Ryanair Recruitment Plans
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Ryanair Recruitment Plans
I was at a Ryanair Recruitment Day at Manchester Airport a few months ago. The guys there were pretty straight talking about what you got and what you didn't.
I am still hanging on in my company for redundancy before I make the decision whether to stay or go. A few guys have already jumped to the Ryanair ship and so far seem to be giving positive feedback.
I rang Steve Wood in the recruitment office last week and he was telling me they are planning an Open Day in their East Midlands Training Centre on Tuesday 29th July 2008. I'll probably call in and have another chat. Still a few things I want to clear up.
Are there any more guys and girls out there thinking of making the move?
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
Thanks
I am still hanging on in my company for redundancy before I make the decision whether to stay or go. A few guys have already jumped to the Ryanair ship and so far seem to be giving positive feedback.
I rang Steve Wood in the recruitment office last week and he was telling me they are planning an Open Day in their East Midlands Training Centre on Tuesday 29th July 2008. I'll probably call in and have another chat. Still a few things I want to clear up.
Are there any more guys and girls out there thinking of making the move?
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
Thanks
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I will join if there is a free type rating with bond 
I know the answer to my question as well, " you shouldn't be with ryanair"
I would like to know, how much of ryanair's annual profits is coming from type rating courses?
Any guesses?
I know the answer to my question as well, " you shouldn't be with ryanair"
I would like to know, how much of ryanair's annual profits is coming from type rating courses?
Any guesses?
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I would like to know, how much of ryanair's annual profits is coming from type rating courses
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Ryanair profits from trainees isn't half as big as that made by Oxford from their ATP students, yet no one b*tches about that. Only people that don't want to pay for a type, is those that got ripped off on their integrated course who weren't one of the tiny few who got a job on a 737 400 BA rust bucket...
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And what would their cost base be if they paid f/o's a fair salary during their training?
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yet no one b*tches about that.
Only people that don't want to pay for a type, is those that got ripped off on their integrated course who weren't one of the tiny few who got a job on a 737 400 BA rust bucket..
Ryanair have "employed" 49 OAA cadets which is more than double any other airline (the second was Flybe, who employed 20).
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Oxford students aren't employees, they request the services of Oxford. Ryanair pilots (although it may not look like it) ARE employees, and thus should be treated so.
Plus the "tiny few" of OAA's students who get into BA are placed on the Bus rather than 734... And the BA "rust bucket" 737's are in a much better state than MANY other airlines aircraft and yet they are much older. Some Ryanair 737's that are only 2 years old look far worse than the BA 737's!!!
Plus the "tiny few" of OAA's students who get into BA are placed on the Bus rather than 734... And the BA "rust bucket" 737's are in a much better state than MANY other airlines aircraft and yet they are much older. Some Ryanair 737's that are only 2 years old look far worse than the BA 737's!!!
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Merc you missed my point.
For some reason Oxford ATP grads believe that they deserve certain things once they are done one of those is to not pay for their type.
Fact is, they have the same licence as a mod student who's spent half the amount on their training, only they have 50 hours less flight time in their logbook.
Break break sounds the oxford type...
For some reason Oxford ATP grads believe that they deserve certain things once they are done one of those is to not pay for their type.
Fact is, they have the same licence as a mod student who's spent half the amount on their training, only they have 50 hours less flight time in their logbook.
Break break sounds the oxford type...
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I don't think its fair to generalise OAA students like that, I've met many lazy wannabes (modular & integrated) who believe they deserve to just walk into a job. In my experience, these are the same guys/girls who buy a TR+500 play-hours on type because they are generally not good enough to get a job based on personality, skill, attitude and ability.
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Mercenary pilot - I think that is a very broad statement that you made there and one that I do not believe in what’s so ever! I can’t comment on the recruitment process of any airline as of yet as I still have my IR/MCC to go before i can even start to think about the airlines. But to say that the guys/girls that go to FR are the ones that can not get into any other airline as they do not have the required skills is a very unfair comment! I know a handful of people, all totally amazing guys that I feel would fit in well into any company, (again with no airline experience I’m not the best to comment) that have taken the Ryanair route and have successfully accelerated their flying careers! I am not saying that this is the route for ever pilot, but it does suit some!
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I agree with Mercenary Pilot...
Not to mention the fact that OAA Integrated guys have to pass the selection, and many of those who don't pass the selection do modular training at OAA. Quite a high amount of those who fail the selection at Oxford go on to do the modular training there. So there is more to just a 50 hour difference between the integrated and modular guys at OAA. Don't believe me? Go and sit in on an integrated groundschool class and then sit in on a modular groundschool class. You can guess which one gets through more material (and which one is pure comedy).
