Ryanair cadet open day
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Cadet day feedback
YYZ,
Yep getting back to the point, the day was, I thought very good, no bull****, the story was told as it is, this is Ryanair, this is what you pay, this is what you get? This is what you get paid?
The pilots we met, also told it how it is, and contary to all the slagging they get on here, if you stay out of office politics (much about the same anywhere) then morale is good, the flying is good, hard work, but then again, what isnt?, but the rewards are there, as the people that work for them will also tell you.
If you have the money to pay for the TR and to survive the line training, then its a good deal compared to some that are around (please no debates about paying for TR's)
The man from Brookfields also gave a presentaion and a set of slides to all there as did the guys from Gecat and CAE and there was also in depth presentation from Ryanair, chance to fly the 737 sim, and visit to the CBT training rooms and also the cabin crew trainer, all in all a very well organised and informative day.
Hope that helps.
Yep getting back to the point, the day was, I thought very good, no bull****, the story was told as it is, this is Ryanair, this is what you pay, this is what you get? This is what you get paid?
The pilots we met, also told it how it is, and contary to all the slagging they get on here, if you stay out of office politics (much about the same anywhere) then morale is good, the flying is good, hard work, but then again, what isnt?, but the rewards are there, as the people that work for them will also tell you.
If you have the money to pay for the TR and to survive the line training, then its a good deal compared to some that are around (please no debates about paying for TR's)
The man from Brookfields also gave a presentaion and a set of slides to all there as did the guys from Gecat and CAE and there was also in depth presentation from Ryanair, chance to fly the 737 sim, and visit to the CBT training rooms and also the cabin crew trainer, all in all a very well organised and informative day.
Hope that helps.
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So far I haven't had any problems with RYR and the feedback I've had from captains/FO's/TRI's is all very positive. I have several friends in the commpany and they are all enjoying it. The TRI's I've met on TR course have been with the company 5+ years and are enjoying it with good money. The training we've had has been superb and contrary to what people might think, they are VERY big on safety. So far they get a thumbs up from me but, as ever, I'm prepared to be proved wrong but won't be surprised if it's all good. 
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Bad boy, firstly let me apologise for taking ages to reply, I am relocating and have not had internet since my last post, however now I can reply to you,
Firstly I think that you have misread the "point" of this post which is about working for ryanair rather than a prop vs jet post, you on the other hand are clearly a prop operator and have taken personal exception to my generalised statement, I would like to state to you that it was not my intention to belittle or piss off any prop operators and Im sure that props are indeed as complex as you say, however I have to say that generally people want to progress on to jets, I know of no pilot that flys a jet who is hoping to move on to a prop and sees that as a step forward in their career - this is the point I was trying to make, if you are such an individual I would suggest that you are the exception rather than the rule.
Let me ask you a straight forward question, if 2 candidates turn up to a jet operator being interviewed to fly a jet, one with 1000 hours jet time and one with 1000 prop hours, who is going to have the advantage in terms of experience for the job?
WD
Firstly I think that you have misread the "point" of this post which is about working for ryanair rather than a prop vs jet post, you on the other hand are clearly a prop operator and have taken personal exception to my generalised statement, I would like to state to you that it was not my intention to belittle or piss off any prop operators and Im sure that props are indeed as complex as you say, however I have to say that generally people want to progress on to jets, I know of no pilot that flys a jet who is hoping to move on to a prop and sees that as a step forward in their career - this is the point I was trying to make, if you are such an individual I would suggest that you are the exception rather than the rule.
Let me ask you a straight forward question, if 2 candidates turn up to a jet operator being interviewed to fly a jet, one with 1000 hours jet time and one with 1000 prop hours, who is going to have the advantage in terms of experience for the job?
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Lord Lardy,
My post was nothing to do with “mines bigger than yours” it was in fact Bad Boy Ragamuffin who decided to create that aspect to this thread with his off the point response to my post.
Im sure you are very experienced and I respect that , I hear what you are saying about an individuals scan and if you do indeed come from an aircraft eg prop that has analogue dials your scan will indeed be suited to those instruments - it has to be, just like if you are on a 738 with glass screens, your scan will be based on that, I dont have the luxury of 1000 hours prop time to make the comparison you do but I do have over 1000 hours now in the 738 and in terms of flying the 738 my scan is fine thank you very much, if I were to go into a prop now I would no doubt struggle with the different presentation in front of me as would anybody being put in front of an unfamiliar presentation, this does not however mean that my 738-scan and ability to fly the 738 is in any way diminished, what I have works nicely and I fly it pretty bloody well actually thanks very much.
I am a professional pilot and don’t particularly like you suggesting that I have “inexperienced dreams” and I can back up anything I post on this site, if you return to the “traditional route” which you will be familiar with due to all your experience, you will know that it would have easily taken 5 years or more on props before getting on to jets. However due to the changes in aviation and what Ryanair offer, ie starting on a 738, you can now jump over the prop years (Im not saying this is a good or a bad thing, its simply a result of the way the aviation industry has turned out and I might add is NOT a fault of the new wannabies.)
WD
My post was nothing to do with “mines bigger than yours” it was in fact Bad Boy Ragamuffin who decided to create that aspect to this thread with his off the point response to my post.
