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Flying apprentice, I had the same 'approach' when the apprentice positions came about. By the time I found a bit of time to sit down and put together a decent revised cover/cv and the like, the job had gone.
Do not waste your time! The application only asks for cv and cover and then the usual equal opportunities / right to work stuff and that's it. It's not as in depth as the FO application or the Ryanair one. It'll take you a matter of minutes!
Do not waste your time! The application only asks for cv and cover and then the usual equal opportunities / right to work stuff and that's it. It's not as in depth as the FO application or the Ryanair one. It'll take you a matter of minutes!
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flying apprentice,
benish is absolutely on the money here. I currently fall into the "experienced captain" recruitment category and am happy with the job I am in, with no plans to move on. However, my current CV and covering letter are regularly updated and my logbook is current moments after I shut my engines down. All are uploaded to a Dropbox file, just in case I have remote need of them.
Just in case.
This is an absolutely ruthless industry, and if you take a "I'll sort it out when I can" attitude, you will be usurped by more motivated and organised individuals more suited to playing the recruitment game.
benish is absolutely on the money here. I currently fall into the "experienced captain" recruitment category and am happy with the job I am in, with no plans to move on. However, my current CV and covering letter are regularly updated and my logbook is current moments after I shut my engines down. All are uploaded to a Dropbox file, just in case I have remote need of them.
Just in case.
This is an absolutely ruthless industry, and if you take a "I'll sort it out when I can" attitude, you will be usurped by more motivated and organised individuals more suited to playing the recruitment game.
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The application only asks for cv and cover and then the usual equal opportunities / right to work stuff and that's it
Anyone else think it's a little odd not to have any aviation related questions in the initial application? Just a CV and Cover letter?
It means someone has to read every single cover letter and cv (of which I assume there will be hundreds) to match whatever criteria they're looking for.
Taking key information (e.g total hours, P1 hours in the past 6 months etc) at the initial application stage would seem to be the norm and allow filtering of candidates down to a manageable number of applications to review, without having to read every single CV.
Would you rather read 700 CVs only to find 650 havent kept current, or just go straight to the 50 who have actually kept current based on the hours they entered on the application?
Seems odd.....
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Or they will invite the 700 to complete the Compass Tests and they'll be left with around 10 hotshots who can actually do well in these tests...
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I found this interesting read online today: from Jet Flight Training....
With the boom in low cost air travel, many airlines have changed the way that they train and recruit new Pilots.
In an effort to cut costs many airlines are no longer prepared to train low hours less experienced pilots on their Jet aircraft. Many airlines now deem pilots at this level as a ‘Training Risk’ this is because pilots with low hours or new starters have no previous training history other than that of their respective FTO’s.
This creates a Catch 22 situation as one needs a way to gain that vital experience which in turn will enable them to prove themselves to the airlines.
Completing a Self Sponsored Type Rating (SSTR) is one way to prove to the airlines that you have what it takes to fly a medium or heavy jet.
It really does seem that if you are a fresh NTR cadet with around 250 hours TT that this is the only way to get into the cockpit. Shame really!
With the boom in low cost air travel, many airlines have changed the way that they train and recruit new Pilots.
In an effort to cut costs many airlines are no longer prepared to train low hours less experienced pilots on their Jet aircraft. Many airlines now deem pilots at this level as a ‘Training Risk’ this is because pilots with low hours or new starters have no previous training history other than that of their respective FTO’s.
This creates a Catch 22 situation as one needs a way to gain that vital experience which in turn will enable them to prove themselves to the airlines.
Completing a Self Sponsored Type Rating (SSTR) is one way to prove to the airlines that you have what it takes to fly a medium or heavy jet.
It really does seem that if you are a fresh NTR cadet with around 250 hours TT that this is the only way to get into the cockpit. Shame really!
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Erm thanks for posting Planefan2981 but...
(A) This doesn't really have anything to do with this thread (ab initio recruitment specifically for for non-TR pilots)
(B) Your 'online read' has clearly been written by Jet Flight Training, who are TR training providers and is complete nonsense. It's just transparent sales talk trying to tempt you to do a self-funded type rating.
I have NEVER heard any professional recruiting captains call new pilots a 'training risk'. What better testmonial can you get other than a training report from your FTO stating that you successfully complete your CPL ME IR???
Head of EJ recruitment HAS openly said they will turn away any self-funded type rating if it comes with anything less than 500 hours on type. Try telling that to 'Jet Flight Training' and see what cr@p they come up with next.
Stick to the thread please.
(A) This doesn't really have anything to do with this thread (ab initio recruitment specifically for for non-TR pilots)
(B) Your 'online read' has clearly been written by Jet Flight Training, who are TR training providers and is complete nonsense. It's just transparent sales talk trying to tempt you to do a self-funded type rating.
I have NEVER heard any professional recruiting captains call new pilots a 'training risk'. What better testmonial can you get other than a training report from your FTO stating that you successfully complete your CPL ME IR???
Head of EJ recruitment HAS openly said they will turn away any self-funded type rating if it comes with anything less than 500 hours on type. Try telling that to 'Jet Flight Training' and see what cr@p they come up with next.
Stick to the thread please.
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Problem with radio button on application.
Anyone have issue with the following question not "remembering" your input:
*Do you have the right to work in the country where this role is based?
When I go back the radio button I selected is no longer selected. Is this a browser issue, or is everyone seeing this?
*Do you have the right to work in the country where this role is based?
When I go back the radio button I selected is no longer selected. Is this a browser issue, or is everyone seeing this?
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I applied to for the first officer position approx 6 weeks ago and had a reply saying l could expect a call to arrange a phone interview within 4 weeks. But heard nothing as yet.
Has anyone had the same and had the call yet? Ive checked on line and my application status says open.
Has anyone had the same and had the call yet? Ive checked on line and my application status says open.
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I think your right! At least no more can be added!!Imagine everyone with a F/ATPL low hours has applied!! So I don't know what criteria they are looking for?!
I think your right! At least no more can be added!!Imagine everyone with a F/ATPL low hours has applied!! So I don't know what criteria they are looking for?!
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I'm sure there were way more than expected. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were more than 3000 applicants.
The next stage will be interesting though that's for sure. How do you go through that many CV's? As the application process was so simple I can only assume it will be an online test much like Aer Lingus as that would be easiest filter to eliminate ~2900 of those. This then leaves ~100 or so for CV checking and then choosing around ~50 for interview.
I wonder how many positions there are for cadets, 20 or so???
The next stage will be interesting though that's for sure. How do you go through that many CV's? As the application process was so simple I can only assume it will be an online test much like Aer Lingus as that would be easiest filter to eliminate ~2900 of those. This then leaves ~100 or so for CV checking and then choosing around ~50 for interview.
I wonder how many positions there are for cadets, 20 or so???
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Wow as few as that. I understand that jet2 will be looking for quite a few pilots for next year so that must be good news for all the experienced FO's out there looking to progress right?
If only it was the former !!
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You state 'less than 8 but less than 2'...
Is this information factual and reliable please?Hard to believe Jet 2 would create an avenue of training for just (possibly only 3-7) Pilots!
Unless this is fact I would respectfully suggest you don't post it, as it just demoralises many of us looking for a job!
You state 'less than 8 but less than 2'...
Is this information factual and reliable please?Hard to believe Jet 2 would create an avenue of training for just (possibly only 3-7) Pilots!
Unless this is fact I would respectfully suggest you don't post it, as it just demoralises many of us looking for a job!
I think with that level of attention to detail I won't be the one needing luck in the compass tests !
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