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As far as getting Australian PR/working visas go.. it's really not hard for Poms (compared to people from some other backgrounds), especially those with appropriate qualifications. So... stop complaining, and count yourself lucky!
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BBC NEWS | Business | Airline Qantas to cut 1,500 jobs
copy and paste the link, don't think you'll have much chance at the moment.
Incidently don't worry about spelling QANTAS properly as it is not a word, it is in fact an acronym for Queensland and Northern Territories Air Service.
copy and paste the link, don't think you'll have much chance at the moment.
Incidently don't worry about spelling QANTAS properly as it is not a word, it is in fact an acronym for Queensland and Northern Territories Air Service.
PPRuNe Handmaiden
You're close.
Try Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services.
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These guys take it very seriously in the interview process that you (the prospective pilot) know who they are, their history, their fleets and the current challenges.
Try Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services.
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These guys take it very seriously in the interview process that you (the prospective pilot) know who they are, their history, their fleets and the current challenges.
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Good luck all you job hunting blokes
As a matter of interest when I was a bit younger and living in Western Queensland we did call it QUANTAS and we took it to stand for Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Services Pty Ltd as we saw painted on the signs at Charleville and Cloncurry and other places 
I think it was in the late 1950's that some lucky painting contractor got to go around and paint QANTAS on everything .....
As a matter of interest when I was a bit younger and living in Western Queensland we did call it QUANTAS and we took it to stand for Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Services Pty Ltd as we saw painted on the signs at Charleville and Cloncurry and other places I think it was in the late 1950's that some lucky painting contractor got to go around and paint QANTAS on everything .....
Have a good look at BA. Its quite amazing that they don't prioritise British nationals for their jobs.
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When will we invest in our own future!!
I think the point that fullflaps was trying to make is that British airlines should fill vacancies with British passport holders first and then people with right of abode such as EU nationals or those with ancestral rights.
If however this is not what he/she meant then it certainly is what I think!! We should do what every other nation seems to do better than us and that is employ British born, British passport holders first and then others if the standards cannot be reached. German, Dutch, French and Spanish airlines do this all the time why we don't do the same is a mystery.
Just before someone asks do I mean by that that we should take less qualified Brits instead of better qualified other nationality pilots with right of work/abode.... errmmmm yes why not British pilots are unlikely to get the experience they need and then leave British aviation when they have taken what they needed so why wouldn't you.
If however this is not what he/she meant then it certainly is what I think!! We should do what every other nation seems to do better than us and that is employ British born, British passport holders first and then others if the standards cannot be reached. German, Dutch, French and Spanish airlines do this all the time why we don't do the same is a mystery.
Just before someone asks do I mean by that that we should take less qualified Brits instead of better qualified other nationality pilots with right of work/abode.... errmmmm yes why not British pilots are unlikely to get the experience they need and then leave British aviation when they have taken what they needed so why wouldn't you.
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I find it puzzling that in one breath FlapsFullRetard slags non UK pilots for taking the jobs and in another slams them because later they will leave the UK and take that experience away. Which is it, does he want them here or not?
It would be a sad day if the airlines were put in charge of policing the borders or determining immigration policy. This is for Parliament to legislate and the Home Office and the UK Border Agency to police. Complaints about unfairness or perceived economic harm should go to one's MP, not Pprune, unless one merely wants to vent and doesn't really care deep down if it ever changes.
It would be a sad day if the airlines were put in charge of policing the borders or determining immigration policy. This is for Parliament to legislate and the Home Office and the UK Border Agency to police. Complaints about unfairness or perceived economic harm should go to one's MP, not Pprune, unless one merely wants to vent and doesn't really care deep down if it ever changes.
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No one is asking the airlines to replace immigration policy. I think the point here is not about being racist or xenophobic, I have made no mention of race, colour or creed the only issue here is passport. It would be racist to assume that having a British passport assumes anything other than that you are British. This issue here is about non EU passport holders. Many other countries put their nationals first and we don't which is why our economy is slowing compared to the other major European nations.
I have no problem with a controlled immigration policy that works on a points system whereby only those people of significant economic or educational, etc benefit are allowed to apply to live and work here. Before you tell me that we have a fair system, please tell me why asylum seekers and economic migrants queue up in France to get to UK having travelled from places like Eritrea, Iran, India, etc if their lot was so bad they would be content to be out of their home country where they have left to avoid war, pestilence, famine or maybe just a lack of prospects. Why would they choose UK over France, Germany, etc could it be because we have the weaker immigration policy.