Im sure you are very experienced and I respect that , I hear what you are saying about an individuals scan and if you do indeed come from an aircraft eg prop that has analogue dials your scan will indeed be suited to those instruments - it has to be, just like if you are on a 738 with glass screens, your scan will be based on that, I dont have the luxury of 1000 hours prop time to make the comparison you do but I do have over 1000 hours now in the 738 and in terms of flying the 738 my scan is fine thank you very much, if I were to go into a prop now I would no doubt struggle with the different presentation in front of me as would anybody being put in front of an unfamiliar presentation, this does not however mean that my 738-scan and ability to fly the 738 is in any way diminished, what I have works nicely and I fly it pretty bloody well actually thanks very much.
I am a professional pilot and don’t particularly like you suggesting that I have “inexperienced dreams” and I can back up anything I post on this site, if you return to the “traditional route” which you will be familiar with due to all your experience, you will know that it would have easily taken 5 years or more on props before getting on to jets. However due to the changes in aviation and what Ryanair offer, ie starting on a 738, you can now jump over the prop years (Im not saying this is a good or a bad thing, its simply a result of the way the aviation industry has turned out and I might add is NOT a fault of the new wannabies.)
WD
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Yeah, Pprune seems to send me about 8 notifications of replies, so I'm kinda forced to 
I'd go trousers smart shirt minimum, but I wore shirt and tie and I work here now, so I must have done something right.
Horgy
I'd go trousers smart shirt minimum, but I wore shirt and tie and I work here now, so I must have done something right.
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Ok will do... Hopefully I'll be able to say the same as you in a few months time. How are you finding it there?
People seem to turn their nose up when I say im going along but it seems like a good deal to me. If you dont mind me asking, how many hours etc did you have when you applied?
Feel free to PM the answer if you prefer.
DPT
People seem to turn their nose up when I say im going along but it seems like a good deal to me. If you dont mind me asking, how many hours etc did you have when you applied?
Feel free to PM the answer if you prefer.
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If you are considering the Ryanair route, then good luck, you will need it.
I went to an open day a few months ago. To be really honest apart from the sim and cabin they use for training it was all fluff. Ryanair love to tell you how good they are. Then you get the talk about the job by two pilots, YYZ was one. After that the Job talk and info about Brookfield. The main man kept saying that Ryanair's favourite word is 'Tough'
I felt that this was all a very expensive route into a airline job.
Funnily enough, here I am a few months later being paid to fly 700's and 800's.
I went to an open day a few months ago. To be really honest apart from the sim and cabin they use for training it was all fluff. Ryanair love to tell you how good they are. Then you get the talk about the job by two pilots, YYZ was one. After that the Job talk and info about Brookfield. The main man kept saying that Ryanair's favourite word is 'Tough'
I felt that this was all a very expensive route into a airline job.
Funnily enough, here I am a few months later being paid to fly 700's and 800's.
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Whoopeydoo
Haven't checked back on this forum in a while. In relation to my post above it was was actually in reponse to Stallstrip, more specifically when I said "inexperienced dreams" when he starting taking about hand flying at 38000ft and all the rest etc. The post was not a swipe at you at all. Yes I certainly take your point that the route is now changed to getting that first job. As you said is it a good or a bad thing. Well it's impossible to say. It's certainly not my job to say either way.
Now, time for me to retreat again and let it get back to the original topic.
LL
Haven't checked back on this forum in a while. In relation to my post above it was was actually in reponse to Stallstrip, more specifically when I said "inexperienced dreams" when he starting taking about hand flying at 38000ft and all the rest etc. The post was not a swipe at you at all. Yes I certainly take your point that the route is now changed to getting that first job. As you said is it a good or a bad thing. Well it's impossible to say. It's certainly not my job to say either way.
Now, time for me to retreat again and let it get back to the original topic.
LL
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Hi could someone please clarify a few things for me. Just gained my Frozen ATPL, thinking of going down the Ryanair route. I know I would have to find the funds to pay for the TR; do Ryanair assist you in this, i.e. recommend or put you in touch with a lending provider?
Regards Mark
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Lord Lardy,
Thanks for the clarification, as you copied and pasted a direct quote of mine, I thought that you were having a go, not to worry, its all happy again, like you say let it go back on topic once more
cheers
WD
Thanks for the clarification, as you copied and pasted a direct quote of mine, I thought that you were having a go, not to worry, its all happy again, like you say let it go back on topic once more
cheers
WD
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WHOOPEYDOO,
I agree that a guy with 1000hrs on jet will probalby look more attractive to a jet operator than a guy with 1000hrs on props on paper at least. But if the jet guy is a clown and the prop guy isn't then the prop guy would get hired.
Im sorry, but its this "5 year thing" which I dont quite understand.
you say earlier that "starting with ryan air puts you 5 years ahead of any prop job",
and then in later post you seem to think that one needs to spend 5 years on turboprops before even getting a sniff at a jet. I simply don't agree with your statements. I am indeed a prop pilot and will not deny for one minute that I would like to move on to jets, but only for the better salary if I am honest. With 500 to 1000 prop hrs, which will take me say 1-2 years, Im pretty confident of being able to land a nice jet job with a decent airline.
I agree that a guy with 1000hrs on jet will probalby look more attractive to a jet operator than a guy with 1000hrs on props on paper at least. But if the jet guy is a clown and the prop guy isn't then the prop guy would get hired.
Im sorry, but its this "5 year thing" which I dont quite understand.
you say earlier that "starting with ryan air puts you 5 years ahead of any prop job",
and then in later post you seem to think that one needs to spend 5 years on turboprops before even getting a sniff at a jet. I simply don't agree with your statements. I am indeed a prop pilot and will not deny for one minute that I would like to move on to jets, but only for the better salary if I am honest. With 500 to 1000 prop hrs, which will take me say 1-2 years, Im pretty confident of being able to land a nice jet job with a decent airline.