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Do you have any written evidence of this? (eg. website/URL)
Would it then count as 2 attempts if for example you failed at stage 1 the first year and failed at stage 3 the second year?
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Nathan, you wouldn't hold a full ATPL until something like 1500 hours flying time down the line. Even if applying at 18, it'll take you more than 3 years to achieve that when you take into account the duration of the application process (roughly 5 months), the wait to commence training (likely anything from 6 to 15 months, going by this year's stats), the training itself (say 16 to 18 months, including type rating) then working full time on the line with a maximum of 900 hours per year. No way you'd reach that point before age 21, so nothing to worry about.
Edit: beaten to it by G-FORC3
Edit: beaten to it by G-FORC3
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Berksflyer,
First of all, You wanna know what's really useful ?, Knowing that the £12,000 you speak of is not something you will be taking home as it will be going straight back to the bank. Had you properly read the site you will know the 12k IS NOT EXTRA FLY PAY !!!
Secondly. I don't know what site you've been reading but it certainly ain't the correct one as that clearly states "a further £8-£10,000 of flying allowances typically being earned in a full year of flying (please note that these allowances are not guaranteed and are subject to levels and type of flying completed)".
I would like to emphasise on the bracketed stuff as it basically says that the extra allowance is subject to availability and even then it may only be a few thousand pound extra. Which obviously falls right into place with what the fpp cadet said today as the year 1 basic salary is £22,700, add a few k (for all we know they may have already been told they will only receive a few thousand extra) and then you can safely say you will earn around £25,000. By the way I think someone who is actually nearing the end of their fpp training will be slightly more informed than you.
Lastly, what part of my last post led you to believe I was talking about the salary of the first 6 years of work in order for you to point out an irrelevant yearly pay rise of 5,000, I clearly said "£25,000 STARTING SALARY".
Good God, talk about the importance of knowing "the facts prior to commenting in a public place".
First of all, You wanna know what's really useful ?, Knowing that the £12,000 you speak of is not something you will be taking home as it will be going straight back to the bank. Had you properly read the site you will know the 12k IS NOT EXTRA FLY PAY !!!
Secondly. I don't know what site you've been reading but it certainly ain't the correct one as that clearly states "a further £8-£10,000 of flying allowances typically being earned in a full year of flying (please note that these allowances are not guaranteed and are subject to levels and type of flying completed)".
I would like to emphasise on the bracketed stuff as it basically says that the extra allowance is subject to availability and even then it may only be a few thousand pound extra. Which obviously falls right into place with what the fpp cadet said today as the year 1 basic salary is £22,700, add a few k (for all we know they may have already been told they will only receive a few thousand extra) and then you can safely say you will earn around £25,000. By the way I think someone who is actually nearing the end of their fpp training will be slightly more informed than you.
Lastly, what part of my last post led you to believe I was talking about the salary of the first 6 years of work in order for you to point out an irrelevant yearly pay rise of 5,000, I clearly said "£25,000 STARTING SALARY".
Good God, talk about the importance of knowing "the facts prior to commenting in a public place".
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momo95,
The 12k a year over 7 years is the repayment of the flight training costs (security bond) - this is over and above the basic salary and flight pay. There is no reason this should be beyond the understanding of anybody who has done their research, it is all on the site.
I would avoid making assumptions, as they can often make one look a fool. I am on the scheme myself.
The 12k a year over 7 years is the repayment of the flight training costs (security bond) - this is over and above the basic salary and flight pay. There is no reason this should be beyond the understanding of anybody who has done their research, it is all on the site.
I would avoid making assumptions, as they can often make one look a fool. I am on the scheme myself.
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MaydayMaydayMayday, thank you for that information! I am at that difficult age when I will meet the 'age 18' requirement but, not the A Level requirements, as I am currently studying for them, so will hold fire and apply next year.
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I dont have any physical evidence on hand, but Lindsay Craig, the main pilot recruitment officer for the FPP , specifically stated that. Im not totally sure if he means that if you reach the final stage and fail it 3 times, or if you just fail it 3 times regardless of when you failed.
tonybhoy96
Absolutely no idea what proportion of the successful candidates were school leavers, but I do know that most of the ones who were successful were 22-23. I wouldnt let that put anyone off though,some of the graduates that were at the Flyer expedition were either in their 30s.
I would wholeheartedly recommend anyone to go to the Flyer expedition the next time it comes around, it was really helpful.
I dont have any physical evidence on hand, but Lindsay Craig, the main pilot recruitment officer for the FPP , specifically stated that. Im not totally sure if he means that if you reach the final stage and fail it 3 times, or if you just fail it 3 times regardless of when you failed.
tonybhoy96
Absolutely no idea what proportion of the successful candidates were school leavers, but I do know that most of the ones who were successful were 22-23. I wouldnt let that put anyone off though,some of the graduates that were at the Flyer expedition were either in their 30s.
I would wholeheartedly recommend anyone to go to the Flyer expedition the next time it comes around, it was really helpful.
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As per G-FORC3, as long as you meet the age requirements, you can apply. Besides, if you apply for this now and are successful, you are unlikely to get started with a job until 2016.
As per G-FORC3, as long as you meet the age requirements, you can apply. Besides, if you apply for this now and are successful, you are unlikely to get started with a job until 2016.
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Momo95, you can't really "safely say" anything about the take home pay, but £25k doesn't seem likely to be an accurate figure. What's really worth noting about the £12k bond repayment is that it's not taxed. As such, repaying a similar loan amount (assuming that's how the training was funded) would require a substantially higher pay with another employer to achieve the same take home pay, considering you'd be repaying it out of income which had already been taxed (which is what G-FORC3 was getting at). You're also only correct about the £12k going straight to the bank for those who are repaying a loan. For any cadets who managed to fund it independently (through savings or family or whatever) they'd still receive the £12k on top of their salary. Anyway, the figures are all there to interpret as you wish.
