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"You will need:
For short haul vacancies you will have a current type rating and a minimum of 100 sectors or 500 hours experiance on a multi pilot aircraft with with MTOW more than 10 tonnes or more than 19 approved passengers"
Thanks BA, ya bunch of
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"You will need:
For short haul vacancies you will have a current type rating and a minimum of 100 sectors or 500 hours experiance on a multi pilot aircraft with with MTOW more than 10 tonnes or more than 19 approved passengers"
Thanks BA, ya bunch of
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I dont get your point. It says its a direct entry scheme for 'experienced' pilots. Theyre perfectly entitled to ask for experienced people only if they so wish. Its their train set.
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It was meant to be a light-hearted post, illustrating the hopelessness of the situation. It probably fell wide of the Mark MIKECR, because "This Forum is NOT for Job-hunting Experienced Pilots! ".
And don't worry. I am well aware no one is ever going to let me play with their train set. The message "
off, you aren't rich enough" came through loud and clear a long time ago. My licenses are long expired.As you can see I don't post that often anyway. I only posted this because I hadnt unsubscribed and BA sent me it as an e-mail alert. It only sums up everything I already know.
BA and others like them will never go back to hiring the brightest youngsters they can find. They certainly won't sponsor anyones fATPL training ever again, that is long gone. To my knowlegde they haven't funded anyones first TR since 2007, and now they want 500 hours so that anyone not getting into Ryan Air will be tempted into a p2f scam. They are exacerbating the problem.
Am I bitter? Well its hard to not care when you spent your life savings on a license many years ago and built 1000 hours experience only to have the goal posts moved. I mostly don't care. I get irked when I go on holiday and I hear Captain Bob Davis on the tannoy, introducing 19 y/o first officer Quentin Parker-Lloyd, who is undoubtedly a finer pilot than me. Here is Quentin. He came from Ryan Air.
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post6574359
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post6574364
If TRs and P2F experience is all that is important, its not why I wanted to be a pilot anyay.
And to BA. You get what you pay for.
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BA will be paying for the type ratings of these DEPs. They are looking for experienced pilots across an extremely broad range of aircraft, so I really do not understand why you have turned this into some sort of dig at BA saying they are supporting P2F. If anything the current recruitment manager at BA is strongly against P2F and paying for type-ratings.
As for not being interested in young talent, patience please. SSP may well re-open when there is training capacity in BA (they reduced BAFT capacity significantly post-2008 and are building resource again), and there are rumours of a cadet scheme starting soon.
BA will be paying for the type ratings of these DEPs. They are looking for experienced pilots across an extremely broad range of aircraft, so I really do not understand why you have turned this into some sort of dig at BA saying they are supporting P2F. If anything the current recruitment manager at BA is strongly against P2F and paying for type-ratings.
As for not being interested in young talent, patience please. SSP may well re-open when there is training capacity in BA (they reduced BAFT capacity significantly post-2008 and are building resource again), and there are rumours of a cadet scheme starting soon.
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Undoubtedly, those young folk who got into the fully sponsored BA schemes of yesteryear, were both talented, and lucky beyond their wildest dreams. The couple of them that I know, are also possessed of a calm disposition and an outlook on life which seems to be 180 degrees opposite to yours.
But the illusion that some people are clearly under, that BA owes first-job-seekers some kind of a break, or even should have a moral obligation to train cadets, is nothing short of bizarre. They can indeed snap their fingers and they will get very large numbers of applications from very highly experienced pilots, with relevant time on type.
There certainly will, for example, be a great number of applications from pilots who lost their jobs in recent years with the collapses of XL / Globespan, and the redundancies that were made at Thomson and Virgin amongst others. A lot of them have been biding their time in the sandpit, or on contracts elsewhere in the world, and waiting for this exact opportunity.
There will also be plenty of ex services pilots, and the third group will be those who are already currently employed with UK airlines. Some will be from charter, some from other scheduled operators, and yes there will be even be some from the lo-co's.
