the 4 year wage freeze they would have negotiated, collectively, that for those 4 years no new cadets would be hired, or only once each and every crew member would be flying a full roster.
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Old 13th May 2021, 11:23
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Yeah same time must be better to go for what’s available instead of waiting for something like a pan European thing that may never happen. Easy to end up like the guy sitting under the coconut tree on a deserted island waiting for a daring rescue that may never happen going for that option. Always heavy to think about these things but all in all should be far easier today considering the provisions are already there in contrast to earlier where they had to cut out the provisions for the first time. In the end, it boils down to common sense and not doing silly things considering the cut throat cost-cutting climate in place.
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Old 13th May 2021, 12:14
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Union is difficult when you have different languages, cultures, salary needs, living costs and contracts. Big Europe plays into the hands of greedy business men with global ambitions. The lowest common denominator becomes the benchmark. There are many advantages of the EU but this is one of the downsides of the EU, time to admit it.
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Old 14th May 2021, 05:26
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With the ever increasing involvement on the Italian market are there any news regarding ANPAC talks with Wizz or it's pilot's? I know this may be far fetched and we are in a middle of a pandemic but back in 2018 they've managed to get a CLA for Ryanair pilots as well.
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Old 14th May 2021, 05:33
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​​​​​​I have no idea however absolutely nothing is happening in the UK: both wzz and BALPA are pretending that the other party doesn't exist.

Mind you BALPA is closing it's eye on VA's recent seasonal contracts as well...

Post-covid aviation/employment scene is going to look nothing like before and I'm afraid it's not going to be for the better.
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Old 14th May 2021, 08:47
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booze, ANPAC or any other italian union can’t do nothing without subscribers , and as soon they realize that someone is dealing with union , well you know , bad apple good apple came into play.
They should sign in mass an let the company discover it the next day .
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Old 14th May 2021, 10:56
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Well, you can't help them if they are not willing to help themselves.
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Old 14th May 2021, 16:46
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I have personally seen recently cabin crew and pilot unions in Italy "targeting" wizzair crews in front of the terminal, offering help, even anonimously. One hour later the Wizz base manager was there, and everybody was terrified to even get close.
Less than a week later the big guns from Budapest came to base for a "friendly" meeting as well.
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Old 14th May 2021, 16:56
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I heard any airline based in Italy now has to employ their crews on local contracts. Surely that means union involvement so what’s the deal with Wizz? They have to sort it out somehow. Will be interesting to follow on the sidelines as any sort of fair competition in Italy will be impossible if they’re allowed to circumvent it.
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Old 14th May 2021, 18:00
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They already have a local contract, since they opened their bases there. Like they do in every country they operate from. If you want an agency contract that's always been a choice of the pilot. No need for union though, it's a take it or leave it deal. And they can and will change it anytime they want, at their sole discrection.

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Old 14th May 2021, 18:26
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Okay. I see why they’re desperate to keep out Anpac. Both Ezy and Ryan are unionised with good conditions. Difficult to argue why Wizz shouldn’t be able to offer the same. But yes it requires the employees to collectively but their feet down..
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Old 28th May 2021, 21:23
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So long, Norway!
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