The caveat should however be that work permits are ONLY given when a British airline can demonstrate that they CANNOT fill their cockpits with a qualified British or EU passport holder (in that order)
i.e. I genuinely believe that you should turn down a suitably qualified national from ANY country other than Britain with 4000hrs in favour of a 2500hr British pilot for a Captains position as an example.
I assume that the government that you talk of is the same government that allows the DfT and CAA to do nothing about the appalling attitude of security staff at our major airports which causes many of us daily misery. The same government that sends our troops under equipped to war. The same government that squanders money on people too idle to help themselves which it could spend on those who actually deserve helping and the same government that is meant to be watching over people like Haringey council. Is this the government of which you speak because their track record of doing the right thing at the right time is hardly glowing.
Would be nice if they got tough on newly qualified CPL debt, tough on the causes of newly qualified CPL debt...
I have no problem with a controlled immigration policy that works on a points system whereby only those people of significant economic or educational, etc benefit are allowed to apply to live and work here. Before you tell me that we have a fair system, please tell me why asylum seekers and economic migrants queue up in France to get to UK having travelled from places like Eritrea, Iran, India, etc if their lot was so bad they would be content to be out of their home country where they have left to avoid war, pestilence, famine or maybe just a lack of prospects. Why would they choose UK over France, Germany, etc could it be because we have the weaker immigration policy.
The caveat should however be that work permits are ONLY given when a British airline can demonstrate that they CANNOT fill their cockpits with a qualified British or EU passport holder (in that order)
i.e. I genuinely believe that you should turn down a suitably qualified national from ANY country other than Britain with 4000hrs in favour of a 2500hr British pilot for a Captains position as an example.
I assume that the government that you talk of is the same government that allows the DfT and CAA to do nothing about the appalling attitude of security staff at our major airports which causes many of us daily misery. The same government that sends our troops under equipped to war. The same government that squanders money on people too idle to help themselves which it could spend on those who actually deserve helping and the same government that is meant to be watching over people like Haringey council. Is this the government of which you speak because their track record of doing the right thing at the right time is hardly glowing.
Would be nice if they got tough on newly qualified CPL debt, tough on the causes of newly qualified CPL debt...
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Vortex....
......you might then want to retract the following from your previous post
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Or perhaps you should actually look up 'xenophobic' in the dictionary.
employ British born, British passport holders first
Or perhaps you should actually look up 'xenophobic' in the dictionary.
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Its about economy not xenophobia
Xenophobia is an intense dislike and/or fear of people from other countries.
Trimmed flaps maybe you want to open your mind and perhaps your eyes. I do not in any way advocate racism, xenophobia or anything of that ilk you are waaay off mark if you think that.
I mean exactly what I said. British born applicants with British passports implies nothing other than the fact that they are British not any race, colour or creed. I have much family and friends who are Canadian, US citizens and South African or Australian and would rather see them unemployed in UK and a British pilot I have never met employed as this is what is best for our economy.
I think that we should do as every other country willingly does in Europe if not in the world and employ our own pilots first. Why?
If you can buy a British product that is as good you should buy that, if you can use a British service industry over a foreign one you should BUT only if it is at least the same standard. If the British industry cannot come up with a suitable good then you should buy the import.
Why because the revenue stays in our economy, employs our workers. This means that we have more employment, more employment = more tax raised = stronger economy = more investment & more exporting thus creating an even stronger economy etc. You are investing in your country so that British businessess can pay more than competitor countries thus keeping our talent who can be suitably rewarded.
I drive a German car, use Microsoft software and own a Finnish mobile phone why because I cannot get better value for money and longevity for THAT product.
If the British government had more tax raised and spent more on our schools and university then our workers would be better qualified. If they were better qualified then they would make them more attractive to young talented Brits
this would lead to innovation and better products. Better products = increased revenue which means companies can invest more on R&D and attracting and retaining the top talent. This means even better products and the cycle goes on. perhaps if this was the case I would have a suitable British choice but to be honest we don't which is why Nokia and Sony are up there in the market.
All in all it means that our children will have better opportunity in a nice strong market economy rather than having to go and work for German or US firms because British firms do not pay enough or do not have the money to invest in innovation.
Training a national from another country to go back to their own country and make their economy stronger is not investing in the future of British aviation.
This is not xenophobia if we are to become the United States of Europe with a completely free economy and employment then this is fine with me but that should mean that I have as much chance of getting into Lufthansa, KLM or Air France as I have of getting British Airways. Condor and Thomas Cook should see me as exactly the same product. I think we know that the market (languages aside) does not work that way elsewhere and until it does we should protect our own economy first by employing British pilots first and other nation pilots 2nd.
