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Hello people 
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I will be flying soon to Bournermouth for phase 2/3. I am looking for some decent hotel near the airport, any suggestions? I have been checking for older posts about it but didn't find any.
thanks
fabio
,I will be flying soon to Bournermouth for phase 2/3. I am looking for some decent hotel near the airport, any suggestions? I have been checking for older posts about it but didn't find any.
thanks
fabio
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Hi all,
I am off to phase 2/3 selection on Wednesday June 11th staying at Hurn Court Farmhouse the night before. If you are going to this selection day pm me! Also if anyone happens to be staying at Hurn Court and would like a ride to CTC on the 11th just let me know.
Tin.
I am off to phase 2/3 selection on Wednesday June 11th staying at Hurn Court Farmhouse the night before. If you are going to this selection day pm me! Also if anyone happens to be staying at Hurn Court and would like a ride to CTC on the 11th just let me know.
Tin.
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Hi all,
Stuart from yesterdays phase 4 here. I am the newest member of CP69, departing the UK Dec 31st. New Year, New Zealand huh?! Can't beleive it!
Just wondering how you guys from yesterday got on....
Stuart from yesterdays phase 4 here. I am the newest member of CP69, departing the UK Dec 31st. New Year, New Zealand huh?! Can't beleive it!
Just wondering how you guys from yesterday got on....
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Hey bud,
Nice one on getting through! Once you're up and running in PPRUNE you can PM me and tell me all about your sim session! Intrigued to know how it went! (Particularly your ILS approach and whether you looked up or not!)
Which course will you be on? I was on the phone to CTC today and there was 67,68 and 69 being November December and January respectively. I opted for latest one to give more time for saving some cash, the January course, CP69, leaving UK Dec 31st. (tho the lady at CTC said this might get pushed back a few days...fingers crossed huh?!)
Havent heard from Mark, expected that out of three of us he'd be first to post since he probably would have been at home by 4pm yesterday. We'll see.
Anyways, anybody else out there on CP69 so far?
Nice one on getting through! Once you're up and running in PPRUNE you can PM me and tell me all about your sim session! Intrigued to know how it went! (Particularly your ILS approach and whether you looked up or not!)
Which course will you be on? I was on the phone to CTC today and there was 67,68 and 69 being November December and January respectively. I opted for latest one to give more time for saving some cash, the January course, CP69, leaving UK Dec 31st. (tho the lady at CTC said this might get pushed back a few days...fingers crossed huh?!)
Havent heard from Mark, expected that out of three of us he'd be first to post since he probably would have been at home by 4pm yesterday. We'll see.
Anyways, anybody else out there on CP69 so far?
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ctc cadets vs Icp..........
Hi guys , off the track a bit but does anyone have any info on the Icp programme. I narrowly missed out on the Cadet programme, but have been accepted onto the Icp. Any thoughts on this i.e. employment stats etc.
Have also conditionally been accepted onto Oxford APP programme, would this be a better option?
Have also conditionally been accepted onto Oxford APP programme, would this be a better option?
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stage 2/3 on the 8th of july
hello folks
i´ll be in bournemouth on the 8th of july for the 2nd/3rd stage. anyone else going down at the same time?
if so, pm me if you like
cheers
apostolis
i´ll be in bournemouth on the 8th of july for the 2nd/3rd stage. anyone else going down at the same time?
if so, pm me if you like
cheers
apostolis
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Thanks dj and chelche,
always appreciate a bit of guidance when it comes to what is ultimatley a massive financial commitment, with no guarantee of a job at the end.... a prospect made even more scary in the current economic climate!
With regard to the Icp programme, I couln't help getting the feeling after the assessment as if it 'was up to you'........ like they were happy to take the cadet rejects, so long as they were prepared to pay.... Perhaps this was just me, i mean I guess I reached some sort of minimum standard. I just wonder if this distiction would be bourne out during training too?
In contrast, I scored relatively highly in the Oxford APP training assessment (32/42) Compass and 7/10 group exercises....have to return for sim check, but the entry standard seems higher? Is this just me?
I have also heard that at CTC the ground school is self study? does this explain in part the difference in cost?
Also, Oxford includes MCC and JOC training, whereas CTC makes you apply for the ATP programme. Im guessing this course is ultra competitive: im totally dedicated to the cause,and have no doubt i'll perform well at training, but what chance realistically do I have if I failed to make the CTC cadet grade (allbeit marginally) at assessment stage?
