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Who takes 200 hour pilots? I can think of BA, BMI, Monarch, Excel, Easyjet, Thomas Cook, Britannia, BACX, Flybe, etc etc. So don't think no-one will take low hours!
BUT a new jet F/O would take far less training if he'd done 2 years on a J41 - a good airplane to get some time in and "get your knees brown". A much better "poler" in the end. All the above please note.
Have faith......... You'll all get there in the end.
PS When I was at Manx we were bonded for £8K on the very same J41s....... Not too long ago! Can't quite figure out where the £15K comes from (same sim, same base training, CBT probably now and no accomodation on IOM!)
BUT a new jet F/O would take far less training if he'd done 2 years on a J41 - a good airplane to get some time in and "get your knees brown". A much better "poler" in the end. All the above please note.
Have faith......... You'll all get there in the end.
PS When I was at Manx we were bonded for £8K on the very same J41s....... Not too long ago! Can't quite figure out where the £15K comes from (same sim, same base training, CBT probably now and no accomodation on IOM!)
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Anyone who believes that pilots should not pay for ratings think of this first.Whats costs more,not paying for rating and staying unemployed for 1-2 years or paying for rating and earning salary afterwards?Its just simple mathematics,anybody who knows the basics in mathematics can understand it.
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Its NOT a good deal!
The 170 quid isnt too much so thats not bad but working for 3 weeks without pay is not good. Its certainly on parr with Ryanair without a doubt!
Im not slating Eastern as I know a lot of people who work for them and theyre all great people. But on here there seems to be too many people saying things that would make you think Eastern is the wannabe's dream! Its not! Im sure things have changed now but i have never come across such an arrogant and ignorant c**t as what their ops director(CH) was in the old days.
A 15k bond on the J41 is ridiculous! Its done to stop you leaving.Simple as that.Good management style?
If you need to do it to get your firsy job then go for it. But when it comes down to it, Its NOT a good deal!!
btw, I was offered a job with Eastern when you didnt work for free.
True in the Eastern case but NOT true when it comes to buying TRs without a job offer.
The 170 quid isnt too much so thats not bad but working for 3 weeks without pay is not good. Its certainly on parr with Ryanair without a doubt!
Im not slating Eastern as I know a lot of people who work for them and theyre all great people. But on here there seems to be too many people saying things that would make you think Eastern is the wannabe's dream! Its not! Im sure things have changed now but i have never come across such an arrogant and ignorant c**t as what their ops director(CH) was in the old days.
A 15k bond on the J41 is ridiculous! Its done to stop you leaving.Simple as that.Good management style?
If you need to do it to get your firsy job then go for it. But when it comes down to it, Its NOT a good deal!!
btw, I was offered a job with Eastern when you didnt work for free.
Anyone who believes that pilots should not pay for ratings think of this first.Whats costs more,not paying for rating and staying unemployed for 1-2 years or paying for rating and earning salary afterwards?Its just simple mathematics,anybody who knows the basics in mathematics can understand it.
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You are not paying for a type rating, you are entering into an agreement whereby if YOU choose to leave the company then YOU have to pay the remainder of the loan outstanding. FlyBe, Jet2, Easyjet all do it this way, except when you join Easyjet as a low houred guy it's £6K+? CASH UPFRONT for a jet handling course, with NO job if you don't come up with the goods in the sim at CTC, and then you work for not alot for six months etc etc. Are you complainants mental, I really cannot see your problem. I know a young lady who has recently joined with low hours and is doing stacks of flying out of Manch, scheduled routes and getting some very good experience on an EFIS turboprop. Been said already but you could go anywhere with a few years and a few thousand hours under your belt.
I have to be frank if some of the nonsense being posted in this thread is anything to go by i'm not surprised that they are going down the 3 week unpaid for the the groundschool road. They've probably been bitten and this gives them a getout in the event of whinging or blatant muppetry!!! I would have licked piss off a thistle to get into Eastern when i passed my IR and had no experience (think they were Kilroe back then though). Come on guys, £170 squid and 3 weeks, not alot is it, at the very least shows a willing on your part!!
