Intercockpit Training/Investments/Aviation Future
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Hello People
First of all I would like to say how great this community is and how a great help it has been with all sort of information.
My name is David and currently I'm living in Germany. I always wanted to pursue an aviation career but lately with economic crises and high unemployment rates I've been rethink my life. As I'm not a german speaker I've been looking for a school that can provide me with ATPL/PPL in english and I came across with Intercockpit:
- They seem to be very good school
- Their ATPL course is cheaper than any average school in Europe (67000€ more or less with all training costs)
- The bank conditions seem o.k (I'm no banker or related to any financial area) They money is to be payback in 10 years and has 2.5 years of grace period.
-Their students have above 90% employment rate (which is good for the crises times though I don't know the reality of the numbers!)
But besides that and some scarce information in the net I cannot find anything else about them. I'm hoping to go there for info day on the 1st December!
As anyone has any experience with them regarding ab-initio ATPL?
Now regarding the market
Do you think is worth investing in the training? Seems like aviation in germany is soaring and expanding... But I read that BA/Iberia will merge thus sending more qualified pilots to the unemployment!
Otherwise rethink my strategy I would go to the PPL+IR+CPL way... though even if I didn't had any job prospects I would like to have a CPL license for cheaper aircraft insurance and for the provided training.
I know many should be feed up with wannabes threads about which way, bla bla bla... But I would like to have someone experienced voiced about this... like many youngsters...
For me not being ATPL wouldn't be a killer, since I would like to invest in owning my own plane too... But like you all know the airliner dreams fills us all...
Thanks for you time...
Greets to all comunity
First of all I would like to say how great this community is and how a great help it has been with all sort of information.
My name is David and currently I'm living in Germany. I always wanted to pursue an aviation career but lately with economic crises and high unemployment rates I've been rethink my life. As I'm not a german speaker I've been looking for a school that can provide me with ATPL/PPL in english and I came across with Intercockpit:
- They seem to be very good school
- Their ATPL course is cheaper than any average school in Europe (67000€ more or less with all training costs)
- The bank conditions seem o.k (I'm no banker or related to any financial area) They money is to be payback in 10 years and has 2.5 years of grace period.
-Their students have above 90% employment rate (which is good for the crises times though I don't know the reality of the numbers!)
But besides that and some scarce information in the net I cannot find anything else about them. I'm hoping to go there for info day on the 1st December!
As anyone has any experience with them regarding ab-initio ATPL?
Now regarding the market
Do you think is worth investing in the training? Seems like aviation in germany is soaring and expanding... But I read that BA/Iberia will merge thus sending more qualified pilots to the unemployment!
Otherwise rethink my strategy I would go to the PPL+IR+CPL way... though even if I didn't had any job prospects I would like to have a CPL license for cheaper aircraft insurance and for the provided training.
I know many should be feed up with wannabes threads about which way, bla bla bla... But I would like to have someone experienced voiced about this... like many youngsters...
For me not being ATPL wouldn't be a killer, since I would like to invest in owning my own plane too... But like you all know the airliner dreams fills us all...
Thanks for you time...
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Have you actually read the other threads currently running on this website?
1) There are no jobs for anybody, anywhere in Europe
2) There are hundreds of already experienced pilots unemployed
3) When the experienced guys get their jobs back, there are thousands of CPL/IR/inexperienced people also looking for any job
4) No school has 90% employment rate, not if it's real jobs anyway. Maybe it's a 90% employment rate of people paying hundreds of euros to sit in a RHS
1) There are no jobs for anybody, anywhere in Europe
2) There are hundreds of already experienced pilots unemployed
3) When the experienced guys get their jobs back, there are thousands of CPL/IR/inexperienced people also looking for any job
4) No school has 90% employment rate, not if it's real jobs anyway. Maybe it's a 90% employment rate of people paying hundreds of euros to sit in a RHS
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1) There are plenty of jobs, particularly here in the UK, just not as many as there were a few years ago.
2) Yes there are plenty of unemployed experienced pilots, but where do you get your statistics from?
3) I know of several guys who I trained with (<250 hours) getting jobs on turboprops, so what's your point?
4) 90% employment rate could be based over several years. By all means be sceptical, but not everyone pays to fly an airliner.