And I'm sorry mate but every single one of them deserves their place in the queue ahead of you. As the previous poster pointed out you seem to be under some kind of illusion that successful pilots are all from rich backgrounds and somehow got given the money. The truth is that 99.9% of us borrowed the money and rolled the dice. I'm dead against P2F and buy-a-type-rating and ludicrously overpriced schools and pay-for-interview and shady marketing practice and I will slag off at anyone I find engaging in it, but BA have firmly resisted all those kind of practices while virtually all the rest of the industry has jumped on the band wagon in recent years, even previously-well-respected airlines like BMI. They could have done it and it would have added millions to their bottom line but they didn't.
However, the days of fully sponsored FATPL courses by flag carrier airlines are gone my friend and they aint coming back. BA in case you haven't noticed is under a shed load of financial pressure and if I was in charge and saw there was a fully funded cadet scheme I would tell the bean counters to get rid of it too, and only bring it back when I actually saw a shortfall of suitably licenced / qualified / experienced pilot applicants.
If you really do have 1000 hours and you gave up so close to achieving your goals, well that's sad to hear. Flying isn't about who's the best or the brightest or the richest even, it's about who wants it the most and is the last one standing when everyone else from their training course has given up in despair. Yes there will be people with less hours than you who get the break before you. Yes there will be people who pay to jump the queue. But if you would have stuck with it and kept making those connections and posting those CV's and getting every poxy hour you could, you would have got the golden phone call just when you least expected it.
But the illusion that some people are clearly under, that BA owes first-job-seekers some kind of a break, or even should have a moral obligation to train cadets, is nothing short of bizarre. They can indeed snap their fingers and they will get very large numbers of applications from very highly experienced pilots, with relevant time on type.
There certainly will, for example, be a great number of applications from pilots who lost their jobs in recent years with the collapses of XL / Globespan, and the redundancies that were made at Thomson and Virgin amongst others. A lot of them have been biding their time in the sandpit, or on contracts elsewhere in the world, and waiting for this exact opportunity.
There will also be plenty of ex services pilots, and the third group will be those who are already currently employed with UK airlines. Some will be from charter, some from other scheduled operators, and yes there will be even be some from the lo-co's.
And I'm sorry mate but every single one of them deserves their place in the queue ahead of you. As the previous poster pointed out you seem to be under some kind of illusion that successful pilots are all from rich backgrounds and somehow got given the money. The truth is that 99.9% of us borrowed the money and rolled the dice. I'm dead against P2F and buy-a-type-rating and ludicrously overpriced schools and pay-for-interview and shady marketing practice and I will slag off at anyone I find engaging in it, but BA have firmly resisted all those kind of practices while virtually all the rest of the industry has jumped on the band wagon in recent years, even previously-well-respected airlines like BMI. They could have done it and it would have added millions to their bottom line but they didn't.
However, the days of fully sponsored FATPL courses by flag carrier airlines are gone my friend and they aint coming back. BA in case you haven't noticed is under a shed load of financial pressure and if I was in charge and saw there was a fully funded cadet scheme I would tell the bean counters to get rid of it too, and only bring it back when I actually saw a shortfall of suitably licenced / qualified / experienced pilot applicants.
If you really do have 1000 hours and you gave up so close to achieving your goals, well that's sad to hear. Flying isn't about who's the best or the brightest or the richest even, it's about who wants it the most and is the last one standing when everyone else from their training course has given up in despair. Yes there will be people with less hours than you who get the break before you. Yes there will be people who pay to jump the queue. But if you would have stuck with it and kept making those connections and posting those CV's and getting every poxy hour you could, you would have got the golden phone call just when you least expected it.
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It doesn't say you need 500 hours. It says you need 100 sectors or 500 hours on a type of +10 tonnes. That's Hawker 800.
I think this is one of the most positive moves I have seen in the industry for years. Finally, a company recognises experience and isn't crazy in their demands.
I think this is one of the most positive moves I have seen in the industry for years. Finally, a company recognises experience and isn't crazy in their demands.
