Are Ryanair still taking on FOs?
but will reduce this to 24 aircraft (a 40% reduction)
Anyway, this is hardly a surprise. Everyone is expecting this Winter to be worse than last. Maybe they are being forced to remove the aircraft from the line for base training.
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Anyway, this is hardly a surprise. Everyone is expecting this Winter to be worse than last. Maybe they are being forced to remove the aircraft from the line for base training.
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As far as I know yes, RYR has frozen recruitment for cadets. I think interviews may be still ongoing for the people who were already given an interview date but they will be over soon! The exact same thing happened around the same time last year, all recruitment was frozen until January and I'm pretty sure thats whats happening this year!
I honestly can't see anymore TR's going ahead this year either, AFAIK the last confirmed TR this year starts next week. It has already been said on this thread that the November course and onwards have been cancelled, but to any of the guys on the October course reading this don't get your hopes up. You guys are yet to receive any contracts and are somewhat on reserve, if things pick up and new bases are scheduled to open then it will go ahead, if not (more than likely) then you will be joining the long queue of cadets waiting next spring! I hope for your sake it does go ahead because if it doesn't, the assesment will have to be retaken, and thats certainly something I would not fancy doing after not flying in almost a year!
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As far as I know yes, RYR has frozen recruitment for cadets. I think interviews may be still ongoing for the people who were already given an interview date but they will be over soon! The exact same thing happened around the same time last year, all recruitment was frozen until January and I'm pretty sure thats whats happening this year!
I honestly can't see anymore TR's going ahead this year either, AFAIK the last confirmed TR this year starts next week. It has already been said on this thread that the November course and onwards have been cancelled, but to any of the guys on the October course reading this don't get your hopes up. You guys are yet to receive any contracts and are somewhat on reserve, if things pick up and new bases are scheduled to open then it will go ahead, if not (more than likely) then you will be joining the long queue of cadets waiting next spring! I hope for your sake it does go ahead because if it doesn't, the assesment will have to be retaken, and thats certainly something I would not fancy doing after not flying in almost a year!
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My advice to you newbees is keep your 30K for the type rating, sit tight, wait until the market picks up and go elsewhere. Why put yourself under financial pressure for Ryanair in the current economic climate - a company forcasting to make 2-300 million euro this financial year.
The sooner you boys and girls wake up and realise that Mickys low fares are subsidised using your own personal credit, the better for all at the top and bottom of the pilot proffession.
The sooner you boys and girls wake up and realise that Mickys low fares are subsidised using your own personal credit, the better for all at the top and bottom of the pilot proffession.
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Yes I do fly for RYR and I know exactly why you are asking. I know it can be very hard to trust anything that has been said on these forums but whether you or anyone else believes me is entirely your choice, I honestly couldn't care less!
I presume from some of your earlier posts that you are one of the cadets on the October course, the best advice I can give you is to sit tight, cross your fingers and hope for the best! Also, If you want I can PM you a few links to some excellent websites in order to help you get a head start on the TR!
Honestly I can understand why you are going to be frustrated, you and your colleagues have been waiting for this since around February and have already had your start dates postponed once(yes you'd be very surprised with what I know) but we are about to head into one of the worst winters aviation has seen in a long time and nobody knows what the future has in store!
I do sincerely hope that your course goes ahead, I still remember when I was about to start and the shear excitement I felt on the lead up to the TR, I would have been sick at the thought of being told that I was getting postponed! So I really wouldn't wish that upon you at all!
You will know within probably the next 6 weeks or so whether or not it's going ahead, this will be around the time that your contracts are issued so if you get them I reckon you should be okay! Until then though best of luck with whatever your doing and I hope it works out for you!
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Yes I do fly for RYR and I know exactly why you are asking. I know it can be very hard to trust anything that has been said on these forums but whether you or anyone else believes me is entirely your choice, I honestly couldn't care less!
I presume from some of your earlier posts that you are one of the cadets on the October course, the best advice I can give you is to sit tight, cross your fingers and hope for the best! Also, If you want I can PM you a few links to some excellent websites in order to help you get a head start on the TR!
Honestly I can understand why you are going to be frustrated, you and your colleagues have been waiting for this since around February and have already had your start dates postponed once(yes you'd be very surprised with what I know) but we are about to head into one of the worst winters aviation has seen in a long time and nobody knows what the future has in store!
I do sincerely hope that your course goes ahead, I still remember when I was about to start and the shear excitement I felt on the lead up to the TR, I would have been sick at the thought of being told that I was getting postponed! So I really wouldn't wish that upon you at all!
You will know within probably the next 6 weeks or so whether or not it's going ahead, this will be around the time that your contracts are issued so if you get them I reckon you should be okay! Until then though best of luck with whatever your doing and I hope it works out for you!
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Thanks for the head's up RYR and proud!