Rich, whilst there may be SOME people who would prefer FR over a few other carries, those who do prefer them are a minority and they most likely prefer them over an airline where they may not be gaining jet time... It is still a job, but, don't kid yourself, the vast majority of the grads that do go to Ryanair would MUCH prefer to be somewhere else. The reason they aren't at a different airline? They didn't get in. The reason they didn't get in? They didn't pass selection. The reason they didn't pass selection? JUST AS MERCENARY PILOT SAID: "they are generally not good enough to get a job based on personality, skill, attitude and ability."
If they were good enough to pass selection at the likes of BA/BMI/MON/FC etc then 99.999999% would be at those airlines instead. (many won't admit that upon failing selection at the better airlines of course)
Not to mention the fact that OAA Integrated guys have to pass the selection, and many of those who don't pass the selection do modular training at OAA. Quite a high amount of those who fail the selection at Oxford go on to do the modular training there. So there is more to just a 50 hour difference between the integrated and modular guys at OAA. Don't believe me? Go and sit in on an integrated groundschool class and then sit in on a modular groundschool class. You can guess which one gets through more material (and which one is pure comedy).
Rich, whilst there may be SOME people who would prefer FR over a few other carries, those who do prefer them are a minority and they most likely prefer them over an airline where they may not be gaining jet time... It is still a job, but, don't kid yourself, the vast majority of the grads that do go to Ryanair would MUCH prefer to be somewhere else. The reason they aren't at a different airline? They didn't get in. The reason they didn't get in? They didn't pass selection. The reason they didn't pass selection? JUST AS MERCENARY PILOT SAID: "they are generally not good enough to get a job based on personality, skill, attitude and ability."
If they were good enough to pass selection at the likes of BA/BMI/MON/FC etc then 99.999999% would be at those airlines instead. (many won't admit that upon failing selection at the better airlines of course)
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FR don't have any sort of hour building scheme. In some ways, its an unfair bond (in FR's favour of course) which is paid up front by the cadets but is still a world apart from paying an airline to sit in the RHS for 500 hours which is what I was referring too.
When I put "employed" in inverted commas I had been looking at OAA's employment statistics which make out like they have had some sort of influence in getting their students into FR which I know is nonsense. Ryanair don't care where there pilots come from (or what school) as long as they pass the interview & sim check....and are prepaired to pay for the TR scheme of course.
Maybe im not being very clear (I've been starring at screens all day
and shattered would be an understatement) but I'm certainly not criticising Ryanair's pilots, I was talking about wannabes who pay for hourbuilding schemes.
My general points were
A/ There is much debate on PPRuNe already about how much OAA charges for their course and is it worth it.
B/ Many OAA students go on to join Ryanairs on the TR schemes, which indicates that they ARE prepaired to pay for a TR.
C/ Not all OAA students believe that they deserve to go straight onto a jet because they went to Oxford. I know a few ex OAA guys/girls and generally I would say they are happy working their way up the ladder and some have no interest whatsoever in flying longhaul jets or for London Airways.
Hope that clears things up?
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Anyway to get thread back on track, IMHO Ryanair will never stop interviewing for pilots even if there's no jobs (or brookfield contracts), because it's a licence for them to print money. What is it, £50 to send the CV and then £250 for the interview £500 for the sim check? Is that about right these days?
Also, of all the people I know who fly for Ryanair, none of them have any intention of staying for the long term.
When I put "employed" in inverted commas I had been looking at OAA's employment statistics which make out like they have had some sort of influence in getting their students into FR which I know is nonsense. Ryanair don't care where there pilots come from (or what school) as long as they pass the interview & sim check....and are prepaired to pay for the TR scheme of course.
Maybe im not being very clear (I've been starring at screens all day
and shattered would be an understatement) but I'm certainly not criticising Ryanair's pilots, I was talking about wannabes who pay for hourbuilding schemes. My general points were
A/ There is much debate on PPRuNe already about how much OAA charges for their course and is it worth it.
B/ Many OAA students go on to join Ryanairs on the TR schemes, which indicates that they ARE prepaired to pay for a TR.
C/ Not all OAA students believe that they deserve to go straight onto a jet because they went to Oxford. I know a few ex OAA guys/girls and generally I would say they are happy working their way up the ladder and some have no interest whatsoever in flying longhaul jets or for London Airways.
Hope that clears things up?