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I wasn't going to reply but being as you are so out of touch ... (For Mr Toddler)
Interesting that all these people with opinions aren't wannabes. You are all pilots with jobs. You are delighted to see offers that you qualify for, that exclude others. And that's ok. But that is undoubtedly going to alter your opinion on things. You and everyone you work with got in. Naturally you want the best for them. But make no mistake. This TR 500 hr request means they want low cost airline pilots, and low cost will go back to Quentin and Cuthbert.
As for borrowing money, since the collapse in 2008 that is not possible. Banks won't lend money for TRs without something to secure it on.
I have no problem with those who lost jobs gaining new ones ahead of me either. I have come to accept I will never get an opportunity. In 3 years not a single interview. It doesn't really matter what my personality is like if no one ever bothers to find out does it? Armchair psychologists on pprune looking down their noses, warmly congratulating themselves that they are indeed better than you. In the end you just stop caring what other people think.
But you are giving out the same thoughtless advice that many other pilots do. There is a woman on here that keeps telling people to go to Africa or the Pacific. It doesn't help. You waste years of your life and get no further ahead.
No one cares I have 1000 piston hours. It is worthless. I see people get jobs, who have never flown in more than a 15kt wind. Never flown abroad. Never landed on grass.
Everyone of them, TR self-paid for. And they were well behind me in the queue. I was training before they did their GCSEs. I'm financially excluded from the queue, but that's a misnomer. There is no queue. Queue suggests you wait in line and one day its your turn.
It is nothing to do with how much you want it. That is a heap of horse and is stupid advice to give.
Just because you may have wanted it and got in doesn't mean it works like that. Pilots all want to tell themselves they are special and there by merit alone. You were just lucky.
I have a degree in Aerospace Engineering. I spent 4 years working for airbus in the Flight Physics department as an engineer. I finally saved enough to train as a pilot. I spent 3 further years 'wanting' it. Flying all over Europe, giving instruction, testing aircraft for renewal for the CAA, ferrying, demoing, the list goes on. I met directors of airlines, the press, senior pilots. Despite what you think I don't come off as a jerk in real life. But none of them can help, because I can't afford a TR.
Why can't I afford a TR? Cos I spent the last 3 years d*cking around in small planes earning so little I couldn't even renew my licenses in the end + I lost my home. How much more should I have wanted it?
I still get offered jobs now. I have 3 this month despite hanging up my headset when my IR went pop several months ago. All SEP, all pay less that £13,000 a year. I am a 33 year old man now. It took that long to get to where I am, despite wanting no other career since I was a child. I'm not going to do that until I am 65, because people on here keep telling me to want it. I will never get a job, nor would I ever have a life.
Sadly wannabes won't listen to my post. Confirmation bias will ensure they skip straight past to the nonsense you wrote. That there must be something wrong with me, or a huge upturn is around the corner or that they are better pilots or whatever it takes to make them feel their dream will happen.
For 80% of us who get licenses though, it doesn't. And no amount of wanting it makes 5 go into 1.
Interesting that all these people with opinions aren't wannabes. You are all pilots with jobs. You are delighted to see offers that you qualify for, that exclude others. And that's ok. But that is undoubtedly going to alter your opinion on things. You and everyone you work with got in. Naturally you want the best for them. But make no mistake. This TR 500 hr request means they want low cost airline pilots, and low cost will go back to Quentin and Cuthbert.
As for borrowing money, since the collapse in 2008 that is not possible. Banks won't lend money for TRs without something to secure it on.
I have no problem with those who lost jobs gaining new ones ahead of me either. I have come to accept I will never get an opportunity. In 3 years not a single interview. It doesn't really matter what my personality is like if no one ever bothers to find out does it? Armchair psychologists on pprune looking down their noses, warmly congratulating themselves that they are indeed better than you. In the end you just stop caring what other people think.
But you are giving out the same thoughtless advice that many other pilots do. There is a woman on here that keeps telling people to go to Africa or the Pacific. It doesn't help. You waste years of your life and get no further ahead.
