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Re: Type Rating with Astraeus
Astraeus the Airline, very nice people good company.
The Type Rating - The instructors extreamly good. The training is excellent.
However, how are you going to find a job with no hrs on type? 100hrs on Type is the very MINIMUM to apply to FR. Where else are you going to go?
Dont expect any help to find a job.
The Salesman can lie with a very streight face.
Suggest you talk to people who where on the Global Scheme. Do a Search.
The Type Rating - The instructors extreamly good. The training is excellent.
However, how are you going to find a job with no hrs on type? 100hrs on Type is the very MINIMUM to apply to FR. Where else are you going to go?
Dont expect any help to find a job.
The Salesman can lie with a very streight face.
Suggest you talk to people who where on the Global Scheme. Do a Search.
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I know a worried man (not me) who did the rating and line training. No job at the end of it with anyone due to lack of experience, and now the time is ticking. Last time I saw him he was considering buying 500hrs jet time in the States.
When will this madness end people. Avoid these schemes. Noone with any self respect pays to 'work'.
'B737-3/4/500 Type Rating Training Courses
100% of successful type-rated students now employed with airlines.'
This is an ad from the top of this page. Notice it does not say employed AS PILOTS with airlines. Or are they 'employed' doing line training they are paying to do? Sales BS the lot of it.
When will this madness end people. Avoid these schemes. Noone with any self respect pays to 'work'.
'B737-3/4/500 Type Rating Training Courses
100% of successful type-rated students now employed with airlines.'
This is an ad from the top of this page. Notice it does not say employed AS PILOTS with airlines. Or are they 'employed' doing line training they are paying to do? Sales BS the lot of it.
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I also personally know of SEVERAL good guys who were 'sold' the idea of doing a B737 type rating during late 2004 - 2005. Were apparently told quote "you will have 2-3 job offers when you finish". Rushed to either take out a £26,000 loan from HSBC or re-mortgaged their house, because there was only one place left on the course! Resigned from well paid jobs to free up the time to complete what they were told would be a 4 month course. Completed the JOC and the B737 rating. Had nothing but praise for the quality of the programme at Astraeus; all said "instructors were excellent". They ended up waiting 8/9 months to complete 10 sectors, on no salary because they'd resigned from previous employment. Most of them passed their Ryanair interview when they accumulated 100 hours on type. But after the cheques were cashed these additional hours were not offered to them and the salesmen did nothing whatsoever to help them fly the extra 60 hours to secure their positions with Ryanair. So after a long delay in the hope that they could secure employment with 10 sectors, and as if the interest payments on £26,000 and the loss of income added on top wasnt bad enough, they ended up having to revalidate their B737 rating a year later (£1500) and then had to take out additional loans to go to Eagle Jet and pay "another" £12,000 to buy another 300 hours. They ended up in Turkey or with Sky Europe, at their own additional expense, a few ended up with Ryanair (2 were chopped during line training... and ended up back with Eagle Jet) and although 1 or 2 ended up with UK airlines, the others were eventually taken on by their Eagle Jet placement airlines, but they had to continue working for FREE until they reached 500 hours on type. The salary at Sky Europe is 1250 Euros / month .... tax free though!
My advice .... if you fund your own type rating make sure you have enough cash to finish the journey!
My advice .... if you fund your own type rating make sure you have enough cash to finish the journey!
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I would agree with Slow Down whole heartedly. If you have got loads of time to hang around and bucket loads of money, then give it a go.
There are loads of threads about this. One I remember is from Ngenfire. A good friend of mine. Wish you the best.
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There are loads of threads about this. One I remember is from Ngenfire. A good friend of mine. Wish you the best.
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Bond Type Ratings
Dirty Harry,
Far too busy to be on pprune every day. Glad you have the time...
The Global scheme finished over a year ago now. The global scheme and the Bond type rating and line training packages are two completely different organisations and always were! why hijack the thread again? Out of interest were you even on a Global course?