As Im scheduled for oct this is certainly not good news.. If I may ask, where did you hear this? Just a flight deck rumour or anything more solid?
As Im scheduled for oct this is certainly not good news.. If I may ask, where did you hear this? Just a flight deck rumour or anything more solid?
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RYR n proud.
Is this an MOL love in?
Obviously not been in the company long enough?
Had any unpaid leave lately?
How about promotions, upgrades and transfers cancelled?
This is not rumor = fact in the uk.
Excitement - really?
Guys n girls save your 30k. It will go along way in other companys.
Is this an MOL love in?
Obviously not been in the company long enough?
Had any unpaid leave lately?
How about promotions, upgrades and transfers cancelled?
This is not rumor = fact in the uk.
Excitement - really?
Guys n girls save your 30k. It will go along way in other companys.
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LAX makes valid points to a certain extent.
I have been on line with FR for over a year now. One thing that sorely disappoints me is seeing people unprepared to own up to the realities of life as a pilot in Ryanair. You have to go in to the job with eyes wide open. Too many people let themselves down on this front.
My TR course consisted of a great number of individuals who believed FR was the answer to all their wants and desires. They had an overinflated opinion of how much money they would make, how long it would take them to command, what base they would fly from and how they would be treated in general. It is these people who now are moaning to anyone who listens. They become part of the 'doom and gloom' rumour mill and feed all the FR haters with the ammunition which they crave.
I have often said 'Ryanair aren't perfect.' I have also said if you are realistic about the company, it isn't bad either. I'm not going to start a 'what's good and what ain't so good' thread - you can check my others posts on the subject should you want to? All I am going to say is that any newbee needs to own up to the fact that you could be treated in the same way as anyone else here. Unpaid leave happens when you don't want it to or least expect it, command upgrades get cancelled, one month you will fly 95 hours, the other month 45 hours, you may be based where you don't want to be, you may think you are getting as transfer and suddenly you aren't. Be prepared for it. It happens - not to every one, no way - but it happens.
So far I have been luckey. Things have went well enough. It hasn't been without its hardships but I was aware that the hardships were there beforehand. I know what path I'd like to take in the company and in all honestly it is a reality. There may be a few spanners thrown in the works along the way, you may as well plan for these rather than approach it with the 'it won't happen to me' attitude.
I'm sure some 'haters' will come back and laugh now. That I willingly signed up to all this. In all honesty I maintain that I don't regret it. I will fight my corner without ever becoming disillusional. FR works for me because I work within its pitfalls. I would prefer not to, but that's life. I maintain a pragmatic approach to it all. The airline business doesn't belong to idealists' and Ryanair certainly isn't for everyone.
Enough of my opinions. And remember they are just opinions and everyone is entitled to them. (Saving myself from death by pprune).
I have been on line with FR for over a year now. One thing that sorely disappoints me is seeing people unprepared to own up to the realities of life as a pilot in Ryanair. You have to go in to the job with eyes wide open. Too many people let themselves down on this front.
My TR course consisted of a great number of individuals who believed FR was the answer to all their wants and desires. They had an overinflated opinion of how much money they would make, how long it would take them to command, what base they would fly from and how they would be treated in general. It is these people who now are moaning to anyone who listens. They become part of the 'doom and gloom' rumour mill and feed all the FR haters with the ammunition which they crave.
I have often said 'Ryanair aren't perfect.' I have also said if you are realistic about the company, it isn't bad either. I'm not going to start a 'what's good and what ain't so good' thread - you can check my others posts on the subject should you want to? All I am going to say is that any newbee needs to own up to the fact that you could be treated in the same way as anyone else here. Unpaid leave happens when you don't want it to or least expect it, command upgrades get cancelled, one month you will fly 95 hours, the other month 45 hours, you may be based where you don't want to be, you may think you are getting as transfer and suddenly you aren't. Be prepared for it. It happens - not to every one, no way - but it happens.
So far I have been luckey. Things have went well enough. It hasn't been without its hardships but I was aware that the hardships were there beforehand. I know what path I'd like to take in the company and in all honestly it is a reality. There may be a few spanners thrown in the works along the way, you may as well plan for these rather than approach it with the 'it won't happen to me' attitude.
I'm sure some 'haters' will come back and laugh now. That I willingly signed up to all this. In all honesty I maintain that I don't regret it. I will fight my corner without ever becoming disillusional. FR works for me because I work within its pitfalls. I would prefer not to, but that's life. I maintain a pragmatic approach to it all. The airline business doesn't belong to idealists' and Ryanair certainly isn't for everyone.
Enough of my opinions. And remember they are just opinions and everyone is entitled to them. (Saving myself from death by pprune).
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Why is it that whenever anybody comes on here and sticks up for RYR or even show that they like them somewhat, they are accused of all sorts! It's sickening to be honest having to read some of the comments posted on here about us, and its the reason why this site is unfortunately getting such a bad name!