No one cares I have 1000 piston hours. It is worthless. I see people get jobs, who have never flown in more than a 15kt wind. Never flown abroad. Never landed on grass.
Everyone of them, TR self-paid for. And they were well behind me in the queue. I was training before they did their GCSEs. I'm financially excluded from the queue, but that's a misnomer. There is no queue. Queue suggests you wait in line and one day its your turn.
It is nothing to do with how much you want it. That is a heap of horse
and is stupid advice to give. Just because you may have wanted it and got in doesn't mean it works like that. Pilots all want to tell themselves they are special and there by merit alone. You were just lucky.
I have a degree in Aerospace Engineering. I spent 4 years working for airbus in the Flight Physics department as an engineer. I finally saved enough to train as a pilot. I spent 3 further years 'wanting' it. Flying all over Europe, giving instruction, testing aircraft for renewal for the CAA, ferrying, demoing, the list goes on. I met directors of airlines, the press, senior pilots. Despite what you think I don't come off as a jerk in real life. But none of them can help, because I can't afford a TR.
Why can't I afford a TR? Cos I spent the last 3 years d*cking around in small planes earning so little I couldn't even renew my licenses in the end + I lost my home. How much more should I have wanted it?
I still get offered jobs now. I have 3 this month despite hanging up my headset when my IR went pop several months ago. All SEP, all pay less that £13,000 a year. I am a 33 year old man now. It took that long to get to where I am, despite wanting no other career since I was a child. I'm not going to do that until I am 65, because people on here keep telling me to want it. I will never get a job, nor would I ever have a life.
Sadly wannabes won't listen to my post. Confirmation bias will ensure they skip straight past to the nonsense you wrote. That there must be something wrong with me, or a huge upturn is around the corner or that they are better pilots or whatever it takes to make them feel their dream will happen.
For 80% of us who get licenses though, it doesn't. And no amount of wanting it makes 5 go into 1.
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You've had a shot at me about telling folks to go to Africa etc. I only suggest it if it is possible. (age etc).
Do us "experienced" guys like what we see WRT "pay to play"? I and many others hate it, hence, the reason why I am so pleased to see BA open the doors. Why? It will open up opportunities for folks like yourself and for my colleagues that have been made redundant.
easyJet and Ryanair will not look at folks flying bizjets or even turboprops.
However, BA will. That's been a first for years.
You think you're the only one who hasn't had an interview? I have mates who have ATPLs and 737 experience who couldn't get a sniff of an interview for 2+ years. I am really sorry that you've lost your house. That does suck big time.
I and many others for years have been saying that there aren't enough jobs for every one. It's the same in Australia, New Zealand, USA, Canada and Europe.
It's not brilliance, it is persistence and a good dose of timing that is the only way to succeed in this industry. Yes, some folks have jumped the "queue" with the "pay to play".
Do us "experienced" guys like what we see WRT "pay to play"? I and many others hate it, hence, the reason why I am so pleased to see BA open the doors. Why? It will open up opportunities for folks like yourself and for my colleagues that have been made redundant.
easyJet and Ryanair will not look at folks flying bizjets or even turboprops.
However, BA will. That's been a first for years.
You think you're the only one who hasn't had an interview? I have mates who have ATPLs and 737 experience who couldn't get a sniff of an interview for 2+ years. I am really sorry that you've lost your house. That does suck big time.
I and many others for years have been saying that there aren't enough jobs for every one. It's the same in Australia, New Zealand, USA, Canada and Europe.
It's not brilliance, it is persistence and a good dose of timing that is the only way to succeed in this industry. Yes, some folks have jumped the "queue" with the "pay to play".
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It wasn't at you redsnail. Some other person, but you all give the same advice. Unfortunately the market changed in the last few years. I know many of you guys mean well, but you fire off a 1 minute post that may influence the next 3 years of someones life. People on this forum look for any ray of hope they can and cling to it. They will come back, still require a TR and you mightn't even be on pprune to say "sorry, I thought that would work. "
And don't be sorry about my not getting a job. Admitting I wasn't going to be a pilot was horrible. The hardest thing I ever had to do in my life, bar none.
