Ab-Initio Second Officer Jet2
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Read between the lines.
ATPL would mean you need 500 hours multi crew? Well you can get that on a beat up old J31 or a Metroliner. You don't need a JOC to fly one of those so a JOC is asked for. MCC? I'm not sure about that one.
So what the ad is asking for in a roundabout sort of way is someone with 500 hours multi crew (not specifically a jet) and a JOC. That doesn't sound like an entry level job.
Qatar Airways "Second Officer" still required 2000 hours I think but no jet time so maybe its similar?
Fast forward 10 minutes.
I have just done the unthinkable and emailed Jet2 for clarification of the minimum requirements for the Second Officer position. Hopefully I get an answer this year.
Regarding what TT said I think he is right. It will be massively over subscribed with Jet experienced people applying. Lots of people leave the UK to chase the "Big shiny jet" but when they finally get it, a lot just want to go home. This becomes evident when 330, 777, 737 etc Capt's and FO's are applying for entry level positions at many airlines in the UK. What hope does even a 2000 hour guy with 1000 hours 320/737 have when someone from the Middle East with double or triple that experience applies for the same job. Many of them have narrow/widebody command.
ATPL would mean you need 500 hours multi crew? Well you can get that on a beat up old J31 or a Metroliner. You don't need a JOC to fly one of those so a JOC is asked for. MCC? I'm not sure about that one.
So what the ad is asking for in a roundabout sort of way is someone with 500 hours multi crew (not specifically a jet) and a JOC. That doesn't sound like an entry level job.
Qatar Airways "Second Officer" still required 2000 hours I think but no jet time so maybe its similar?
Fast forward 10 minutes.
I have just done the unthinkable and emailed Jet2 for clarification of the minimum requirements for the Second Officer position. Hopefully I get an answer this year.
Regarding what TT said I think he is right. It will be massively over subscribed with Jet experienced people applying. Lots of people leave the UK to chase the "Big shiny jet" but when they finally get it, a lot just want to go home. This becomes evident when 330, 777, 737 etc Capt's and FO's are applying for entry level positions at many airlines in the UK. What hope does even a 2000 hour guy with 1000 hours 320/737 have when someone from the Middle East with double or triple that experience applies for the same job. Many of them have narrow/widebody command.
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I think you're mistaken pilot-chute. They already have adverts out for non type rated B737 FO's requiring min 500 hrs commercial aircraft experience (prop or jet) for the experienced folk out there.
Ab-initio is exactly that. Fresh out of flying school with 200 hours and no airline experience.
It's a fairly well known fact that they are in the process of setting up their own sim facilities and TRTO to ultimately do type ratings in house.
The requirement to have a UK issue EASA license/medical to apply is not unique to this advertised role. I believe airline instructors/examiners with a UK license can only sign other UK issued EASA licenses under the new rules.
Ab-initio is exactly that. Fresh out of flying school with 200 hours and no airline experience.
It's a fairly well known fact that they are in the process of setting up their own sim facilities and TRTO to ultimately do type ratings in house.
The requirement to have a UK issue EASA license/medical to apply is not unique to this advertised role. I believe airline instructors/examiners with a UK license can only sign other UK issued EASA licenses under the new rules.
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Well you can get that on a beat up old J31 or a Metroliner.
.And PC, you're just wrong but you wont listen. You'd be brilliant in the flight deck!
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Dan,
I am probably wrong but there is slight chance I could be on the money. Nothing wrong with a little healthy scepticism!
I just find it curious that everyone else here is positive that it must be a mistake. I would think that a company such as Jet2 would be a little more pro active in vetting a job advert before it went online.
But as stated I did email them for a clarification and I will let everyone know the outcome. I am standing by with humble pie.
I am probably wrong but there is slight chance I could be on the money. Nothing wrong with a little healthy scepticism!
I just find it curious that everyone else here is positive that it must be a mistake. I would think that a company such as Jet2 would be a little more pro active in vetting a job advert before it went online.
But as stated I did email them for a clarification and I will let everyone know the outcome. I am standing by with humble pie.
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Never mind all this talk of eating humble pie which is just making me feel hungry. Does no one have any idea of the JOC requirements. Jet2 are proving difficult to get hold of to get an answer.