If you must know, I've been in this company 2 years now and I've loved every minute of it!
Yes I have had my unpaid leave recently and do you know what, it was great!!! I got the exact month that I requested off and spent 3 weeks of it visiting various ski resorts around the alps (highly recommend Chamonix) and spent the last week at home with my family! To be honest I cannot wait for my next month off!
Recent upgrade to F/O(3 stripes) went fine thank you for asking, just informed BRK about reaching 1500hrs and they took it from there - no problems whatsoever!! I've only transferred base once, and that too went without a hitch!
Regarding the UK, to be honest it doesn't bother me. I really don't feel that this is the right time to be trying to gain recognition and I have no interest in ever joining BALPA! Maybe a few years down the line when things have improved I might see this differently, but right now, I only have sympathy for the guys in the UK that don't want recognition and were dragged into this mess by others!
To quote you " Excitement - really?" All I can say is yes, and I really don't know what type of person would not get excited at the thoughts of starting any TR! This is exactly the reason why most of us even bother starting out in the first place, to get into the RHS of any jet! And with RYR it just so happens that most of there planes are brand new/ very young and ultra-modern! How couldn't you get excited?
When I look back, that 30K spent on the TR was probably the best choice I ever made, but thats just me! I'm not going to tell anyone what they should do with there money and its there choice in the end!
In relation to Callsign Kilos post any newbee out there should pay great attention to it! I have been able to paint a lovely picture of my time in RYR but thats just me, everyone calls me a lucky b*st*rd and I suppose when I think about it I am! Some F/O's with the same hours as me have had totally different experiences with the company and can't wait to leave. But most of these like CK said went in with their eyes wide shut!
Regards,
Why is it that whenever anybody comes on here and sticks up for RYR or even show that they like them somewhat, they are accused of all sorts! It's sickening to be honest having to read some of the comments posted on here about us, and its the reason why this site is unfortunately getting such a bad name!
If you must know, I've been in this company 2 years now and I've loved every minute of it!
Yes I have had my unpaid leave recently and do you know what, it was great!!! I got the exact month that I requested off and spent 3 weeks of it visiting various ski resorts around the alps (highly recommend Chamonix) and spent the last week at home with my family! To be honest I cannot wait for my next month off!
Recent upgrade to F/O(3 stripes) went fine thank you for asking, just informed BRK about reaching 1500hrs and they took it from there - no problems whatsoever!! I've only transferred base once, and that too went without a hitch!
Regarding the UK, to be honest it doesn't bother me. I really don't feel that this is the right time to be trying to gain recognition and I have no interest in ever joining BALPA! Maybe a few years down the line when things have improved I might see this differently, but right now, I only have sympathy for the guys in the UK that don't want recognition and were dragged into this mess by others!
To quote you " Excitement - really?" All I can say is yes, and I really don't know what type of person would not get excited at the thoughts of starting any TR! This is exactly the reason why most of us even bother starting out in the first place, to get into the RHS of any jet! And with RYR it just so happens that most of there planes are brand new/ very young and ultra-modern! How couldn't you get excited?
When I look back, that 30K spent on the TR was probably the best choice I ever made, but thats just me! I'm not going to tell anyone what they should do with there money and its there choice in the end!
In relation to Callsign Kilos post any newbee out there should pay great attention to it! I have been able to paint a lovely picture of my time in RYR but thats just me, everyone calls me a lucky b*st*rd and I suppose when I think about it I am! Some F/O's with the same hours as me have had totally different experiences with the company and can't wait to leave. But most of these like CK said went in with their eyes wide shut!
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Hi,
Sounds like you already know the answer to your question but are looking for some reassurance?!
There are plenty of candidates ahead of you waiting for TR dates.I would say the chances of you having a start date this year are zero.
If I were you I would wait to do your MCC.Even after a couple of months of doing the course, I would suggest it will start to become a distant memory!Currency is everything in this proffession,so better to do it as close to a confirmed start date as possible.Remember if you are offered a place,you should have a choice of dates,especially in these uncertain times!
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Sounds like you already know the answer to your question but are looking for some reassurance?!
There are plenty of candidates ahead of you waiting for TR dates.I would say the chances of you having a start date this year are zero.
If I were you I would wait to do your MCC.Even after a couple of months of doing the course, I would suggest it will start to become a distant memory!Currency is everything in this proffession,so better to do it as close to a confirmed start date as possible.Remember if you are offered a place,you should have a choice of dates,especially in these uncertain times!
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I am not bad mouthing the company. The job, flying, aircraft, training etc etc are great, the politics played by the management is rediculus. In return for loyalty its threats, threats, threats - you know it.
I agree balpas timing couldnt be worse and i dont agree with it either. But what is going on in the uk should concern you - what about your command upgrade, promotion or if you need to transfer bases for maybe a personal reason.
