Are Ryanair still taking on FOs?
I maintain its prostitutes and pimps. The relationship is clear and its fine and both parties are happy.
When the prostitute starts defending the actions of the pimp. Then I reach for my sick bag.
Many if not most airline pilots are often heard wondering why Ryanair pilots just don't grow a spine and join a union. I wouldn't like to comment. For Wannabes the RYR contract with Brookfield is the only game in town and thus the best game in town.
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When the prostitute starts defending the actions of the pimp. Then I reach for my sick bag.
Many if not most airline pilots are often heard wondering why Ryanair pilots just don't grow a spine and join a union. I wouldn't like to comment. For Wannabes the RYR contract with Brookfield is the only game in town and thus the best game in town.
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hello, i am planning to start my MCC in september, but then i heard that ryanair is not recruiting anymore, then I also heard that they will start interviewing again in october/december... does anyone know anything about recruitment dates? I dont want to do my MCC in september and then get an assessment maybe in april 2010... also, please, does anyone know something about MCC courses organized by ryanair? thanks
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WWW, you draw parallels but the very same is drawn for EZY with the CTC flexi crew, use them for 6 months and dispose of them as soon as they're entitled to some pay. The important note here is its not just RYR destroying this industry perhaps a time will come when the experienced guys will make a stance for our future colleagues, just like EZY/BMI guys said no to that ATP crowd.
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I am not sure that I have read a significant number of posts "defending" RYR, although I am sure there are some exceptions to that.
The vast majority of posters seem to argue that RYR is a transparent, known quantity that people go into with their eyes open.
If I had chosen to be a doctor (although I am not bright enough) I would have had to fund a 5 year course. If I had wanted to be a lawyer (also not bright enough) it would have cost me a 3 year course. The only difference I can see is that these two careers would likely have led to full-time, and not contract employment, but as I said in an earlier post, I am personally used to contracting and have no problem with it.
At the risk of repeating myself - why are so many people unhappy with "market forces" dictating the declining T&C's of today, when we are happy with the same effects it has on other aspects of our lives? I think some of the answer lies in the stage of life of the opinion holder, and I'd like to draw a simplistic example from the housing market. I have friends who are first time buyers and who are absoulutely delighted house prices are falling. Equally, I know people whose children have left home, who are approaching retirement and who are sick with the fact their plans to trade down, take property profit as a pension are now looking unworkable. Both if these groups have a valid position, although they are at odds with each other.
My point (I think!) is this: I am not an economics graduate, my opinions are formed from a school education and susbsequent life experience. There is no evidence that the labour market is driven by gorups of employees 'growing spines' or joining unions, that world went away with the great work of the mighty Thatcher in the 80's. It is a different world today, and supply and demand rules. The self-sponsored Type Rating will stay around longer than pay to fly schemes, and they will be here for some time to come.
For my kicker I will say this - I am a graduate of the RYR scheme, and as I have said before I am happy. There is one over-riding consideration I must keep in mind when I write posts like this, and that is to be honest to myself even if it upsets you the reader. The key question I keep asking myself is - if I were MOL would I be doing it any different - and the answer is no.
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The vast majority of posters seem to argue that RYR is a transparent, known quantity that people go into with their eyes open.
If I had chosen to be a doctor (although I am not bright enough) I would have had to fund a 5 year course. If I had wanted to be a lawyer (also not bright enough) it would have cost me a 3 year course. The only difference I can see is that these two careers would likely have led to full-time, and not contract employment, but as I said in an earlier post, I am personally used to contracting and have no problem with it.
At the risk of repeating myself - why are so many people unhappy with "market forces" dictating the declining T&C's of today, when we are happy with the same effects it has on other aspects of our lives? I think some of the answer lies in the stage of life of the opinion holder, and I'd like to draw a simplistic example from the housing market. I have friends who are first time buyers and who are absoulutely delighted house prices are falling. Equally, I know people whose children have left home, who are approaching retirement and who are sick with the fact their plans to trade down, take property profit as a pension are now looking unworkable. Both if these groups have a valid position, although they are at odds with each other.
My point (I think!) is this: I am not an economics graduate, my opinions are formed from a school education and susbsequent life experience. There is no evidence that the labour market is driven by gorups of employees 'growing spines' or joining unions, that world went away with the great work of the mighty Thatcher in the 80's. It is a different world today, and supply and demand rules. The self-sponsored Type Rating will stay around longer than pay to fly schemes, and they will be here for some time to come.
For my kicker I will say this - I am a graduate of the RYR scheme, and as I have said before I am happy. There is one over-riding consideration I must keep in mind when I write posts like this, and that is to be honest to myself even if it upsets you the reader. The key question I keep asking myself is - if I were MOL would I be doing it any different - and the answer is no.
