Ryanair Recruitment Plans

[doctordoom]

Ryanair only take about 25% of people that go for a sim check that makes 75% of people that cant make the grade. The way you guys are talking you would think Ryanair would take any fool, this is just not the case.

[its easy]

dear oh dear

I have never written in reply to a thread and I am so pleased to say it will be my last.

There is such a negative and totally unproffesional attitude it makes me wonder what you are actually doing- are you actually in employment or in training?

How much is 'chinese whispers'?

1. If someone wishes to go to OAA, fine-it's a free world. Surely no body would criticise you for which university you attended

2. If someone wishes to go to Ryanair or pay for the type rating, fine it's a free world. It is unfortunately the way the world and its economics has changed.

3. Ryanair makes £0 from TR's-the money is paid to relevant academy, ie Oxford Stockholm or CAE. and interviews cost nothing, just sim time.

4. It's not a case of any tom, dick or harry can walk in to RYR as eluded to by wheelie bollock talker.

Doctor doom & radar controller I salute your intelligent input.
The fact is there are constant interviews and sim checks not to 'make money' but because there are 110 737-800's being delivered over coming years & alot who attend do not make the grade, so the search is ongoing.

So the reason alot of people end up at ryr is not because they can't cut it elsewhere, it's just there are not the vacancies for them elsewhere.

And me? I spent my own money, full time theorythen USA & airways UK schools, RYR MCC & TR. Oh Along with money probs & herniated lumbar disc to deal with..
Pretty good to be on nearly £50 at end of first year though

Good luck one and all, i wish you the best in your journey.

Out.

[shaun ryder]

Wheelie bin

Would love to be on night stop with this one.




Yawn..

[Chewie von Nubbins]

Any forecasted furloughs being announced by RYR yet on a company wide scale?

[captain_rossco]

Are you at oxford Wheeliebin, come and find me. The oxford wall is not by any stretch comprehensive. Silly comment.

[Callsign Kilo]

Speaking as an FR FO and ex modular student (non Oxford) OAA cadets on my course did little to endear my opinion of them. I accept that not everyone can be tarred with the same brush, however there was a lot of sneering going on about course mates who had ended up flying Dash 8s. Others felt they had the God given right to be at BA. The only thing I was sneering at was that their intial training cost them an extra 35K over mine! And I could see F all difference in the end product!

[inner]

Ok, i don't work RYR and i know you have to pay a lot BUT if you are in there you do a lot of hours, gain experience and the pay is not that bad.

After tax deduction, social security costs and pension scheme you still should have between 2000 and 3000 eur a month, perhaps more.

Not bad for a starting job.

grtz

[wheelie my boeing]

Ok, so why is it that FO's are being told to expect between 400 and 500 hours this year as 250 FO's are to be recruited in the winter... waaaaaaait? Don't they get paid per SCHEDULED block hour as well? So, if you are flying between 400 and 500 hours this year, you can take a swipe off that amount as you aren't going to be on time ALL the time, right??
Ah well... they are a fantastic airline after all. I mean, come on, you even get to bring your own sandwiches to work! AND WATER? Blimey.
Back to serious stuff though, if you are doing between 400 and 500 hours per year in your first year, then your income will be embarrassing (it's true, like it or not).

[BerksFlyer]

wheelie, I don't understand what you're saying. Most of your fellow OAA integrated students end up at Ryanair, I thought you were saying about how superior APPFO students were? Surely they're above Ryanair and only all those no-hoper modular students, who weren't good enough to get on integrated courses, should be getting these 'rubbish' jobs?

[Diamond_Dog]

There is so much sht on this site.. It makes me laugh.. Especially when it comes to the (Irish) airline I presently work for. Honestly, what are so many people babbling on about? Get in and get on!

I did approx 70h last month and I'm flying approx 100h this month. That's 170h in 2 months. That equates to about 40% of the 400h-500h per year people are touting (or have just read from Pilot's Jobs Network..) on here in just 2 months..

Granted there are many variables such as base, time of year, staffing levels etc.. I would suggest 400-500h would be a pretty conservative estimate of what you might do.. I would say a more reasonable estimate would be 700h-800h.. Some people do more. Especially the skippers right now. (Think about that when considering why alot of FO's are being hired).

Just another random point for people who cry about paying for TR's (don't get me wrong i wish it was free, but honestly, does it come for free anywhere now?)

British Airways as a very good example. (An airline i can now apply to direct entry with my current hours). Free type rating for cadet newbies! Or is it? Direct Entry starting 'basic' salary is approx £48000.. Had I passed selection straight out of integrated school my cadet salary this year would be approx £32000 'basic'. The cadet salary then comes up to meet Direct Entry salary within 5 years. But just looking at year 1. £48000-£32000 =£16000 which BA have just taken toward the TR, Line Training, cuban cigars... whatever. You're down 16 grand in year 1 alone! The disparity would get progressively less over the next 4 years as you come to meet Direct Entry salary but thats 16 grand just in 1 year. What's the final figure? (Rhetorical question).