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The advert was 99% positively written by some no mark in HR in exactly the same way that as of late J2 have had a very HR biased recruitment procedure . HR is like most companies , so far removed from the jobs for which they are involved in recruiting people for that they wont have a clue regarding fatpl/atpl etc . The compass test tells you this , they have recently turned down pilots with thousands of hours flying 73 cos they didn't do to well on compass test .This is what you are dealing with .
ATPL is not what is required it a Cpl/ir pure and simple , remember there is no such thing as a fatpl , as stated above it is just an accepted use of shorthand for the Cpl/ir
ATPL is not what is required it a Cpl/ir pure and simple , remember there is no such thing as a fatpl , as stated above it is just an accepted use of shorthand for the Cpl/ir
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Stuff like compass tests is just about whittling down the enormous numbers to a manageable size, it shouldn't be the deciding factor. I have no idea of course in Jet2 but it's a useful tool in understanding someones mental agility but fairly crap in demonstrating that the person is easy to get along with and has the right work ethic, which ought to be a deciding factor.
You can train nice people to be decent pilots, you cannot train arr-soles to be nice.
You can train nice people to be decent pilots, you cannot train arr-soles to be nice
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I'm the same Jimmy.
Some of those maths q's in the compass tests are damn right hard! I also struggle with those timed tests where you work out how 3D shapes have changed, spatial reasoning I think!
I'm very likeable though, interview very well (I'm told) and Ill know ill work my arse off and have a great sim ride!
Some of those maths q's in the compass tests are damn right hard! I also struggle with those timed tests where you work out how 3D shapes have changed, spatial reasoning I think!
I'm very likeable though, interview very well (I'm told) and Ill know ill work my arse off and have a great sim ride!
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Are there many guys/girls here who have also applied to Jet2 as Non TR FO? For a frozen ATPL holder, I feel I have a much better chance as an ab-initio...its working out the finances which is most complicating! Good revision for any compass tests 
I just took a peek at the Compass Test sample questions on the www. Why some of the questions are of the slightest relevance to aviation I'll never know. Yet another reason why pilot recruitment should be tailored to the needs of a line pilot rather than entry to an A-Level maths course. 
As for the debate over fATPL vs ATPL: come on people, it's so obviously a typo that the HR departments must be sighing loudly and bashing their heads against the office wall.
And with regards the UK-issued licence requirement, Jet2 have taken loads of FR pilots recently, all of which had Irish licences. It's not an issue. Within JAA-land (or is it called EASA-land now?) conversion is just a matter of paperwork. My UK-issued CPL/MEIR was converted to IAA when I joined FR and subsequently BA certainly didn't mind that I applied to them with an Irish licence. Relax.
As for the debate over fATPL vs ATPL: come on people, it's so obviously a typo that the HR departments must be sighing loudly and bashing their heads against the office wall.
And with regards the UK-issued licence requirement, Jet2 have taken loads of FR pilots recently, all of which had Irish licences. It's not an issue. Within JAA-land (or is it called EASA-land now?) conversion is just a matter of paperwork. My UK-issued CPL/MEIR was converted to IAA when I joined FR and subsequently BA certainly didn't mind that I applied to them with an Irish licence. Relax.
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RYR Pilots?
Mike Hotel...
How many have they taken?If there are all these type rated 500+ hour around then why would Jet 2 need to create a self sponsored 2nd Officer type rating scheme?
I was and others I am sure, rather hoping they are short of people!!
How many have they taken?If there are all these type rated 500+ hour around then why would Jet 2 need to create a self sponsored 2nd Officer type rating scheme?
I was and others I am sure, rather hoping they are short of people!!
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closing date ??
flying apprentice....
Why does that matter.If you are interested you should have already applied! This doesn't come along too often.Just drop everything and fill out the form!!
Why does that matter.If you are interested you should have already applied! This doesn't come along too often.Just drop everything and fill out the form!!
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i'd love to drop everything and get on the application, but I work shifts so when I'm next home, the first thing I'll do is go over my log book, get my CV updated, and cover letter sent.
The reason I asked, is to check if it will still be available then.
The reason I asked, is to check if it will still be available then.
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Jimmy I still haven't heard back from Jet2 for the Non type rated 737 first officer application, which I applied for at the beginning of July, so I'm guessing this ab-initio process could take the same amount of time?
What do you reckon?
What do you reckon?