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can you tell me what it is that makes you happy to work in ryr?what are the perks of your employer?
my problem with ryr is simply.im on a permenant contract with a loco, most new ryr employees are on a crookfield deal.so come this winter when leary decides due to seasonal variation he need less drivers he hands out lots of unpaid leave.now how does my employer compete with this.so the people that sign up to these it does have a direct effect on my job.it becomes less secure.
i dont quite understand why people take the crap oleary offers.these brookfield contracts werent designed to be good for the employee.its all to o learys advantage.
as for the tea and coffee thing and crew food, to be honest its the point of the matter.can you imagine your general office person turning up for work being told were going to lock you in a room for 12 hours and you can only eat food the you have prepared the nite before.its not humane
or yes you can use the carpark but it will cost you,your uniform...ya you have to pay for that,no we dont do pensions sorry,you will never be permanent,unpaid leave when ever we feel like giving it.im sure thats wonderful with a family and a mortgage to pay for.i read a post where someone said they loved theirs they went skiing, thats probably not the point, now is it.can you imagine 'ya sorry love the house is being repossessed but the good news is we're off to the alps'
im not saying that my employer is wonderful, far from it, but what i do feel is like a respected adult when i go to work.when i look at the ryr deal, i cant think of one reason why i'd want to work for them...its just not a career is it?
and everytime someone signs up to put up with their s
its another nail in the coffin of a career we all worked so hard for.can you imagine doctors or lawyer putting up with this.or am i wrong again.
still waiting to find out who started these pay to fly type ratings in this part of the world in the 80s and 90s that i was so wrong about
my problem with ryr is simply.im on a permenant contract with a loco, most new ryr employees are on a crookfield deal.so come this winter when leary decides due to seasonal variation he need less drivers he hands out lots of unpaid leave.now how does my employer compete with this.so the people that sign up to these it does have a direct effect on my job.it becomes less secure.
i dont quite understand why people take the crap oleary offers.these brookfield contracts werent designed to be good for the employee.its all to o learys advantage.
as for the tea and coffee thing and crew food, to be honest its the point of the matter.can you imagine your general office person turning up for work being told were going to lock you in a room for 12 hours and you can only eat food the you have prepared the nite before.its not humane
or yes you can use the carpark but it will cost you,your uniform...ya you have to pay for that,no we dont do pensions sorry,you will never be permanent,unpaid leave when ever we feel like giving it.im sure thats wonderful with a family and a mortgage to pay for.i read a post where someone said they loved theirs they went skiing, thats probably not the point, now is it.can you imagine 'ya sorry love the house is being repossessed but the good news is we're off to the alps'
im not saying that my employer is wonderful, far from it, but what i do feel is like a respected adult when i go to work.when i look at the ryr deal, i cant think of one reason why i'd want to work for them...its just not a career is it?
and everytime someone signs up to put up with their s
its another nail in the coffin of a career we all worked so hard for.can you imagine doctors or lawyer putting up with this.or am i wrong again.still waiting to find out who started these pay to fly type ratings in this part of the world in the 80s and 90s that i was so wrong about
blackred try airberlin, as one of my former employers so wonderfully told me. Bought himself a jet type rating and was given a job with them. And more specifically in the Uk I seem to recall that BMI was offering type ratings back in the early 90's.
'Paying for type ratings is not new either; it was very common in the late '80s and early '90s when I was first looking at obtaining a commercial flying job. And even those lucky BA Cadets of yore effectively paid for their training and ratings through a reduced salary, just like the CTC cadets do now.' Quote was posted by scroggs in 2004 link here http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-141180.html
One only has to look to the mainland to see that the practise has been going on for years.
Question for you, how is it that the charter outfits through Alteon etc offering pay to fly and easy with summer only commands six months work on 1000 a month is acceptable but what RYR is doing is not? Or how about the thousands of contract jobs going in Asia or the Middle East of Africa are those not the same as what RYR is offering? Are you complaining about them as well?
As to why people take the deal, do you think its because its possibly the only deal on offer at the moment? Some of us do have to pay the bills you know! You seem suprised that a company and indeed any company looks after itself and its shareholders above all else please tell me this is not news to you?
'Paying for type ratings is not new either; it was very common in the late '80s and early '90s when I was first looking at obtaining a commercial flying job. And even those lucky BA Cadets of yore effectively paid for their training and ratings through a reduced salary, just like the CTC cadets do now.' Quote was posted by scroggs in 2004 link here http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-141180.html
One only has to look to the mainland to see that the practise has been going on for years.
Question for you, how is it that the charter outfits through Alteon etc offering pay to fly and easy with summer only commands six months work on 1000 a month is acceptable but what RYR is doing is not? Or how about the thousands of contract jobs going in Asia or the Middle East of Africa are those not the same as what RYR is offering? Are you complaining about them as well?
As to why people take the deal, do you think its because its possibly the only deal on offer at the moment? Some of us do have to pay the bills you know! You seem suprised that a company and indeed any company looks after itself and its shareholders above all else please tell me this is not news to you?