It seems like the Icp programme is in its infancy, and I would be most greatful for any feedback from any current students, either cadets or Icp'ers as to how it all works....CTC is my first choice, with Oxford a close second....I guess the choice is down to a more expensive, proven track with Oxford APP, or into the unknown with CTC?...........................
sorry if im off the track here, I really should be on another thread......One of the links chelche was actually mine, but yet to have any responses! But any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.....
cheers,
stewart
always appreciate a bit of guidance when it comes to what is ultimatley a massive financial commitment, with no guarantee of a job at the end.... a prospect made even more scary in the current economic climate!
With regard to the Icp programme, I couln't help getting the feeling after the assessment as if it 'was up to you'........ like they were happy to take the cadet rejects, so long as they were prepared to pay.... Perhaps this was just me, i mean I guess I reached some sort of minimum standard. I just wonder if this distiction would be bourne out during training too?
In contrast, I scored relatively highly in the Oxford APP training assessment (32/42) Compass and 7/10 group exercises....have to return for sim check, but the entry standard seems higher? Is this just me?
I have also heard that at CTC the ground school is self study? does this explain in part the difference in cost?
Also, Oxford includes MCC and JOC training, whereas CTC makes you apply for the ATP programme. Im guessing this course is ultra competitive: im totally dedicated to the cause,and have no doubt i'll perform well at training, but what chance realistically do I have if I failed to make the CTC cadet grade (allbeit marginally) at assessment stage?
It seems like the Icp programme is in its infancy, and I would be most greatful for any feedback from any current students, either cadets or Icp'ers as to how it all works....CTC is my first choice, with Oxford a close second....I guess the choice is down to a more expensive, proven track with Oxford APP, or into the unknown with CTC?...........................
sorry if im off the track here, I really should be on another thread......One of the links chelche was actually mine, but yet to have any responses! But any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.....
cheers,
stewart
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Originally Posted by djfingerscrossed
I would hazard a guess that the Wings cadets 'might', and I use the term loosely, pick up the flying skills a little quicker due to possibly doing better in the aptitude testing?
A iCP cadet could have done far better than you in the assessment tests, far better than you in the maths test, far better than you in the group tasks but the assessors could have felt that he / she didn't show a strong motivation, volition or determination to fly. Therefore, it's best not to think of someone who isn't selected as less capable, however "slight" or "loose" you think it is especially when looking at one area out of many!
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Thanks dj, some good advice there.....
Have already tried to re-apply for wings cadets, but no joy i afraid. Just checking the CTC website, and the ATP programme is currently closed?!! hope this is not a sign of things to come....
was thinking of taking the Icp route, then perhaps transfering to Oxford to complete my MCC and JOC? A good idea? Would airlines look poorly on this change of course providers i.e. do they prefer integrated students with all training completed at a single school?
The only other benifit I can see to the APP programme, is the skills protection, guaranteeing some of your money back if all does not go to plan.
Come on all you Icp'ers......get typing and tell all!!!!
Have already tried to re-apply for wings cadets, but no joy i afraid. Just checking the CTC website, and the ATP programme is currently closed?!! hope this is not a sign of things to come....
was thinking of taking the Icp route, then perhaps transfering to Oxford to complete my MCC and JOC? A good idea? Would airlines look poorly on this change of course providers i.e. do they prefer integrated students with all training completed at a single school?
The only other benifit I can see to the APP programme, is the skills protection, guaranteeing some of your money back if all does not go to plan.
Come on all you Icp'ers......get typing and tell all!!!!
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Hi all,
Passed my stage 3 on 27th May and have got my phase 4 on the 12th (this thursday!!) Just wondering if anyone else is going down on that day in the morning, ive heard we have all been booked in the same hotel!
Also can anyone confirm that the sim check is in the B737?
Thanks
Andrew
Passed my stage 3 on 27th May and have got my phase 4 on the 12th (this thursday!!) Just wondering if anyone else is going down on that day in the morning, ive heard we have all been booked in the same hotel!
Also can anyone confirm that the sim check is in the B737?
Thanks
Andrew
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Stuzzy, CTC's ATP scheme is only open for a matter of days at a time - they get so many applicants that it fills up quickly. I think it has only been open once this year - could be wrong but it hasn't been open for applications long.
Going from the CTC iCP scheme to the OAA MCC and JOC is great in theory but very expensive on practice, considering you are paying for two packages with lots of added value, to two different providers. I know a few OAA graduates have done the opposite; completed the OAA APPFO course and looked at the CTC ATP course but as said, you could be waiting months for it to re-open.