And sorry Longchop but it is nowhere near on a parr with Ryanair, how on earth do you come up with that. You have to pay for your 73 rating with NO GUARANTEE AT ALL with FR, do the course (without pay) and probably pick up the tab for HOTAC, travel and an endless list of extra's. Eastern = £170 and no pay for 3 weeks, i suggest a rethink on that.
I have to be frank if some of the nonsense being posted in this thread is anything to go by i'm not surprised that they are going down the 3 week unpaid for the the groundschool road. They've probably been bitten and this gives them a getout in the event of whinging or blatant muppetry!!! I would have licked piss off a thistle to get into Eastern when i passed my IR and had no experience (think they were Kilroe back then though). Come on guys, £170 squid and 3 weeks, not alot is it, at the very least shows a willing on your part!!
And sorry Longchop but it is nowhere near on a parr with Ryanair, how on earth do you come up with that. You have to pay for your 73 rating with NO GUARANTEE AT ALL with FR, do the course (without pay) and probably pick up the tab for HOTAC, travel and an endless list of extra's. Eastern = £170 and no pay for 3 weeks, i suggest a rethink on that.
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Originally Posted by Impressive_Wingspan
And sorry Longchop but it is nowhere near on a parr with Ryanair, how on earth do you come up with that. You have to pay for your 73 rating with NO GUARANTEE AT ALL with FR, do the course (without pay) and probably pick up the tab for HOTAC, travel and an endless list of extra's. Eastern = £170 and no pay for 3 weeks, i suggest a rethink on that.
Its a crap deal....simple as!!
Work for free for 3 weeks?????? errrr ok!!
Put me on the list and i'll join up too!!!
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Eastern Deal
Personally, as an opportunity it is not to be missed.
BUT, I agree that the deal is not good. Its not geared at wannabe workers, people with commitments like mortgages and families or even to their current job.
These are the people that will at the end of the day give Eastern their commitment rather than a footloose and fancy free wannabe that can stand to be without a wage or doesnt have the constraint of possbily losing their job over the chance to attend the ground school.
Within two years they will be gone, dont think a bond will stop them writing a chegue to Eastern and departing with a cheery smile to a jet operator!
I think there is a lot of chinese whispers going on here, it just doesnt sound right!
Fair enough, pay for the sim check, fair enough be bonded, but to be expected to drop everything and come running saying hi-ho silver without any form of commitment from Eastern is nonsense!
The other reason why I wonder at the ethos behind it is the 'chinese whispers' now, are that the J41 is being phased out this year.............
So what happens then?
Another Bond?
Eastern is a company on my short list to work for, which is why this whole thread has me scratching my head and wondering who actually has the facts.
BUT, I agree that the deal is not good. Its not geared at wannabe workers, people with commitments like mortgages and families or even to their current job.
These are the people that will at the end of the day give Eastern their commitment rather than a footloose and fancy free wannabe that can stand to be without a wage or doesnt have the constraint of possbily losing their job over the chance to attend the ground school.
Within two years they will be gone, dont think a bond will stop them writing a chegue to Eastern and departing with a cheery smile to a jet operator!
I think there is a lot of chinese whispers going on here, it just doesnt sound right!
Fair enough, pay for the sim check, fair enough be bonded, but to be expected to drop everything and come running saying hi-ho silver without any form of commitment from Eastern is nonsense!
The other reason why I wonder at the ethos behind it is the 'chinese whispers' now, are that the J41 is being phased out this year.............
So what happens then?
Another Bond?
Eastern is a company on my short list to work for, which is why this whole thread has me scratching my head and wondering who actually has the facts.
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I didn't say it was a good deal Longchop, just said it wasn't as bad as some deals on offer at the moment. I flew with one F/O last month who spent a fortune buying a rating and hours which has eventually got him a jet job. There are people out there who are willing to do this, and in current times where airlines are trying to reduce costs and these poeple exist, they will take full advantage.
