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Old 18th Nov 2014, 14:29
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Ageist RyanAir/CAE - Equality Act Discrimination

RYANAIR - AGE Equality Act Discrimination - CAE Employee Reveals All By Email


Probably the Hottest topic at the moment is the number of applications that are being overlooked by CAE for Ryanair simply based on the AGE of the applicants.

Ryanair announced earlier this year that they required over 1000 new cadets and have actively ignored experienced and older pilots favoring young cadets.
"We have now been emailed by a CAE Employee confirming inside information regarding AGE Discrimination and No New Irish Pilots"

A recent number of tests have been carried out confirming altering the (DOB field - that is also none compliant) to prove CAE/Ryanair will then call the cadet.
Other tests have shown applications that have been completed just 6 months ago are being replaced by new recent applications.

We are gathering more information to add to our current research and this will all be presented to Acas
Equality human rights , GOV.UK, Government Equalities Office and the National Press within the next 30 days - Lets see how many +35yr old cadets and Irish pilots they can prove they've successfully interviewed in the latest recruitment drive.....!!!!!!!!!

This is not the first time Ryanair have been fined for similar conduct - Ryanair fined £8,000 for ageist ad - Independent.ie

Please tell us your story in total confidentiality your name will never be disclosed at [email protected] - >>>>> "38" stories received so far Thankyou - Keep them coming Please

We are going to put a stop to it for good.

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Old 19th Nov 2014, 21:22
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Could you highlight the fact also please that they refuse to recruit irish pilots.
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WH I think any alleged anti irishness will be impossible to legitimately present. I know an irish ryr cpt and he says it's nonsense and simply not true, if it is indeed brought up with the relevant authorities there will be more than enough irish guys to testify against any allegations.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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Old 20th Nov 2014, 00:47
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WH I think any alleged anti irishness will be impossible to legitimately present. I know an irish ryr cpt and he says it's nonsense and simply not true, if it is indeed brought up with the relevant authorities there will be more than enough irish guys to testify against any allegations.
Obviously clueless as to what is going on in his own company then if he believes that. A base Captain confirmed it previously. I would imagine like most Irish pilots in RYR this capt you spoke to was trying to avoid being caught on record making waves. It's not supposed to be a great place to be Irish at the moment. That is why so many Irish pilots are going to Norwegian and FlyDubai.

It is now a well established fact that RYR do not hire Irish pilots and it has been for almost 2 years. In that time there have been no Irish recruits bar rumours of some experienced instructors who knew people and had 1000+ hours and at that they would number on one hand.

Simtech aviation are hosting RYR sim assessments and somebody there confirmed that not a single Irish candidate has been seen there.

I have posted before with regards this issue and since there have been more incidents. I know that there is a pool of over 100 Irish nationals who have applied and heard not a dickiebird while UK and other EU nationals have applied and got automatic response within a few days for their CV and details to be sent away by CAE to RYR. It's well beyond coincidence at this stage!
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Old 20th Nov 2014, 06:32
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There were several over the age of 30 in my assessment, and in other assessments I know of as well. So it doesn't seem to be highly enforced if that's the case.
Also, I know many people will lots of hours (500-3000) who have been called for cadet assessment.. Including myself.
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Old 20th Nov 2014, 09:41
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PeppyJeppy, trust me when I say this guy is not "clueless". He has been there since 2005 and has been captain for a good few years now. He is actually quite involved with the company, the one thing he did tell me is that he would not leave Ryanair for the world.
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It seems like the other thread on this has somehow disappeared in the last day, but it was an interesting read from what I remember!
All the ifs and buts on pprune, hey chico/dude, this is a rumour network with plenty of €rap on it, and then nuggets of gold too, and all the other rubbish in between - do you really think what 'someone' says on here is true and credible... yes some is, but as educated folk (some less than others) you have to decipher your own thoughts on airlines/operators from their track record as a whole.
We all know that FR has now become an upright and moral company in wake of some upsets to their business model, and I am glad that they 'finally' came around of their own free will to lesson the burden of SLF, it really was commendable of them as I am sure that deep down the customer has always been king. Ya know, the way the orange airline treats the public.

I really do think that the non assessment of Irish and people over 30 is biased and unproven to a certain extend (you need official stats for this)... but as I saw in a previous post, it is easy for the company to bypass this alleged situation by simply, and I hope they would never do this, but by simply inviting 'everyone' to the assessment to 'please' and 'appease' those of you who are sucked into this frame of mind.
Imagine this, and it's not impossible to imagine...
All creeds (Irish, Greek, African, Mongolian, etc.) of all shapes and sizes and yes... all age groups too (20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s) can potentially in future get an assessment (if not already the case) for a handsome fee! Now that is the way forward.

I also believe (may be rumours) they do not give a 'reason' why you were unsuccessful at the assessment..., so all of you who 'think' that FR are not assessing 30s and Irish, just go along to the assessment day, and then wait and see of the outcome, hopefully you will be successful!
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PeppyJeppy, trust me when I say this guy is not "clueless". He has been there since 2005 and has been captain for a good few years now. He is actually quite involved with the company, the one thing he did tell me is that he would not leave Ryanair for the world.
I said if he believed there was no Irish ban he was clueless. My guess as I said in my previous post is that like most Capts in RYR who have a decent niche he is looking to avoid being caught on record saying anything negative about the company and is in effect towing the party line.

It is of course impossible to get any hard stats on the non hiring of Irish pilots and it would be denied if put to RYR however like I said I know of a pool of 100+ Irish who have all applied and heard nothing at all from CAE. Compare that to 20-30 Brits/EU nationals who ALL got at the very least the CAE CV request and it paints a picture. This is with very similar hours/experience etc for the most part and in some cases the Irish had far more.
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What Ryanair does is simple. They want inexperienced cadets so that they can build on the fundamentals and form their pilots experience right from the beginning.. With more than 3000 pilots and expanding rapidly in the next years they need homogeneity and their way of dealing with that is an enormous amount of SOP's... Guess who 's easier to handle, you, or that 200h guy?
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Well, the rule doesn't seem to be definite, as I am pushing 30, my friend is over 30, and so is some acquaintances of mine. And we all have 1000-3000 hours (2600 myself). We all got hired.

I don't know about Irish people, as I have know clue whatsoever what the percentages are.

I'm not sure if they started hiring people with high hours to get quick captain upgrades or not?
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CAE Assessment Team - Given the opportunity to comment

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We have received over 40 stories from pilots so far proving CAE are actively/continually ignoring updated pilot applications for pilots aged over 35yrs, ???

These pilots are all willing to make statements as we take this forward.

We would like to here CAE's/Ryanair's comments ???
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Old 13th Oct 2015, 22:44
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I know enough people 30+, some 40+ who recently got a job at Ryanair. My theory is simply that they are overwhelmed with applications.
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