But now I feel like a huge weight is finally off my shoulders. I don't have to send off 50 CVs each month that get ignored. I don't have to keep paying FTOs and annual renewal tax for my IR. I don't have to keep testing people's aircraft for free just to throw hours into a log book that no one but me has ever read. The pressure I put myself under 'wanting' it was immense. It was making me ill.
I don't know what career I will go on to now. But when I read all the stuff in here, remember all the heartache it gave me, see the people who made it realise much of it isnt how they imagined anyway, see T&Cs get eroded, it just makes me optimistic about doing something else. And if I start earning a real living, I'll fly for fun. I loved flying. But that is the only part of the whole thing I did love.
Aviation made me value myself as worthless. Aviation can now kiss my.
But I hope it picks up for the rest of you.
And don't be sorry about my not getting a job. Admitting I wasn't going to be a pilot was horrible. The hardest thing I ever had to do in my life, bar none.
But now I feel like a huge weight is finally off my shoulders. I don't have to send off 50 CVs each month that get ignored. I don't have to keep paying FTOs and annual renewal tax for my IR. I don't have to keep testing people's aircraft for free just to throw hours into a log book that no one but me has ever read. The pressure I put myself under 'wanting' it was immense. It was making me ill.
I don't know what career I will go on to now. But when I read all the stuff in here, remember all the heartache it gave me, see the people who made it realise much of it isnt how they imagined anyway, see T&Cs get eroded, it just makes me optimistic about doing something else. And if I start earning a real living, I'll fly for fun. I loved flying. But that is the only part of the whole thing I did love.
Aviation made me value myself as worthless. Aviation can now kiss my
.But I hope it picks up for the rest of you.
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I feel your pain Spreadeagle honestly. I hate to see people who've done it the old-school way like yourself, get despondent and quit.
But it is still possible. And you are SO DAMN CLOSE
1000 hours in a piston single is not that much. Typically, certainly in the case of myself, Redsnail and most of the other people I know who came through that route, it was more like 2000 hours in the piston single before we got our first piston twin. It took me 5-and-a-half years of sub minimum wage instructing and GA and living in caravans etc, just to get that first break onto the PA31. Then 500 - 1000 hours of that, before we got our first battered old turboprop freighter. Then 2000 of that before we got onto the jets. Etc etc.
End of the day though you are only 33, you have all those qualifications and degrees and you have 1000 hours, and you say that you've turned down 3 paid piston-single jobs recently. I know people who would kill to be in your shoes
We are coming through one of the worst periods of pilot employment in history, so many of the "jobs" available at the moment aren't real jobs at all they are bogus pay-to-fly deals. But there are still good airlines out there and I know for a fact, that there are still chief pilots who value the kind of experience you have and will gladly put a 200-hour-with-TR CV in the bin. Sadly, the airlines those chief pilots work for, haven't recruited for several years. But sooner or later they will.
Yes, all we have seen for bloody years now is kids buying their way into Ryanair. It makes guys like you want to go find a rope and tall tree sometimes. But like Red said, timing is everything.
I understand it's a brick wall for you now and I don't blame you for going uncurrent and throwing it away. But just keep an eye on the market my friend. Get another job that pays your way if you need to, but for god's sake keep at least your S/E piston rating current by instructing on weekends or whatever.
I know another guy who was exactly in your shoes, 1500 hours and 4 years of instructing and he'd hit the wall, he basically put the whole thing on hold because he was sick of the B.S., went back to his old job in the city. I do admit he kept his IR current in a king-air sim or something to that effect. Still kept his subscription to Flight International though, lucky boy. Sitting in the office monday morning reading the Flight magazine, saw a job advertised local to him, phoned up, got in his car at lunch time, went around to see them, same day he was recruited to the RHS of a Gulfstream 5. Just like that, completely out of the blue, I talked to him on the phone and you could have absolutely knocked him over with a feather. And he was literally crying with happiness man.