I agree entirely with the last post, not geared to people with commitments, but anyone considering Eastern should look beyond the £170 and three week groundschool. How many pilots have First Choice and the like just taken from Eastern, my source says quite a few. Do your three weeks and get some good experience, then join the sort of operator who won't ask you to dig deep for a JOC course or type rating and will pay you from day one. It seems the least costly option to me whilst getting experience. SCAM it isn't, and i've looked on the Eastern website Longchop but can't see anything about £50 to apply
I agree entirely with the last post, not geared to people with commitments, but anyone considering Eastern should look beyond the £170 and three week groundschool. How many pilots have First Choice and the like just taken from Eastern, my source says quite a few. Do your three weeks and get some good experience, then join the sort of operator who won't ask you to dig deep for a JOC course or type rating and will pay you from day one. It seems the least costly option to me whilst getting experience. SCAM it isn't, and i've looked on the Eastern website Longchop but can't see anything about £50 to apply
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Originally Posted by Impressive_Wingspan
I didn't say it was a good deal Longchop, just said it wasn't as bad as some deals on offer at the moment.
Quite true. Its a bad deal! Simple as!!
Originally Posted by impressive wingspan
SCAM it isn't, and i've looked on the Eastern website Longchop but can't see anything about £50 to apply
Eastern dont offer the perfect package and therefore i fail to see how they can justify this! The pay isnt massive amounts and the J41 isnt anything special compared to the Saab or the Dash or even the ATRs!
If this is what the market has forced then I wouldnt deter anyone from doing it. Take it if you need the first job. I feel we'd all be better off if we didnt apply to the airlines who take liberties! I for one have never applied to Ryanair or Astreus, in the 2 years I have had a license! I will hold out till i get a job in which the airline pays for my TR!
Maybe i have this opinion because my airline paid for me from day one of the conversion course. My bond is 10k reducing on a very well respected TP and it is reducing over 3 years.
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I fly a modern turbo-prop at the moment on what is probably the best, exciting and most challenging routes in the UK turbo-prop sector. And I wouldn't have swapped the experience i'm gaining for anything, it has, with out doubt, set me up in terms of skills, confidence and experience for my next step onto jet aircraft and probably the rest of my career.
I have to say, some of the comments i've read on here, I also am totally NOT suprised Eastern Airways have gone down this route if this is an example of some of the attitudes that the Eastern line trainers/managers have to put up with - some of you guys need to accept the UK industry in the 21st century or remain out of work or stay a career instructor!
This sector of the UK market place is aimed at FI's with some flying experience or 200 hours chaps with NO experience - in short, both have NO commercial experience or Multi-Crew time, and this is not something that comes with a Frozen ATPL, some just won't get it! It's been proved, I know Eastern Airways chopped a few guys last year because they simply didn't make the grade, maybe in both flying skills and personality (in one case!). In short, your an unknown, a risk!
Airlines, also in this sector don't make MEGA bucks, a summers profit can be wiped out by a heavy winter de-icing aircraft!. So the Flight Deck work force are one of the airlines most expensive commodities, and as it's no different to any other business, they will do what they have to do to save money.
A sim ride on the Frasca with Mike Briggs is pretty much a waste of time to a certain degree due to the nature of the FNPTI and Mike Briggs will only be assessing you on your scan and general ability, he certainly doesn't have the experience to assess whether you'll be a good multi-crew pilot! But better the airline find out now that you can't hold anything straight and level before your sat in a J41 sim in Washington! I totally agree the 3 week unpaid course is a bit far fetched, but what they are doing is finding the right guys for them. They'll will be assessing your personality from the moment you walk in to the room to determine that "yep, he's someone who will have good CRM and who i'd like to spend a 6 sector day with". This could easily be assessed in 4 days I grant you and they could have coughed up maybe expenses at the very least.
Yes, they are exploiting the fact that new licence issued guys and gals are going to be desperate to get on the ladder, but they are aware that it will be an apprecticeship for most and 85% of new entrants this year will move on within the next 12-24 months and at the end of the day, they do have a business to run and that is the same for any airline. In short, if you don't like it, don't apply!!! No-one owes you a living!
This is the best flying your ever going to get, the experience is second to none. Lots of handling, lots of sectors and all sat in the worst weather! It beats working for a living guys, but I guess sending CV's out every week it just as much fun too!!!