Bond have NEVER and will NEVER promise to find or supply you with a job at the end of completing your rating, with aeu or anyone else for that matter. They provide training courses pure and simple, as do Alteon, GECAT, CAE, SkyBlue, and all FTO's in the country for that matter (and in my opinion good ones at that). You finish the course with either the B737, B757, B767 or A320 on your license and line training is available on the B737 and B757 if required by the student. At the end of the day people are not forced to attend these courses infact they are choosing to and many are getting jobs. Everyone must make there own choice when trying to land that first job, whether it be an FI rating, Hour building, TR, Apply, Apply, Apply everyone does it differently.
All the best.
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Far too busy to be on pprune every day. Glad you have the time...
The Global scheme finished over a year ago now. The global scheme and the Bond type rating and line training packages are two completely different organisations and always were! why hijack the thread again? Out of interest were you even on a Global course?
Bond have NEVER and will NEVER promise to find or supply you with a job at the end of completing your rating, with aeu or anyone else for that matter. They provide training courses pure and simple, as do Alteon, GECAT, CAE, SkyBlue, and all FTO's in the country for that matter (and in my opinion good ones at that). You finish the course with either the B737, B757, B767 or A320 on your license and line training is available on the B737 and B757 if required by the student. At the end of the day people are not forced to attend these courses infact they are choosing to and many are getting jobs. Everyone must make there own choice when trying to land that first job, whether it be an FI rating, Hour building, TR, Apply, Apply, Apply everyone does it differently.
All the best.
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Said it before, will say it again - The Bond type rating worked for the 16 of us on my course. A load of us went to SkyEurope [as normal paid employees] to get the ball rolling (they have 16 73Gs on order incidentally) and most of us are back in UKOK working for various companies.
Many Bond students have got lucky with Ryanair - though many have been told they have to complete 100 hours Line Training first. I don't know if this will still be the case as their pilots start to run out out of hours.
There seem to be an increasing number of people these days that will only accept a jet job if it's 5 minutes' drive from their front door.
When I fell off the conveyor belt there were only adverts for A320 jobs. However, a few months later the pendulum swung the other way. I know of one guy who ended up with four job offers when he finished last year - I guess it's just timing.
Many Bond students have got lucky with Ryanair - though many have been told they have to complete 100 hours Line Training first. I don't know if this will still be the case as their pilots start to run out out of hours.
There seem to be an increasing number of people these days that will only accept a jet job if it's 5 minutes' drive from their front door.
When I fell off the conveyor belt there were only adverts for A320 jobs. However, a few months later the pendulum swung the other way. I know of one guy who ended up with four job offers when he finished last year - I guess it's just timing.
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Lots of time to gather useful info off the net.......not too many flights during the winter. Lets call it even on the Global thing.......... and Ngenfire I would also be interested to to know if you got fixed up with a job? Hope things worked out for you ?
To expand on my previous post and the original question the progam offered by Astraeus is unique as far as I know where you get a Type Rating and Airline experiance. I would recommend it. It gave me my first job, many others and in fairness AEU have given an even bigger hand up to some graduates by employing them. For someone following the modular route and then the AEU program you will be spending far less than someone on an integrated course to be able to put something on your CV that would make you stand out in the pilot pool. With a 737 Type Rating and 100hrs on type someone somewhere in the world would PROBABLY find you acceptable and be prepared to travel!
The problem is that there is hundreds of boys and girls right now all over Europe with Type Ratings and no time on type. The airlines who maybe 2 or 3 years ago who would have taken a look at such people are now fed up with taking the training risk and expense only to find when they reach 100hrs plus they leave for greener pastures. Many of these airlines are now bonding people to stop the problem. I dont want to get into the moral argument but at least the AEU scheme gives you some airline experiance and proves that you can operate at some capacity on the line. 10 sectors is not enough, save your money and sit on the jumpseat!
Its also worth noting that in recent months I have also met guys\gals who have gone all the way through to buying their own Type Rating (the TRTO took their money) only to find that they are unable to operate the aircraft and show no improvement as they go through a Line Training programme...........then get chopped. This is a rather expensive way to find out you never should have become a pilot, however, inevitable given the lack of screening before people start down the road of becoming a commercial pilot.