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Anyway to get thread back on track, IMHO Ryanair will never stop interviewing for pilots even if there's no jobs (or brookfield contracts), because it's a licence for them to print money. What is it, £50 to send the CV and then £250 for the interview £500 for the sim check? Is that about right these days?
Also, of all the people I know who fly for Ryanair, none of them have any intention of staying for the long term.
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Is this the five minute off-topic OAA bashing session or the full half hour?
One day I would love to see a thread that doesn't degenerate as soon as someone mentions those 3 words that seem to get people so, so riled. Or do people take things so personally, even when they have nothing to do with said FTO, that they need every possible opportunity to dive in and have a go?
Why not, moderators, start a sticky entitled 'OAA bashing' so that everyone can rant in that as opposed to unrelated threads.
Such as this one, in which I have had my rant.
One day I would love to see a thread that doesn't degenerate as soon as someone mentions those 3 words that seem to get people so, so riled. Or do people take things so personally, even when they have nothing to do with said FTO, that they need every possible opportunity to dive in and have a go?
Why not, moderators, start a sticky entitled 'OAA bashing' so that everyone can rant in that as opposed to unrelated threads.
Such as this one, in which I have had my rant.
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The main reason why people bash at OAA is the sour bitterness they have about not being able to enrol on the APP due to the fianance involved. The other reason may be that they do not like integrated students getting themselves in that all important first job before them.
It is a fact....integrated students will always be in a better position when applying for that first job. Yes, the licences are the same and so is everything else but the majority of integrated students are given career guidance and recommendation to the airlines which most modular students do not get.
OAA is in fact one of the most organised and respected aviation school in the world whether you like it or not. It is a very expensive school but the students are willing to pay for it.
So, if you like OAA get yourself on their course. If you dont, then train elsewhere but keep your bitterness to yourself.
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It is a fact....integrated students will always be in a better position when applying for that first job. Yes, the licences are the same and so is everything else but the majority of integrated students are given career guidance and recommendation to the airlines which most modular students do not get.
OAA is in fact one of the most organised and respected aviation school in the world whether you like it or not. It is a very expensive school but the students are willing to pay for it.
So, if you like OAA get yourself on their course. If you dont, then train elsewhere but keep your bitterness to yourself.
SB
And some of us just chuckle that you chose to spend £80k on a basic flying training course and then ended up paying Michael to let you have a type rating to work on a slave contract on a 737.
You may think OAA are organised and respected.
But you are just a customer.
Not really relevant.
WWW
You may think OAA are organised and respected.
But you are just a customer.
Not really relevant.
WWW
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And you guys question why I hardly ever post on here. It's riduculous how this always turns into a slanging match.
It seems everyone is out to have a go at FR and now OAA!!! Maybe we can all find something to critisise but, come on guys, you can not say the aircraft are in bad order. How can you quantify that?
And incidentally, no I am not connected to Ryanair. I am just looking at options for the future.
It seems everyone is out to have a go at FR and now OAA!!! Maybe we can all find something to critisise but, come on guys, you can not say the aircraft are in bad order. How can you quantify that?
And incidentally, no I am not connected to Ryanair. I am just looking at options for the future.
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Very amusing thread, "Oh the modular guys failed to get onto the integrated course", or maybe they just realised that in a climate whereby most people are going to be giving o'leary £20k, why not go modular anyway.
"Sit in on a modular class and sit in on an integrated class blah blah blah", you would cringe at some of the integrated lot coming through OAA at the moment. Nothing special at all.
"Sit in on a modular class and sit in on an integrated class blah blah blah", you would cringe at some of the integrated lot coming through OAA at the moment. Nothing special at all.
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You actually can take a look at how many modular and integrated guys get jobs and at which airlines too. Inside Oxford they place all the names on a wall, and the airline the person goes to is next to their name. Those who haven't got a job aren't on the wall..... You can see who hasn't got a job as each class has it's photo taken and work out the numbers for yourself.
Either way, looking at those results, the integrated lot have a wider variety or airlines and there are several airlines that clearly state they will NOT hire modular students. Now, unless you know more than the flight crew recruiters at some of the largest airlines in Europe, you can't really claim to know more than them. They must say "NO modular" for a reason, right? Ah well... I can almost guess what c*** you will come out with for that too.
Either way, looking at those results, the integrated lot have a wider variety or airlines and there are several airlines that clearly state they will NOT hire modular students. Now, unless you know more than the flight crew recruiters at some of the largest airlines in Europe, you can't really claim to know more than them. They must say "NO modular" for a reason, right? Ah well... I can almost guess what c*** you will come out with for that too.