FR TR on its own costs approx 20 grand. Just THINK about it a bit.. Ok no risk with BA etc as you didnt pay up front but thats all for you to weigh up. Nothing is free anymore. It's just how they do the numbers..

It's all food for thought. I'm not criticizing peoples choices or how any of the airlines work. People need to realise that everything has changed and it will never go back to the way it was. Whatever reasons people want to come up with for that will ultimately change NOTHING!

Airlines will be going bust soon with recession, winter, credit crunch and oil prices (which will increase yet more as the west enters winter). When they do go bust the job market will be saturated with rated and experienced airline pilots. Newbies will then have yet fewer opportunities to get through the door. Alot of people will soon be CPL/IR, no TR, plenty of debt already and a very low chance of getting in the airlines. (That's to add to all the already crowded hold pools). Sad but true.

If you really want this, take the first opportunity you get. Take some risks (as best as you can calculate them). Be prepared to take the rough with the smooth.

For me, i wanted to do this since the day i saw my first plane.. I'm happy spending my working life doing this. I went through alot of sht to get here and asked myself at several points. Is what im doing to myself really worth it? But i made it. It wasn't rosey. It's hard work and it can be very pricey!

I'm an FO on just over 500h. I'm on about 50 grand a year! That's in the region of a prop Captain at Flybe.. Joke isn't it.. Can i complain? Personally I dont really care about money.. Just my debts. When they're dead i may well just leave the airlines and pss off to Africa, knock on doors and find a job with the likes of MAF medivacing people from dirt strips with my stick and rudder skills. Who knows.. Chase your dream, don't hang around umming and arring and reading all this crp. Get in and get on. Get the hours.. Increase the options available to you and with it your potential..

Howard Hughes is long dead (allegedly but almost certainly).. Michael O'leary is very much alive..

Randomness over..

Good luck peeps..

[CamelhAir]

Personally I dont really care about money..

Oh dear, not another 500hr FO "not caring" about money. WTF?? This is a job, not a charity. When you have more than 500hrs and the novelty has worn off, you will care very very much about money. And you will realise that people like you now are ruining your future ambition to make lots of money.
Wake up and smell the coffee. You do a job to earn money. Period. If you wanna play pilot, do it on flight sim and leave the real jobs for the professionals who want to be paid handsomely and deservedly for their services.

I would say 400-500hrs a year for FO's is very likely over the next year, as the FR start grounding the aircraft. Remember there are plenty of willing donkeys coming through the cadet system to keep the numbers topped up. And, crucially, watch all those who plan to leave not doing so as the jobs dry up. The demographics are not on your side. Which, incidentally, screws up the plans of all those "i don't give a f**k , im only here for 2 years" tossers who think they don't need REPA. You're here for the long haul boys and girls, so start looking out for yourselves.
Remember, MOL wanted to pull out of STN entirely until convinced otherwise by MC.

[Diamond_Dog]

I hear you Camelhair. But you do talk alot of crp and it is the same old crp from you all the time. I joined REPA and found it to be about as useless as this website.. I'm a member of BALPA there isn't much else i can do. Like you so well quoted i dont care about money. Some of my friends are on 20 grand a year in their 9-5 desk jobs, 5 days a week. I'm on 50 grand as a newbie at what i do. I'm getting paid that to work 14 days a month. I didn't want to stack shelves from the age of 6. I wanted to be a pilot. So I'm happy. I wouldn't say flying an airliner is much of a hobbie like I would to hands on flying but it is nearer to this for me than shelve stacking. I wasn't around during the cigar smoking days on flight decks. When only the rich could afford to fly as a result of monopoly and high overheads. What should I petition for? 70 grand a year? In todays market (not yester years) my income for my level of experience in this industry is in my view.. reasonable.

Oh no.. I'm getting embroiled.. Until the next time i feel like being sick..

[Lawn Mower]

The backhanders paid by OAA to the various airlines could have something to do with it!

[BerksFlyer]

The backhanders paid by OAA to the various airlines could have something to do with it!

Wouldn't surprise me if that was true!

A kind of 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' deal with the airlines. Airlines get money and pilots, OAA gets money because it boasts that the airlines think OAA is best and hence people pay the premium for their training.