But it is still possible. And you are SO DAMN CLOSE
1000 hours in a piston single is not that much. Typically, certainly in the case of myself, Redsnail and most of the other people I know who came through that route, it was more like 2000 hours in the piston single before we got our first piston twin. It took me 5-and-a-half years of sub minimum wage instructing and GA and living in caravans etc, just to get that first break onto the PA31. Then 500 - 1000 hours of that, before we got our first battered old turboprop freighter. Then 2000 of that before we got onto the jets. Etc etc.
End of the day though you are only 33, you have all those qualifications and degrees and you have 1000 hours, and you say that you've turned down 3 paid piston-single jobs recently. I know people who would kill to be in your shoes
We are coming through one of the worst periods of pilot employment in history, so many of the "jobs" available at the moment aren't real jobs at all they are bogus pay-to-fly deals. But there are still good airlines out there and I know for a fact, that there are still chief pilots who value the kind of experience you have and will gladly put a 200-hour-with-TR CV in the bin. Sadly, the airlines those chief pilots work for, haven't recruited for several years. But sooner or later they will.
Yes, all we have seen for bloody years now is kids buying their way into Ryanair. It makes guys like you want to go find a rope and tall tree sometimes. But like Red said, timing is everything.
I understand it's a brick wall for you now and I don't blame you for going uncurrent and throwing it away. But just keep an eye on the market my friend. Get another job that pays your way if you need to, but for god's sake keep at least your S/E piston rating current by instructing on weekends or whatever.
I know another guy who was exactly in your shoes, 1500 hours and 4 years of instructing and he'd hit the wall, he basically put the whole thing on hold because he was sick of the B.S., went back to his old job in the city. I do admit he kept his IR current in a king-air sim or something to that effect. Still kept his subscription to Flight International though, lucky boy. Sitting in the office monday morning reading the Flight magazine, saw a job advertised local to him, phoned up, got in his car at lunch time, went around to see them, same day he was recruited to the RHS of a Gulfstream 5. Just like that, completely out of the blue, I talked to him on the phone and you could have absolutely knocked him over with a feather. And he was literally crying with happiness man.
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All very well suggesting that employers lower the bar but guess what happens then: you have considerably more applicants to choose from and your chances of success will still be slim. You gave up at 33 years old? I didn't start until I was 37 and not many years later I find myself flying a very large jet. The airlines are not charities and don't owe anybody anything. P2F is a cancer that's driving down terms and conditions across the industry but having a pop at BA is pointless since they are still (for the moment) paying for initial type rating training courses.
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Facts:
500 hours on type required.
So Guy/gal who has gone to Eaglejet done 500 hours at Lionair is eligible to apply.
Instructor with 1500 hours, from two years of full time instructing. Doesn't get a look in.
Many of the airlines that use to recruit 1000 hour instructors now only recruit though CTC.
Consider the price of an instructors rating and the fact that most instructional jobs only pay 15 pounds per hour, then pay to fly schemes actually are for many the economically more viable option.
While BA may take on some experienced turboprop drivers I would suspect the majority recruited by BA in the next few months will be ex- Ryanair, Easy and Eaglejet, already rated on the 737, 320. So while BA may pay for the initial rating I suspect they may avoid paying for several ratings by biasing the recruitment to those with the relevant ratings.
500 hours on type required.
So Guy/gal who has gone to Eaglejet done 500 hours at Lionair is eligible to apply.
Instructor with 1500 hours, from two years of full time instructing. Doesn't get a look in.
Many of the airlines that use to recruit 1000 hour instructors now only recruit though CTC.
Consider the price of an instructors rating and the fact that most instructional jobs only pay 15 pounds per hour, then pay to fly schemes actually are for many the economically more viable option.
