Ab-Initio Second Officer Jet2
 

The experience prerequisite to apply left me puzzled. I'm sure it states they are looking for "Ab-Initio Second Officer" yet they require you to have an ATPL. Nothing "Ab-Initio" about an ATPL.

pilotchute;

A valid point but not really that important.

A bit like noticing that a house you want to buy doesn't have matching curtains!

You need an EASA CPL/ME-IR/MCC/JOC/Class1 in order to apply. End of.

How long since a genuine opportunity like this has come along for low hour guys?

Fair play to them. They don't have to give us all a chance. Even if it is remote!

EK.

You need an EASA CPL/ME-IR/MCC/JOC/Class1 in order to apply. End of.

You seem to have missed the point. You need an A-T-P-L for this position.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that, whoever wrote the advert probably has a loose understanding of what an ATPL really is.

I understand that you need what is unofficially called a frozen (f) ATPL in order to apply.

The wording on the website is technically incorrect but there you go.

Tell them they're wrong at the interview if you like!

Interestingly your licence needs to be UK issued.

A rare bit of positive discrimination towards those who may be UK based?

I'm sorry EK4457, but unfortunately, the rare positive discrimination is extended to the EASA for you licences... and I agree for the frozen ATPL

Need to fund you own type rating, not much of an opportunity for most. If you apply you wont be competing with all the rest on your assessment day just the 1 or 2 with money.

Unless of course it bonded.

To be honest you just need to look at the numbers that apply to FR to know that there are plenty of people put there who are prepared to "self fund" the type rating. It goes without saying that there will be loads of applications for this and I would be assumed that if you turn up you have the money...that is how these applications work I guess...

Hi Leflan,

The advert clearly states that your EASA Licence needs to be UK issued.

Hi Teatowel,

This is as good as it gets AFAIK. If you have a plan to get an FO position with free type rating let me know your plan!

EK

Well if they can't differentiate between a CPL/IR, MCC +ATPL theory (fATPL) and a full ATPL I'm not sure I'd put much faith in the accuracy of the ad. Anyway it is very easy to convert to another European authority...to only hire UK licence holders would probably be against EU regs.

Probably is possible if you are good at networking/get lucky but I agree it is becoming the exception rather than the rule sadly...

Do jet2 have a preference where the JOC was completed?

Yeah I was wondering about the apprentices...I thought Jet2 was going to run that again this autumn. Are they doing this instead?

I should have added to my earlier post, does it matter how many hours a candidate did in the sim on their JOC.

I'm still betting that you need an ATPL. I doubt that Jet2 would make such a mistake on their pilot hiring webpage. The fact that the apprentices just went through not long ago would back that up.

Time will tell.

Why would they call a 1500hr pilot (ATPL requirement) an 'ab-initio' yet a 500hr pilot (TR/non-TR FO) a DEC/Non-DEC FO? It's a mistake. It's meant to say fATPL aka CPL/IR. I wouldn't read too much into that. The 'Second Officer' bit "would back that up."

What exactly will a 2nd officer do with them?
I realise on long haul that they are like a pilot monitoring or a relief pilot.
But jet2 don't exactly have any long haul flights warranting a relief pilot.

It is clearly a mistake...caused by the creation of the term 'Frozen' ATPL as a shorthand for CPL/IR, MCC and ATPL theory and the subsequent frequent yet incorrect interchangeable use of fATPL and ATPL.

As the post above says I don't think Jet2 in their right mind would on the one hand advertise non-TR 737 FOs requiring only 500hrs and right next to it SOs requiring 1500hrs.

NASA astronauts with minimum 100 days in orbit is what I heard. :)

Its simple really, call the position an SO and pay them half what they pay the FOs.

I hope the recent apprentices make the guys literally passing them out by paying as unwelcome as possible too.

This is the clearest example of two equally qualified pilot candidates both on paper and in person.......one has money the other doesn't, guess which one started pushing paper and which started flying the line?