By all means take off the rose- tinted specs, but for crying out loud don't put on a blind fold!
Dinho, I'm afraid I can't help you with any info on Intercockpit as I've had no dealings with them. But use the open day to ask all the questions you can think of. Ask how their employment statistics are calculated, what their student turnover is, check out the condition of the aeroplanes etc. If you know your way round a tech log, take a look. Do they spend much time in maintenance? Do they carry many deferred defects? How much are they flying? You might also get an idea about this from the flying roster if they'll let you see it. If they don't, why not? What are they hiding? Also, speak to as many students as you can, ask for their honest opinions (don't only speak to the ones the school introduces to you, find the ones skulking around the student lounge!). You generally get a feel for a school by its atmosphere, so a thorough day visit should give you the right idea. But don't be too tempted to part with your money in a hurry. See what else you can find.
If I were in your position I'd hope to be starting training soon. Things aren't great now, but there is work for low houred guys, just not necessarily on a 737. In 12- 24 months time things will be very different. If the industry follows its typical cycles we'll be on the definite up before all too long. And when recruitment is in full swing again, people like you who are keen, fresh faced and still up to scratch on your skills acquired in training will be faring better than the crusty old codgers like me who've been sat around feeling sorry for themselves all this time!
Stay positive folks!
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1) There are plenty of jobs, particularly here in the UK, just not as many as there were a few years ago.
2) Yes there are plenty of unemployed experienced pilots, but where do you get your statistics from?
3) I know of several guys who I trained with (<250 hours) getting jobs on turboprops, so what's your point?
4) 90% employment rate could be based over several years. By all means be sceptical, but not everyone pays to fly an airliner.
By all means take off the rose- tinted specs, but for crying out loud don't put on a blind fold!
Dinho, I'm afraid I can't help you with any info on Intercockpit as I've had no dealings with them. But use the open day to ask all the questions you can think of. Ask how their employment statistics are calculated, what their student turnover is, check out the condition of the aeroplanes etc. If you know your way round a tech log, take a look. Do they spend much time in maintenance? Do they carry many deferred defects? How much are they flying? You might also get an idea about this from the flying roster if they'll let you see it. If they don't, why not? What are they hiding? Also, speak to as many students as you can, ask for their honest opinions (don't only speak to the ones the school introduces to you, find the ones skulking around the student lounge!). You generally get a feel for a school by its atmosphere, so a thorough day visit should give you the right idea. But don't be too tempted to part with your money in a hurry. See what else you can find.
If I were in your position I'd hope to be starting training soon. Things aren't great now, but there is work for low houred guys, just not necessarily on a 737. In 12- 24 months time things will be very different. If the industry follows its typical cycles we'll be on the definite up before all too long. And when recruitment is in full swing again, people like you who are keen, fresh faced and still up to scratch on your skills acquired in training will be faring better than the crusty old codgers like me who've been sat around feeling sorry for themselves all this time!
Stay positive folks!
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LOL - fair enough - I'm definitely getting grumpy in my old age :P
There was a big discussion about intercockpit a few months back, it's here http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ercockpit.html
There was a big discussion about intercockpit a few months back, it's here http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ercockpit.html
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Flying is...
Definitely will try to gather more information about the academy and attend their info day...
BUT I will probably will start with the good ol' PPL and then transition to a higher level.
I don't think flying turboprops or even piston as an ATPL is bad, though off course it's more astonishing to be a jet pilot... But someone has to fly the turbo and props... Maybe I will do some hours as an instructor, which is fine for me too...
Some flying is better than no flying at all... But like in any area there is a need to be persistent. Thanks for your encouraging post and good luck to those out there...
I will try to focus on my enginnering job for at least one year before taking any great leap towards commercial flying and meanwhile might be that the economy and the industry change for better...
Like I said some flying is better than no flying at all, and even GA aircraft like the Cirrus look like Boeing 737NG with all the goodies... Off course the reciprocal engines are not as reliable and efficient as a turbofan engine, but since it's still flying, and flying is a pleasure, people should happy when they are doing what they like... so good luck to all... I already envy those guy flying old cessnas... LOL!
BUT I will probably will start with the good ol' PPL and then transition to a higher level.
I don't think flying turboprops or even piston as an ATPL is bad, though off course it's more astonishing to be a jet pilot... But someone has to fly the turbo and props... Maybe I will do some hours as an instructor, which is fine for me too...