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hello, i am planning to start my MCC in september, but then i heard that ryanair is not recruiting anymore, then I also heard that they will start interviewing again in october/december... does anyone know anything about recruitment dates? I dont want to do my MCC in september and then get an assessment maybe in april 2010... also, please, does anyone know something about MCC courses organized by ryanair? thanks"
DON'T YOU GUYS SEE? - all this bickering is missing a legitimate question.. all of the people on here moaning about Ryanair are wasting their time. The SAD people are the so-called experienced pilots with all the time on their hands to go on a wannabe forum and moan about them.
While i'm here though, I would like to add that even though you pay all this money to train as a cadet for Ryanair, you are entitled to claim it all back through tax relief, quite rightly so too. So put that in your pipe and smoke it...
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hello, i am planning to start my MCC in september, but then i heard that ryanair is not recruiting anymore, then I also heard that they will start interviewing again in october/december... does anyone know anything about recruitment dates? I dont want to do my MCC in september and then get an assessment maybe in april 2010... also, please, does anyone know something about MCC courses organized by ryanair? thanks"
DON'T YOU GUYS SEE? - all this bickering is missing a legitimate question.. all of the people on here moaning about Ryanair are wasting their time. The SAD people are the so-called experienced pilots with all the time on their hands to go on a wannabe forum and moan about them.
While i'm here though, I would like to add that even though you pay all this money to train as a cadet for Ryanair, you are entitled to claim it all back through tax relief, quite rightly so too. So put that in your pipe and smoke it...
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While i'm here though, I would like to add that even though you pay all this money to train as a cadet for Ryanair, you are entitled to claim it all back through tax relief, quite rightly so too. So put that in your pipe and smoke it...
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Yeah please do explain. I can't wait to hear this one. Claiming back your expenses incurred from being raped by Ryanair? You would need to be shagging Alastair Darling my poor deluded friend.
And until they do, they will continue to destroy what is left of this profession and drag the rest of us down with them. Cue howls of derision from FR contracters.........
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Actually there is an agreement in place with Irish Inland Revenue whereby, as you are effectively your “own company”, you are able to claim €500 offset against tax in your paypacket each taxable month. Not to mention claiming other things such as mileage etc. etc. All legitimate and as in place already.
I don’t really need to go into too much more detail as clearly, you sad gits who come on the wannabe forum to slag off Ryanair, aren’t bothered!
I don’t really need to go into too much more detail as clearly, you sad gits who come on the wannabe forum to slag off Ryanair, aren’t bothered!
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whats sad about it,your on here too.are we all sad together.what else do you do on an airport standby other that whinge about ryr and listen to fairytales about claiming back expenses from brian comens government that helps o leary
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'nuff sed.
Is this reluctance to clarify, based on HMRC IR 35 by any chance?
If so, it is not a secret and HMRC are very aware of the claims that have been made.
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Actually this is perfectly ok... the long and short is, it is best for both parties. Brookfield enforce the fact that you pay tax in Ireland, in return for being able to claim this money back.
Looking at it another way... if you weren't allowed to do this it could be classed as illegal. You set-up as your own "company" and as a company you should be entitled to claim back expenses/tax on things like this, fuel etc. Think of this method as a compromise therefore.
Sorry guys, but it's quite enjoyable to see you squirm! Something decent to come out about a Ryanair course has got you all in a spin!
Looking at it another way... if you weren't allowed to do this it could be classed as illegal. You set-up as your own "company" and as a company you should be entitled to claim back expenses/tax on things like this, fuel etc. Think of this method as a compromise therefore.
Sorry guys, but it's quite enjoyable to see you squirm! Something decent to come out about a Ryanair course has got you all in a spin!
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tax repayment on type rating course anyone?
Has anyone ever been able to claim tax back after paying for a type rating?If so how and on what grounds?
I am asking for factual confirmation of this, not speculation, rumour or bull s*** round about answers please.
I am asking for factual confirmation of this, not speculation, rumour or bull s*** round about answers please.
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http://http://www.ryanair.com/site/E...=fin-en-310709
Does this mean recruitment will restart? There can't be enough in the holding pool for 55 new aircraft?
Does this mean recruitment will restart? There can't be enough in the holding pool for 55 new aircraft?
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Good news boys n girls. UK base freeze lifted from 1st Sept 09.
FO promotions to Commander/SFI will restart making some room for those starting out.
A word of caution, the Pilot turnover rate is virtually ZERO through all ranks and those having to borrow 30K think long and hard about what your getting into,desperate as you may be for a job this is a company forcasting a reasonable profit - in a downturn.
FO promotions to Commander/SFI will restart making some room for those starting out.
A word of caution, the Pilot turnover rate is virtually ZERO through all ranks and those having to borrow 30K think long and hard about what your getting into,desperate as you may be for a job this is a company forcasting a reasonable profit - in a downturn.