As for CTC iCP cadets getting preferential treatment into the ATP scheme - there is no fact either way as far as I'm aware. However, looking at the facts, you have been with CTC's instructors, have had your progress followed and if you are of a high standard, you are of great asset to CTC so there is no reason why they wouldn't use you.
As with everything, it comes down to risk. Wings cadet scheme is a risk, simply because the cadets they are recruiting haven't flown with CTC, haven't passed the ATPLs and haven't been known for long by CTC. The high failure rate is attributable to their high risk. As a qualified pilot on the iCP route, that risk is far removed - after all, you have completed the training so you are in good stead (providing you have performed) for further association with CTC. Bear in mind that this is speculation at the moment because no iCPers have finished the course.
As for resitting Wings assessment, I think they leave two years in between re-applications if not told otherwise.
DJ,
I read your post in its entirety - the only thing I didn't agree with and questioned was what I had quoted, hence why I quoted it. There was no attempt to crucify what you had said - why you think you are being crucified instead of challenged is odd.
You suggested, however loosely you want to put it, that "Wings cadets 'might', and I use the term loosely, pick up the flying skills a little quicker due to possibly doing better in the aptitude testing" whichI challenged, as it sounded a bit naive for many reasons. Nothing to get irate about
Going from the CTC iCP scheme to the OAA MCC and JOC is great in theory but very expensive on practice, considering you are paying for two packages with lots of added value, to two different providers. I know a few OAA graduates have done the opposite; completed the OAA APPFO course and looked at the CTC ATP course but as said, you could be waiting months for it to re-open.
As for CTC iCP cadets getting preferential treatment into the ATP scheme - there is no fact either way as far as I'm aware. However, looking at the facts, you have been with CTC's instructors, have had your progress followed and if you are of a high standard, you are of great asset to CTC so there is no reason why they wouldn't use you.
As with everything, it comes down to risk. Wings cadet scheme is a risk, simply because the cadets they are recruiting haven't flown with CTC, haven't passed the ATPLs and haven't been known for long by CTC. The high failure rate is attributable to their high risk. As a qualified pilot on the iCP route, that risk is far removed - after all, you have completed the training so you are in good stead (providing you have performed) for further association with CTC. Bear in mind that this is speculation at the moment because no iCPers have finished the course.
As for resitting Wings assessment, I think they leave two years in between re-applications if not told otherwise.
DJ,
I read your post in its entirety - the only thing I didn't agree with and questioned was what I had quoted, hence why I quoted it. There was no attempt to crucify what you had said - why you think you are being crucified instead of challenged is odd.
You suggested, however loosely you want to put it, that "Wings cadets 'might', and I use the term loosely, pick up the flying skills a little quicker due to possibly doing better in the aptitude testing" whichI challenged, as it sounded a bit naive for many reasons. Nothing to get irate about
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[As with everything, it comes down to risk. Wings cadet scheme is a risk, simply because the cadets they are recruiting haven't flown with CTC, haven't passed the ATPLs and haven't been known for long by CTC. The high failure rate is attributable to their high risk.
As for resitting Wings assessment, I think they leave two years in between re-applications if not told otherwise.
As to the labelling iCP cadets as less able than the Wings Cadets, I think we all agree there's nothing in it. I don't reckon anyone (inc DJ) meant any offence, it's just some are quick to notice (myself included!
) if a post seems to indicate this.
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Kerosine,
Sorry, no, I was saying that the scheme in itself is high risk to CTC. If they don't select the right person, they are at financial risk, and reputational risk which is why the failure rate in their selection process is so high and the pass rate in training is so high. And it's less than 1% failure rate in training I believe.
I think two years is when the data on each applicant is wiped from their system which is why I said "if not told otherwise" shortly after you fail the assessment. After this two years, I think you can apply again. If you are told otherwise, it is likely to be 6 months or 12 months.
Sorry, no, I was saying that the scheme in itself is high risk to CTC. If they don't select the right person, they are at financial risk, and reputational risk which is why the failure rate in their selection process is so high and the pass rate in training is so high. And it's less than 1% failure rate in training I believe.
I think two years is when the data on each applicant is wiped from their system which is why I said "if not told otherwise" shortly after you fail the assessment. After this two years, I think you can apply again. If you are told otherwise, it is likely to be 6 months or 12 months.
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Thanks for all the help and advice guys and girls, it really does help. It's also really great to hear from you Cadets, makes me think the distinction between cadets & icp might not be so great......I guess ultimatley we are all in the same boat! If you hear from any Icp'ers, give me a pm.
cheers,
stewart
cheers,
stewart