Id say that Slow Down's post is a much more realistic picture of the current job market for people with Self Sponsered TR than sickBocks. From what i see today unless you have an offer from an airline, No hrs on type = No job. As Lookoutbelow points out AEU will give you the tools (training and experiance).........and fine tools they are, to find a job but be prepared that if these tools aren't enough you have ALTERNATIVE plans to see things through to the end. There are definately no gaurantees.
Lots of time to gather useful info off the net.......not too many flights during the winter. Lets call it even on the Global thing.......... and Ngenfire I would also be interested to to know if you got fixed up with a job? Hope things worked out for you ?
To expand on my previous post and the original question the progam offered by Astraeus is unique as far as I know where you get a Type Rating and Airline experiance. I would recommend it. It gave me my first job, many others and in fairness AEU have given an even bigger hand up to some graduates by employing them. For someone following the modular route and then the AEU program you will be spending far less than someone on an integrated course to be able to put something on your CV that would make you stand out in the pilot pool. With a 737 Type Rating and 100hrs on type someone somewhere in the world would PROBABLY find you acceptable and be prepared to travel!
The problem is that there is hundreds of boys and girls right now all over Europe with Type Ratings and no time on type. The airlines who maybe 2 or 3 years ago who would have taken a look at such people are now fed up with taking the training risk and expense only to find when they reach 100hrs plus they leave for greener pastures. Many of these airlines are now bonding people to stop the problem. I dont want to get into the moral argument but at least the AEU scheme gives you some airline experiance and proves that you can operate at some capacity on the line. 10 sectors is not enough, save your money and sit on the jumpseat!
Its also worth noting that in recent months I have also met guys\gals who have gone all the way through to buying their own Type Rating (the TRTO took their money) only to find that they are unable to operate the aircraft and show no improvement as they go through a Line Training programme...........then get chopped. This is a rather expensive way to find out you never should have become a pilot, however, inevitable given the lack of screening before people start down the road of becoming a commercial pilot.
Id say that Slow Down's post is a much more realistic picture of the current job market for people with Self Sponsered TR than sickBocks. From what i see today unless you have an offer from an airline, No hrs on type = No job. As Lookoutbelow points out AEU will give you the tools (training and experiance).........and fine tools they are, to find a job but be prepared that if these tools aren't enough you have ALTERNATIVE plans to see things through to the end. There are definately no gaurantees.
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Hold on to that money.
I heard a lot of stuff about that place, some good, some bad. What it boils down to is if you only need the TR then it is good go for it, but is it to get a job, get hours or something like that stay away its a mess.
Go directly to Ryan air or with any other company that does the same deal but wth bonding or something like that. If you are going to pay that amount of money make sure it gets you somwhere (this can be hard). There are 100's out there who can fly a 737, what makes you different? Do you know somebody who can get you in the door. Then go for it, but if you don't think about it. They won't help you if you don't get the hours on top and face it its not cheap to start with. And to get the hour it sounds like you have to wait a while.
No hours=No Job
Go directly to Ryan air or with any other company that does the same deal but wth bonding or something like that. If you are going to pay that amount of money make sure it gets you somwhere (this can be hard). There are 100's out there who can fly a 737, what makes you different? Do you know somebody who can get you in the door. Then go for it, but if you don't think about it. They won't help you if you don't get the hours on top and face it its not cheap to start with. And to get the hour it sounds like you have to wait a while.
No hours=No Job
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Fokker 100, are you sure about that??, I agree that was the norm during spring/summer 2005 but before xmas I had a number of bond students on the jump seat that were starting line training only a matter of days after finishing their base training and ancillary (SEP) courses! the norm seems to be a wait of between two and four weeks. The only pottential delay these days seem to be the good old BAA ID pass applications but that will never change.
Dirty Harry, sounds fair to me re. global, onwards and upwards and all that.... and an excellent post by the way, my thoughts exactly.
If you want to go to OAT, Cabair, Jerez etal and pay c. £55-60K for a shiny intergrated course (oh.. sorry it is the same license at the end of it all isn't it!!) and pray that the name on your CV will get you a job then go for it. Some will be more prudent (god I sound like Gordon Brown!) about how and where they spend there hard earned or borrowed cash. It is now possible to complete a fATPL modular course (just as shiny!) with a reputable FTO for around the £30K mark, look at the package that Bond have put together with Stapleford. Therefore how ever you go about it you can pottentially leave enough in the budget for TR and perhaps line training if you see that having that on your CV will set you apart (in my view it almost certainly will as long as you are willing to travel and can except pretty much any pay/conditions for a few months until you get to that 500 Hrs on type, as you rightly point out!).