Some flying is better than no flying at all... But like in any area there is a need to be persistent. Thanks for your encouraging post and good luck to those out there...
I will try to focus on my enginnering job for at least one year before taking any great leap towards commercial flying and meanwhile might be that the economy and the industry change for better...
Like I said some flying is better than no flying at all, and even GA aircraft like the Cirrus look like Boeing 737NG with all the goodies... Off course the reciprocal engines are not as reliable and efficient as a turbofan engine, but since it's still flying, and flying is a pleasure, people should happy when they are doing what they like... so good luck to all... I already envy those guy flying old cessnas... LOL!
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I don't think flying turboprops or even piston as an ATPL is bad, though off course it's more astonishing to be a jet pilot... But someone has to fly the turbo and props... Maybe I will do some hours as an instructor, which is fine for me too...
Seriously think about what you are going up against my friend before you commit too much money to this, in the current economic situation
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Yeah I do understand...
But the economy has it ups and downs and the recover might be near.
That's probably why I will go for the PPL and then time will tell what's best. The amount to pay for ATPL is big but that wouldn't be a problem if I could do it while working... But I think I will save myself from these debts bonds and enjoy some private flying doing hours, adding ratings, etc... while balancing what I win and what I spend...
But the economy has it ups and downs and the recover might be near.
That's probably why I will go for the PPL and then time will tell what's best. The amount to pay for ATPL is big but that wouldn't be a problem if I could do it while working... But I think I will save myself from these debts bonds and enjoy some private flying doing hours, adding ratings, etc... while balancing what I win and what I spend...
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@hingey Can you plz tell me where low hour guys are getting Turboprop jobs at the moment????LOL I know a lot of CPL/IR wannabes. The only ones who got jobs, were those who had contacts. abt 95% of the people I know from my FTO are unemployed or working in the non aviation sector now..
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Ronand,
I know a couple guys who are starting with Loganair next year on the Saab. Neither of them have type ratings, but they may well have known the right people. I also know 4 guys who have gone to Indonesia to fly Caravans. None of them knew people within the company or had type ratings. I'm doing some casual work on light aircrat on and off, which I started earlier this year. Plus I know 2 guys off to Ryanair next year on the Brooklands contract, if thats your cup of tea.
Knowing people helps, but isn't essential. If you don't have any contacts then start networking. Its certainly a better use of your time than worrying about the job market. Probably just under half the guys I trained with are working now, but training wasn't that far back for me. There will always be a number of people who don't get jobs, but more often than not they are the ones who aren't committed or are inflexible about what job they are happy to take. I wouldn't be too concerned about not working for a couple years after finishing school, save that for when you're an ex- airline captain whos just been made redundant!
The trick is knowing where to look. Waiting for jobs to be advertised might not get you anywhere, but showing your face will. I managed to get a job by walking into the office, dressed smartly with a CV in hand and asking if they needed anyone. And yes, that was a job in aviation. Don't expect the jobs to find you, unless your surname is Branson and your dad owes you a favour.
Good luck
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I know a couple guys who are starting with Loganair next year on the Saab. Neither of them have type ratings, but they may well have known the right people. I also know 4 guys who have gone to Indonesia to fly Caravans. None of them knew people within the company or had type ratings. I'm doing some casual work on light aircrat on and off, which I started earlier this year. Plus I know 2 guys off to Ryanair next year on the Brooklands contract, if thats your cup of tea.
Knowing people helps, but isn't essential. If you don't have any contacts then start networking. Its certainly a better use of your time than worrying about the job market. Probably just under half the guys I trained with are working now, but training wasn't that far back for me. There will always be a number of people who don't get jobs, but more often than not they are the ones who aren't committed or are inflexible about what job they are happy to take. I wouldn't be too concerned about not working for a couple years after finishing school, save that for when you're an ex- airline captain whos just been made redundant!
The trick is knowing where to look. Waiting for jobs to be advertised might not get you anywhere, but showing your face will. I managed to get a job by walking into the office, dressed smartly with a CV in hand and asking if they needed anyone. And yes, that was a job in aviation. Don't expect the jobs to find you, unless your surname is Branson and your dad owes you a favour.
Good luck
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