[leeds 65]

camelhair

'Remember there are plenty of willing donkeys coming through the cadet system to keep the numbers topped up.'

silly comment.

as opposed to the 'donkeys' paying for types with the likes of easyjet,flybe etc.or getting 'bonded' by airlines,and then getting small pay packets for the next few years.or the integrated 'donkeys' paying vast sums for the CHANCE to be with BA.

i think its about time you woke and smelt the coffee.airline pay does NOT warrent huge sums.your not a bloody rare brain surgeon in demand.oaa churns out hundreds each year.and thats one flight school.

i cant stand snobbery and do gooders,put the head down,push lnav/vnav and earn your tidy number.As opposed to your mate workin like a ...... on a buildin site earning half your amount.

camelhair seems to think

pilot= licence for amazing pay,free gym membership,free golf membership,free worldwide travel for half the extended family,free hotels,free car rentals etc etc

i think your deluded sadly,your believing the oaa marketing.

back on topic!=ryanair im sure will stop recruiting prob for a few months then start up again.there will be plenty of willing and able 'donkeys' i can assue you.and great

[BerksFlyer]

as opposed to the 'donkeys' paying for types with the likes of easyjet,flybe etc.or getting 'bonded' by airlines,and then getting small pay packets for the next few years.or the integrated 'donkeys' paying vast sums for the CHANCE to be with BA

flybe don't charge for TR, easyjet pay you during training.

back on topic!=ryanair im sure will stop recruiting prob for a few months then start up again.there will be plenty of willing and able 'donkeys' i can assue you.and great

As is well documented, they make a profit from training cadets, so I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Leeds 65,

I understand what you're saying, but I don't know why you wouldn't want to be paid as much as possible and be treated as well as possible. Pilots seem to the only professionals so keen on talking themselves down. I don't understand it! You don't see this attitude from any other profession. It's in your best interest to get apaid well and be treated well and I can't see why you would want to talk yourself down as a professional who is well trained and skilled. Pilots are skilled and do have a lot of responsibility, why can't pilots pull together and hope for the best treatment they can possibly get!?

[tupues]

The problem is you are only on £50k if you get the hours. Flying 900hrs on a brookfield contract will get you £49960 a year. Flying 400 brings you down to around £22k. Thats a pretty sharp pay swing to factor into loan/morgage/car repayment....

[leeds 65]

tupues and berkflyer points taken.yes you will fly less as winter is slow and recession close/in process.so thats a good point.however once your in the door the level of progression and pay is FAST.captain prob 5 years now,good times 3.line training captain,do sfi,tre etc etc.
most legacy carriers progression is slower more years required as fo??

ryr scheme at least there is a job at the end if you work hard,a lot of ctc people are in never ending hold pools etc.

yes pilots have a lot of responsibilty etc.they do get paid well,ryr max is between 160-170 k euro.if your floating you get even more.contract=tax benefits too if your prudent.to expect more than this is pushing the boat however it is welcome!!

BACK ON TOPIC!= iv heard(rumour) ryr will stop recruiting for a while so the newbies can get trained up during the slow winter/recession etc.remember after base training you get paid(small).there not going to have hundreds of cadets getting paid with no opportunity to fly /slower deliveries.it will pick up again tho.plus an airline with loads of newbies and few captains is not sustainable or safe!

[CamelhAir]

BerksFlyer, some sense here thankfully. I echo your comments, why on earth do pilots talk themselves down so much? Too much propaganda from MOL perhaps and 20 years olds like leeds 65 who don't have the life experience to make an independent judgement as to his/her worth.

ryr max is between 160-170 k euro.

Bollox, pure ryr propaganda. Bandying around imaginary figures is not helpful.

camelhair seems to think

pilot= licence for amazing pay,free gym membership,free golf membership,free worldwide travel for half the extended family,free hotels,free car rentals etc etc

Considering I was flying airliners when you were in primary school, I think you'll understand how I'm a little peeved that attitudes like yours have allowed my real take home pay to be cut by an enormous amount in the last few years. You may feel you're not worth much, but plenty of us consider otherwise.

i think its about time you woke and smelt the coffee.airline pay does NOT warrent huge sums.

Why not? When was the last time you dealt with an airbourne emergency and held the lives of 190 people in your hands? Which is 189 more than a brain surgeon is responsible for. Please explain exactly why an airline pilot should be not be compensated for the responsibility he holds. Or perhaps you have no concept of the responsibility, in which case a flight deck is not for you.

plus an airline with loads of newbies and few captains is not sustainable

It's been like this for years.

most legacy carriers progression is slower more years required as fo??

But most legacy carriers pay more to FO's than ryr pay to captains. Ryr captain basic is about the same as EI FO year 1. Sector pay about the same and they also get a proper pension.

[breakbreak]

guess automation played a big part. there is a constant pressure from airline management teams for more computerised systems.
This cuts down the cost of training, maintenance and since pilot's workload is reduced so is the salary.