I have to say, some of the comments i've read on here, I also am totally NOT suprised Eastern Airways have gone down this route if this is an example of some of the attitudes that the Eastern line trainers/managers have to put up with - some of you guys need to accept the UK industry in the 21st century or remain out of work or stay a career instructor!
This sector of the UK market place is aimed at FI's with some flying experience or 200 hours chaps with NO experience - in short, both have NO commercial experience or Multi-Crew time, and this is not something that comes with a Frozen ATPL, some just won't get it! It's been proved, I know Eastern Airways chopped a few guys last year because they simply didn't make the grade, maybe in both flying skills and personality (in one case!). In short, your an unknown, a risk!
Airlines, also in this sector don't make MEGA bucks, a summers profit can be wiped out by a heavy winter de-icing aircraft!. So the Flight Deck work force are one of the airlines most expensive commodities, and as it's no different to any other business, they will do what they have to do to save money.
A sim ride on the Frasca with Mike Briggs is pretty much a waste of time to a certain degree due to the nature of the FNPTI and Mike Briggs will only be assessing you on your scan and general ability, he certainly doesn't have the experience to assess whether you'll be a good multi-crew pilot! But better the airline find out now that you can't hold anything straight and level before your sat in a J41 sim in Washington! I totally agree the 3 week unpaid course is a bit far fetched, but what they are doing is finding the right guys for them. They'll will be assessing your personality from the moment you walk in to the room to determine that "yep, he's someone who will have good CRM and who i'd like to spend a 6 sector day with". This could easily be assessed in 4 days I grant you and they could have coughed up maybe expenses at the very least.
Yes, they are exploiting the fact that new licence issued guys and gals are going to be desperate to get on the ladder, but they are aware that it will be an apprecticeship for most and 85% of new entrants this year will move on within the next 12-24 months and at the end of the day, they do have a business to run and that is the same for any airline. In short, if you don't like it, don't apply!!! No-one owes you a living!
This is the best flying your ever going to get, the experience is second to none. Lots of handling, lots of sectors and all sat in the worst weather! It beats working for a living guys, but I guess sending CV's out every week it just as much fun too!!!
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Get The Facts Straight!
Actually, the sim is only used for low houred pilots or those with no recency.
The no-pay groundschool is only used for pilots who cannot present a reliable referee and are therefore completely unknown quantities. Apparently used very occasionally.
Only one has failed: he was on my course. Good decision Eastern!
Apart from a sim (if you need one) you pay nothing.
To add my accolades - a great company to work for. but they don't put up with dross.
The no-pay groundschool is only used for pilots who cannot present a reliable referee and are therefore completely unknown quantities. Apparently used very occasionally.
Only one has failed: he was on my course. Good decision Eastern!
Apart from a sim (if you need one) you pay nothing.
To add my accolades - a great company to work for. but they don't put up with dross.
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I just received an email from Eastern outlining the recruitment process.
Its exactly as Spareparts says it is, they even cover B&B expenses on the ground course should you follow that route.
Four pages of blarney here, because of a rant over the wrong info.
Its exactly as Spareparts says it is, they even cover B&B expenses on the ground course should you follow that route.
Four pages of blarney here, because of a rant over the wrong info.
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EASTERN AIRWAYS INTERVIEW!!
Hi
I may have a job interview with Eastern Airways soon. I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything and everything about what sort of questions im likely to be asked?
Any tech questions? If so such as?
Many thanks
From a stressed
Foil
I may have a job interview with Eastern Airways soon. I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything and everything about what sort of questions im likely to be asked?
Any tech questions? If so such as?
Many thanks
From a stressed
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A search for 'Interview' would have given you these results, which you would have had 10 hours to peruse had you done the search before you posted today. There may not be any results for Eastern (but there might be, I haven't looked), but there is an awful lot of airline interview information.
Search is a very powerful tool. Use it.
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Search is a very powerful tool. Use it.
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Had one last year. All very relaxed, one on one with the big cheese. lasted maybe 30-40 minutes. Very nice and reasonable guy. There were no tricks or tests. He seemed genuinely interested in your background and what you were about. Would suit a good honest candidate. good luck.
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Eastern airways
Hi all,just a quick one.Does this airline recruit for individual bases or is it across the board and go where you are sent,set up?