NathanJohnston, best of luck next year.
NathanJohnston, best of luck next year.
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This is where my difficulty / confusion lies. I meet every requirement bar A Level requirements although in a matter of months that will be sufficed? I flew solo a matter of days after my 16th birthday and then achieved my PPL the day after my 17th birthday? So would that not count for something in the form of a concession?
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I don't know what to say to you anymore. I said the 12,000 isn't extra flight pay (if you took a loan it's going back to the bank) and i state you get paid a basic salary aswell as a varying flight allowance. Now you seem to have great difficulty in understanding me on this ... "The £12,000 ... Is not extra flight pay". I then proceeded to mention the other parts of the wage pack.
Now I can not make it more easier for you to understand than this. You think I have some other idea.
And don't just reword the above if you reply. You seem to have struggled to understand a point made in the most basic and easy to understand sentences. Fool ? I think you'll find the word applies more to you. As for claiming to be on the programme, that just disturbs me deeply (if it is true).
Now I can not make it more easier for you to understand than this. You think I have some other idea.
And don't just reword the above if you reply. You seem to have struggled to understand a point made in the most basic and easy to understand sentences. Fool ? I think you'll find the word applies more to you. As for claiming to be on the programme, that just disturbs me deeply (if it is true).
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momo:
I think the £84k tax free bond repayment is kind of part of the pay anyway - even though you are correct in stating that it's going back to the bank/family. Had it not been part of the FPP for BA to repay that money then it'd be coming out of your salary (as it will for other guys who join other airlines). So to all intents and purposes, it's like extra pay as far as your month end bank balance is concerned.
That's significant.
I think the £84k tax free bond repayment is kind of part of the pay anyway - even though you are correct in stating that it's going back to the bank/family. Had it not been part of the FPP for BA to repay that money then it'd be coming out of your salary (as it will for other guys who join other airlines). So to all intents and purposes, it's like extra pay as far as your month end bank balance is concerned.
That's significant.
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Agreed Mayday. 
But at least the loan as part of the BA FPP is paid to the FTO in installments over the period of training, so interest won't be accrued for all of it all of the time. Still though - it's a lot.
But at least the loan as part of the BA FPP is paid to the FTO in installments over the period of training, so interest won't be accrued for all of it all of the time. Still though - it's a lot.
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British Airways Future Pilot Programme 2014
Since the last one isnt really relevant anymore, I felt it was time to start a new thread based on the upcoming recruitment window.
The website opened up yesterday for reading and the application window will open up on the 11th November for approx. 2 weeks, although they can close early if demand is exceptional.
For convenience, I have included the important links for all aspiring pilots (myself included) to look into before asking questions.
Future Pilot Programme - Future Pilot - Share your passion
You will need:
5 GCSEs at Grade C or above, including English Language, Mathematics and a Science (single or double award), excluding General Studies.
PLUS
either 3 A-Levels at Grades BBC or above, excluding General Studies and Critical thinking.
or an Honours Degree at 2:2 (or higher) or a pass (or above) in a higher degree such as MSc, MA, MPhil, DPhil, PhD, MBA.
Please note you must have achieved the entry qualifications at the point of application. We cannot accept predicted grades. If you have equivalent academic qualifications then you will be asked to provide a Letter of Comparability from UK NARIC before attending your first selection day. The Scottish educational qualification equivalents are detailed in the FAQ page.
Future Pilot Programme - Future Pilot ? Other Information and FAQs
Good luck!
The website opened up yesterday for reading and the application window will open up on the 11th November for approx. 2 weeks, although they can close early if demand is exceptional.
For convenience, I have included the important links for all aspiring pilots (myself included) to look into before asking questions.
Future Pilot Programme - Future Pilot - Share your passion
You will need:
5 GCSEs at Grade C or above, including English Language, Mathematics and a Science (single or double award), excluding General Studies.
PLUS
either 3 A-Levels at Grades BBC or above, excluding General Studies and Critical thinking.
or an Honours Degree at 2:2 (or higher) or a pass (or above) in a higher degree such as MSc, MA, MPhil, DPhil, PhD, MBA.
Please note you must have achieved the entry qualifications at the point of application. We cannot accept predicted grades. If you have equivalent academic qualifications then you will be asked to provide a Letter of Comparability from UK NARIC before attending your first selection day. The Scottish educational qualification equivalents are detailed in the FAQ page.
Future Pilot Programme - Future Pilot ? Other Information and FAQs
Good luck!
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I doubt he's paying £1000 to the bank from his salary as well as his bond repayments. That would be £2000 per month to the bank and only about £500 + flight allowances to live on. Doesn't seem sustainable, especially not in the south east of England.
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Having looked through that conversation, the £1000 he referred to was definitely the bond repayment over and above his salary, not that he was paying a grand out of his salary.
Because of likely repayment structure, there shouldn't really be any impact on salary until you've already taken a couple of steps up the pay scale. It would also depend on the size of any loan being repaid and the interest being applied to it. This will vary from cadet to cadet. Not that anyone should be divulging the specifics of their particular arrangement, the agreements are confidential and specific.
Because of likely repayment structure, there shouldn't really be any impact on salary until you've already taken a couple of steps up the pay scale. It would also depend on the size of any loan being repaid and the interest being applied to it. This will vary from cadet to cadet. Not that anyone should be divulging the specifics of their particular arrangement, the agreements are confidential and specific.