While BA may take on some experienced turboprop drivers I would suspect the majority recruited by BA in the next few months will be ex- Ryanair, Easy and Eaglejet, already rated on the 737, 320. So while BA may pay for the initial rating I suspect they may avoid paying for several ratings by biasing the recruitment to those with the relevant ratings.
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look spreadeagle,
I understand your disapointment, but this is life mate!
here in europe, european f...k european! don't expect anything. you must be a taker not a giver! this is how it works.
you will always see a guy with less experience getting a better job.
always see a guy with plenty of money getting a super job after 2 days, when you have struggled for years.
it s not fair! yes we know.
d'ont give too much of a piss and move on wit these suckers....move with the next interview or you will finish bitter the rest of your life.
All these airlines , BA captains are a bunch of gays with their 30'000 euro a month. as loong they dont hire P2F is a good step.
Believe me, I hate this mentality of stabbing, who will get the biggest plane t/rating or the biggest d..k.
it sucks, but that's life! if you don't like it, change profession because nobody own you a job.
this a fantastic job, if i was at airbus industry, belive me, i would f... aviation and stay with airbus and fly my little plane during weekend, nothing better to be on CATIA and be fullyy involved in constuction.
I met guys working at airbus and they are proud f it!
it seems to me, you will never be happy in your life.so be careful with that!
I have friends who were flying the big jet, not they went back instructing and they are happy with that. why? because the airline mentality sucks... I know even guys who lef the big airlines because they were pissed and went fly for corporates or for flight schools, and are totally happy.
I am now looking for a jet job for corporates and don't give a toss for these s..t airlines, been there...airline is over for me, they can kiss my a.ss ! when you see how badly the treat you, better to do something else and keep your freedom!
at BA, they have probably received 50'000 CV. thye will kill eachover at their selection test."pleae, select ,me me me!!!!, mememememem!!!!!"
50yo or 12 yo, these pilots have still not evolved! they are all drowling like dogs when they see a BA written somewhere.
I understand your disapointment, but this is life mate!
here in europe, european f...k european! don't expect anything. you must be a taker not a giver! this is how it works.
you will always see a guy with less experience getting a better job.
always see a guy with plenty of money getting a super job after 2 days, when you have struggled for years.
it s not fair! yes we know.
d'ont give too much of a piss and move on wit these suckers....move with the next interview or you will finish bitter the rest of your life.
All these airlines , BA captains are a bunch of gays with their 30'000 euro a month. as loong they dont hire P2F is a good step.
Believe me, I hate this mentality of stabbing, who will get the biggest plane t/rating or the biggest d..k.
it sucks, but that's life! if you don't like it, change profession because nobody own you a job.
I have a degree in Aerospace Engineering. I spent 4 years working for airbus in the Flight Physics department as an engineer
I met guys working at airbus and they are proud f it!
it seems to me, you will never be happy in your life.so be careful with that!
I have friends who were flying the big jet, not they went back instructing and they are happy with that. why? because the airline mentality sucks... I know even guys who lef the big airlines because they were pissed and went fly for corporates or for flight schools, and are totally happy.
I am now looking for a jet job for corporates and don't give a toss for these s..t airlines, been there...airline is over for me, they can kiss my a.ss ! when you see how badly the treat you, better to do something else and keep your freedom!
at BA, they have probably received 50'000 CV. thye will kill eachover at their selection test."pleae, select ,me me me!!!!, mememememem!!!!!"
50yo or 12 yo, these pilots have still not evolved! they are all drowling like dogs when they see a BA written somewhere.
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I didn't come to this acceptance, because I just woke up not 'wanting' it one morning. I gave up because all this old school scraping for hours had left me destitute. I finally could not afford to get in a twin and redo my IR. No license, no fly. And it isn't the answer anyway. p2f is the answer. Its why this guy has an interview, and I have never had one yet after 3 years.
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post6574364
Shame, because I know why I want to be a pilot.
But it was a blessing in disguise. It was the smack across the face with a big wet kipper that I needed.