This is not about hatred or fear this is purely about the future of our countries industry.
......you might then want to retract the following from your previous post
Trimmed flaps maybe you want to open your mind and perhaps your eyes. I do not in any way advocate racism, xenophobia or anything of that ilk you are waaay off mark if you think that.
I mean exactly what I said. British born applicants with British passports implies nothing other than the fact that they are British not any race, colour or creed. I have much family and friends who are Canadian, US citizens and South African or Australian and would rather see them unemployed in UK and a British pilot I have never met employed as this is what is best for our economy.
I think that we should do as every other country willingly does in Europe if not in the world and employ our own pilots first. Why?
If you can buy a British product that is as good you should buy that, if you can use a British service industry over a foreign one you should BUT only if it is at least the same standard. If the British industry cannot come up with a suitable good then you should buy the import.
Why because the revenue stays in our economy, employs our workers. This means that we have more employment, more employment = more tax raised = stronger economy = more investment & more exporting thus creating an even stronger economy etc. You are investing in your country so that British businessess can pay more than competitor countries thus keeping our talent who can be suitably rewarded.
I drive a German car, use Microsoft software and own a Finnish mobile phone why because I cannot get better value for money and longevity for THAT product.
If the British government had more tax raised and spent more on our schools and university then our workers would be better qualified. If they were better qualified then they would make them more attractive to young talented Brits
this would lead to innovation and better products. Better products = increased revenue which means companies can invest more on R&D and attracting and retaining the top talent. This means even better products and the cycle goes on. perhaps if this was the case I would have a suitable British choice but to be honest we don't which is why Nokia and Sony are up there in the market.
All in all it means that our children will have better opportunity in a nice strong market economy rather than having to go and work for German or US firms because British firms do not pay enough or do not have the money to invest in innovation.
Training a national from another country to go back to their own country and make their economy stronger is not investing in the future of British aviation.
This is not xenophobia if we are to become the United States of Europe with a completely free economy and employment then this is fine with me but that should mean that I have as much chance of getting into Lufthansa, KLM or Air France as I have of getting British Airways. Condor and Thomas Cook should see me as exactly the same product. I think we know that the market (languages aside) does not work that way elsewhere and until it does we should protect our own economy first by employing British pilots first and other nation pilots 2nd.
This is not about hatred or fear this is purely about the future of our countries industry.
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Vortex old chum, it is you who is blinded. Perhaps you should re-read what others have posted.
I (and others) take offence to the the fact you believe you must be born in Britain to be British!!
My passport is the same as yours matey and Im proud of my heritage (both sides of it).
Whilst my accent may be different, sadly for you, my pilots license is JAR.
Having worked many many years in the UK I cant say I have ever flown with such a p!ss weak cry baby with such a hard done by attitude.
For the record I know many British pilots working in Europe. I suggest the difference between them and you is they actaully got off their computer!
Now stop crying in your pint glass and let it go..... You are hanging on too tight.
I agree with the view of Trimmed.
MAX
Proud to be British but born elsewhere!!
I (and others) take offence to the the fact you believe you must be born in Britain to be British!!
My passport is the same as yours matey and Im proud of my heritage (both sides of it).
Whilst my accent may be different, sadly for you, my pilots license is JAR.
Having worked many many years in the UK I cant say I have ever flown with such a p!ss weak cry baby with such a hard done by attitude.
For the record I know many British pilots working in Europe. I suggest the difference between them and you is they actaully got off their computer!
Now stop crying in your pint glass and let it go..... You are hanging on too tight.
I agree with the view of Trimmed.
MAX
Proud to be British but born elsewhere!!
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MAX You need to reread my post.
I DO NOT believe that you have to be born in Britain to be British.
I DO NOT believe that those born outside of Britain should not be entitled to British Citizenship, British Subjecture, British Protected Status, et al
I further DO NOT believe that EU citizens should not have the right to live and work across Europe. I have lived and worked in other European countries!
I'm not crying about anything and don't feel remotely hard done by. It does not affect me at all at my stage of my career and it was being on my computer that got me the job I have! Also can't help that notice that you have more posts/length of time on this forum that I. Pot. Kettle?
My point is a point of order about the future of British Aviation. It is unfair to label someone xenophobic because they do not agree with you. I respect your view, which you are entitled to and I am willing to defend your right to have it but I differ in my opinion and that is my right and I would expect you to do me the same courteousy without insinuating that I dislike or fear other nationalities.