I said it before and I will say it again horses for courses, more than one way to skin a cat, each to their own and all that. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES IN LIFE AND IT IS NO DIFFERENT WITH FLIGHT TRAINING. We are all (or should be) professionals, way up the pro's and cons and do what works for you.
The training at Bond is very good in my view and being about to complete my second TR with them in the past 18 months I have more experience than most I guess, that is not to say they don't make mistakes (we are all human!) and will get anyone through that turns up with a big cheque book (they can't gurantee passes, you have to put the work in!). The instructors are all helpful and very experienced, the SIM's they use are BA's at Cranebank and the new Alteon (Boeing) complex at LGW all top notch, they now have purpose built classrooms and mock-up facilities with good CBT, updated Boeing manuals and FMC training tools. They have ready access (or as ready as it can be in a commercial operation) to the AC for base training and base training captains (Bond Head of Training is Base Trainer on the B737-300, -700, B757 and B767) and line training packages are available SHOULD individuals require it (not many other TRTO's can boast that!).
Regards
LOB
Dirty Harry, sounds fair to me re. global, onwards and upwards and all that.... and an excellent post by the way, my thoughts exactly.
If you want to go to OAT, Cabair, Jerez etal and pay c. £55-60K for a shiny intergrated course (oh.. sorry it is the same license at the end of it all isn't it!!) and pray that the name on your CV will get you a job then go for it. Some will be more prudent (god I sound like Gordon Brown!) about how and where they spend there hard earned or borrowed cash. It is now possible to complete a fATPL modular course (just as shiny!) with a reputable FTO for around the £30K mark, look at the package that Bond have put together with Stapleford. Therefore how ever you go about it you can pottentially leave enough in the budget for TR and perhaps line training if you see that having that on your CV will set you apart (in my view it almost certainly will as long as you are willing to travel and can except pretty much any pay/conditions for a few months until you get to that 500 Hrs on type, as you rightly point out!).
I said it before and I will say it again horses for courses, more than one way to skin a cat, each to their own and all that. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES IN LIFE AND IT IS NO DIFFERENT WITH FLIGHT TRAINING. We are all (or should be) professionals, way up the pro's and cons and do what works for you.
The training at Bond is very good in my view and being about to complete my second TR with them in the past 18 months I have more experience than most I guess, that is not to say they don't make mistakes (we are all human!) and will get anyone through that turns up with a big cheque book (they can't gurantee passes, you have to put the work in!). The instructors are all helpful and very experienced, the SIM's they use are BA's at Cranebank and the new Alteon (Boeing) complex at LGW all top notch, they now have purpose built classrooms and mock-up facilities with good CBT, updated Boeing manuals and FMC training tools. They have ready access (or as ready as it can be in a commercial operation) to the AC for base training and base training captains (Bond Head of Training is Base Trainer on the B737-300, -700, B757 and B767) and line training packages are available SHOULD individuals require it (not many other TRTO's can boast that!).
Regards
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Astraeus 757 line training
Hello,
Trying to reach any pilots that have undertaken the 757 type rating with Bond in conjunction with Astraeus and have done line training afterwards.
Any experiences of current employment for 757 fleet?
And waiting time for line training?
Trying to reach any pilots that have undertaken the 757 type rating with Bond in conjunction with Astraeus and have done line training afterwards.
Any experiences of current employment for 757 fleet?
And waiting time for line training?
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Astraeus TR
I would like to start a thread to hear where those who have completed their Bond/Astraeus TR have ended up.
It would be great to know where you did your fATPL as well.
there is not much info
It would be great to know where you did your fATPL as well.
there is not much info
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Recently at Astraeus
Has anybody been employed under the bond aviation type courses to Astraeus on either the 737 or 757 on a short term or long term basis.
It's been some time since anyone's reported on this.
cheers
It's been some time since anyone's reported on this.
cheers