The point i am making to wanabees as an insider is right now is that with the politics being played out internally save your 30k, dont put yourself under financial pressure for RYR, sit tight and wait until the economy recovers and the job market starts to move.
I am not bad mouthing the company. The job, flying, aircraft, training etc etc are great, the politics played by the management is rediculus. In return for loyalty its threats, threats, threats - you know it.
I agree balpas timing couldnt be worse and i dont agree with it either. But what is going on in the uk should concern you - what about your command upgrade, promotion or if you need to transfer bases for maybe a personal reason.
The point i am making to wanabees as an insider is right now is that with the politics being played out internally save your 30k, dont put yourself under financial pressure for RYR, sit tight and wait until the economy recovers and the job market starts to move.
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ryanair is great.thats why so many experienced guys with jobs are desperate to join.unpaid leave,run by a tyrant,no permenant contracts,no permenant bases,employed by crookfield,no crew food, no tea no coffee,pay for your own lpc/opc,no pension,pay for your own uniform,airline continuously erodes your terms,no command upgrades in uk,live the dream
ps almost forgot,35k euro for all this.cheap at twice the price.can i join too please mr o leary sir?
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Blackred1443- I think you're missing the point, the title of this thread is 'Are Ryanair still taking on FO's', not 'Let's all have a moan about ryanair'. Blind as well as ignorant are we? You must be one hell of a touch typist 
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i'm merely listing ryrs terms, now if you choose to see it as moaning my smiling friend then so be it.why would anyone want to moan about ryr,its truly a fantastic looking deal on paper.the blind/ignorant thing is quite amusing though, you have made me laugh today.pot and kettle and all that!
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Ok this is what makes me really angry - Blackred is incorrect.
Ryanair pilots are provided with a £5000 lump sum to cover sim travel, carparking, medical, licence and uniform costs. Those on Brookfield contracts are told BEFORE they sign the contract that their hourly rate is increased slightly to cover these expenses. I'd much rather get my 75.5 E an hour rather than say 65 and not have to pay for anything. I don't even drink the precious tea and coffee people harp on about until they are blue in the face.
There IS a pension at Ryanair. I am PERMANENTLY based where I choose to be - if I had a problem I would walk next door and ask the director of flight ops in person. After all, that's what he's there for.
Also, (I am willing to be corrected) my typerating was 28750E, including my base check. Other operators will charge a similar amount for a similar rating.
Oh, and one last note to pressman - I have no 15kt crosswind limit. That is applied to pilots with two stripes - it is not a function of hours on type. If you want the Ops Manual reference, I shall provide it.
Horgy
Ryanair pilots are provided with a £5000 lump sum to cover sim travel, carparking, medical, licence and uniform costs. Those on Brookfield contracts are told BEFORE they sign the contract that their hourly rate is increased slightly to cover these expenses. I'd much rather get my 75.5 E an hour rather than say 65 and not have to pay for anything. I don't even drink the precious tea and coffee people harp on about until they are blue in the face.
There IS a pension at Ryanair. I am PERMANENTLY based where I choose to be - if I had a problem I would walk next door and ask the director of flight ops in person. After all, that's what he's there for.
Also, (I am willing to be corrected) my typerating was 28750E, including my base check. Other operators will charge a similar amount for a similar rating.
Oh, and one last note to pressman - I have no 15kt crosswind limit. That is applied to pilots with two stripes - it is not a function of hours on type. If you want the Ops Manual reference, I shall provide it.
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MrHorgy, you talk like people are offered a choice as to whether they would like a Ryanair contract or a Brookfield contract.
It's now 33000E I believe.
I am sure they do but proper ones don't make you pay at all. A reduced intial salary or bond is perfectly acceptable but paying like this is a disgrace, but anyway......
On the Brookfield contract which is the only way for starters now? No I didn't think so.
I'd rather have the £5K - a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.
You see it all depends on what spin you put on things.
Seriously, if Ryanair is the only way - do something else. Ryanairs style of recruitment is not sustainable, people are going to end out being VERY out of pocket, out of a job and without a leg to stand on.
WWW has summed it up nicely.
my typerating was 28750E, including my base check
Other operators will charge a similar amount for a similar rating.
There IS a pension at Ryanair
Ryanair pilots are provided with a £5000 lump sum to cover sim travel, carparking, medical, licence and uniform costs. Those on Brookfield contracts are told BEFORE they sign the contract that their hourly rate is increased slightly to cover these expenses. I'd much rather get my 75.5 E an hour rather than say 65 and not have to pay for anything.
You see it all depends on what spin you put on things.
Seriously, if Ryanair is the only way - do something else. Ryanairs style of recruitment is not sustainable, people are going to end out being VERY out of pocket, out of a job and without a leg to stand on.
WWW has summed it up nicely.