I would be happy to be second in the queue in Holland to a Dutch pilot or the same in Poland, Germany etc. I think that it should be one rule for all. We should either all take our own nationalities first or equally select from a whole EU/JAR pool equally. Frankly I don't care which but it should be the same everywhere. It isn't and it is that with which I disagree.
Some people have a different view to you get over it or argue your point but name calling is for those without the intellectual horsepower to back up their argument with something of substance.
I DO NOT believe that you have to be born in Britain to be British.
I DO NOT believe that those born outside of Britain should not be entitled to British Citizenship, British Subjecture, British Protected Status, et al
I further DO NOT believe that EU citizens should not have the right to live and work across Europe. I have lived and worked in other European countries!
I'm not crying about anything and don't feel remotely hard done by. It does not affect me at all at my stage of my career and it was being on my computer that got me the job I have! Also can't help that notice that you have more posts/length of time on this forum that I. Pot. Kettle?
My point is a point of order about the future of British Aviation. It is unfair to label someone xenophobic because they do not agree with you. I respect your view, which you are entitled to and I am willing to defend your right to have it but I differ in my opinion and that is my right and I would expect you to do me the same courteousy without insinuating that I dislike or fear other nationalities.
I would be happy to be second in the queue in Holland to a Dutch pilot or the same in Poland, Germany etc. I think that it should be one rule for all. We should either all take our own nationalities first or equally select from a whole EU/JAR pool equally. Frankly I don't care which but it should be the same everywhere. It isn't and it is that with which I disagree.
Some people have a different view to you get over it or argue your point but name calling is for those without the intellectual horsepower to back up their argument with something of substance.
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Are you serious?
The future of British aviation!! Great spin chum.
Unless you spell xenophobia with a 'W' then no-one labelled you a thing.
No-one with a bag of experience will be falling into line behind you should you have to hit the job trail again.
The truth hurts, as will the trampling.
Trimmed.
Unless you spell xenophobia with a 'W' then no-one labelled you a thing.
No-one with a bag of experience will be falling into line behind you should you have to hit the job trail again.
The truth hurts, as will the trampling.
Trimmed.
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Is that what you will teach your children?
Peoples willingness to put themselves above others, even when it is not the correct thing to do does not make it correct.
I am not saying I expect that people will put anything other than themselves first. What I am saying is that they sometimes SHOULD. The fact that people rarely choose to look further than their own bank balance is the reason that this country is slowly but surely going to the dogs and being overtaken by other countries in many aspects. The values you subscribe to appear to be those of the US not the UK IMHO.
Is my view idealistic, perhaps. Will things get better, unlikely.
Does that mean that I should give up hoping that the world will become a better place where people put their country first and themselves second, no I won't. Does that mean that I should give up hope that British firms will look past their next quarter into the next decade, no I won't.
I just hope that there are enough people like me out their to bring up their children so that they will be willing to go out and fight for YOUR right to put yourself first and those who provided you with that right second.
The difference I fear will be lost on you as you now it is the end of November. People like Max tout pride of their heritage but seemingly have probably forgotten the price paid in blood to make that heritage. People like you use words like xenophobic when I fear and/or dislike no one due to thier nationality.
Will the trampling hurt? Probably but I was built such that even if I die for what I believe in then it is worth it. Luckily for you people are built like me or you wouldn't have the right to scoff and then trample....
I am not saying I expect that people will put anything other than themselves first. What I am saying is that they sometimes SHOULD. The fact that people rarely choose to look further than their own bank balance is the reason that this country is slowly but surely going to the dogs and being overtaken by other countries in many aspects. The values you subscribe to appear to be those of the US not the UK IMHO.
Is my view idealistic, perhaps. Will things get better, unlikely.
Does that mean that I should give up hoping that the world will become a better place where people put their country first and themselves second, no I won't. Does that mean that I should give up hope that British firms will look past their next quarter into the next decade, no I won't.
I just hope that there are enough people like me out their to bring up their children so that they will be willing to go out and fight for YOUR right to put yourself first and those who provided you with that right second.
The difference I fear will be lost on you as you now it is the end of November. People like Max tout pride of their heritage but seemingly have probably forgotten the price paid in blood to make that heritage. People like you use words like xenophobic when I fear and/or dislike no one due to thier nationality.
Will the trampling hurt? Probably but I was built such that even if I die for what I believe in then it is worth it. Luckily for you people are built like me or you wouldn't have the right to scoff and then trample....