As my OP showed, even those who traditionally were interested in investing in those who 'wanted' it, they have had theirs hands forced by the p2f brigade. They haven't joined them yet, but its only going one way. I can't see anyone funding an unrated pilot with no jet time ever again.
As for all those people 'who would kill for' SEP paid jobs, that is the problem. Its why despite all the skills, knowledge, financial investment etc, I can still only ask for £10-£15 an hour for my airborne time. Ground time usually comes at a flat rate £0 p/h. Why is a plumber £70/h? Because there isn't an army of wannabe plumbers wanting to unblock my toilet for free.
And yes, I am 33. I'm not getting any prettier. Flying has been the only thing in my life for too long. I want other things as well. (greedy aint I?). I would like my own family, my own home, the things normal people have.
Even if I could carry on, I might get to 5000 hours. But airlines may care even less by then. 10 years ago you would never have imagined pilots paying for training, TRs and 500 hours on type. What on earth are they going to want from us in 10 years time? The goal posts will have moved again. I have one life. Its too important to risk it all chasing rainbows. No one has a gentleman's agreement with me that if I just keep at it I will get that job. To come to that realisation in another 10 years, probably would leave me hanging from the nearest tree, and the writing is on the wall.
I'm gonna do something else. I'll keep my eye on what happens, but I won't be holding my breath and I'm not gonna waste any more time wanting it.
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post6574364
Shame, because I know why I want to be a pilot.
But it was a blessing in disguise. It was the smack across the face with a big wet kipper that I needed.
As my OP showed, even those who traditionally were interested in investing in those who 'wanted' it, they have had theirs hands forced by the p2f brigade. They haven't joined them yet, but its only going one way. I can't see anyone funding an unrated pilot with no jet time ever again.
As for all those people 'who would kill for' SEP paid jobs, that is the problem. Its why despite all the skills, knowledge, financial investment etc, I can still only ask for £10-£15 an hour for my airborne time. Ground time usually comes at a flat rate £0 p/h. Why is a plumber £70/h? Because there isn't an army of wannabe plumbers wanting to unblock my toilet for free.
And yes, I am 33. I'm not getting any prettier. Flying has been the only thing in my life for too long. I want other things as well. (greedy aint I?). I would like my own family, my own home, the things normal people have.
Even if I could carry on, I might get to 5000 hours. But airlines may care even less by then. 10 years ago you would never have imagined pilots paying for training, TRs and 500 hours on type. What on earth are they going to want from us in 10 years time? The goal posts will have moved again. I have one life. Its too important to risk it all chasing rainbows. No one has a gentleman's agreement with me that if I just keep at it I will get that job. To come to that realisation in another 10 years, probably would leave me hanging from the nearest tree, and the writing is on the wall.
I'm gonna do something else. I'll keep my eye on what happens, but I won't be holding my breath and I'm not gonna waste any more time wanting it.
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Just a question if anybody knows that.
If you fullfill all the requirements, TR, hours, etc.. Is a uk JAA licence a must?.
Did anybody applied succesfully with an ATPL issued by another JAA country?
If you fullfill all the requirements, TR, hours, etc.. Is a uk JAA licence a must?.
Did anybody applied succesfully with an ATPL issued by another JAA country?
Yeles, read the recruitment link page carefully -
"Will ... hold" means exactly that - it must be a UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(A).
SpreadEagle - even if you did meet initial recruiting requirements, I suspect you would fall down somewhere else in the recruiting process.
You will also hold a UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(A)
SpreadEagle - even if you did meet initial recruiting requirements, I suspect you would fall down somewhere else in the recruiting process.
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Just a quick one to say that the XL and XLS do not fall in the 10T category by 900 and 800 kgs respectively. Given in Lbs, the heaviest, the XLS has a MTOW of 20200 lbs and 20000 lbs for the XL.
A technicality mind you.
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Just a quick one to say that the XL and XLS do not fall in the 10T category by 900 and 800 kgs respectively. Given in Lbs, the heaviest, the XLS has a MTOW of 20200 lbs and 20000 lbs for the XL.
A technicality mind you.
Cheers