The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
You certainly wouldn't want a part time job during groundschool. The only time it would be possible would be in the gap between groundschool and new zealand, which can be upto 5 weeks. You should still (according to the contract) request permission first. But again, as others have said, the groundschool is far to intense to have time for even one day a week.
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Guys and girls,
I didn't do the cadet scheme, but I would say that the amount of study to pass the ATPLs ( and the need to get a high %age pass rate) would preclude extra-curricular responsibilities.
I would recommend waiting until you have completed Line training. That is when most of the guys I fly with are starting to think about getting part-time jobs to supplement their income to service their debts. It will also ensure that you have some income coming in when your contract is not renewed after the initial 8 months.
I didn't do the cadet scheme, but I would say that the amount of study to pass the ATPLs ( and the need to get a high %age pass rate) would preclude extra-curricular responsibilities.
I would recommend waiting until you have completed Line training. That is when most of the guys I fly with are starting to think about getting part-time jobs to supplement their income to service their debts. It will also ensure that you have some income coming in when your contract is not renewed after the initial 8 months.
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Hi All,
1.) Does anyone know when CTC contract to supply pilots to easyjet is up for renewal ?
- Nearly 90% of CTC placements go to easyjet. I see this as a major threat to anyone starting the CTC programme.
2.) Now that easyjet growth is slowing will CTC be able to place as many cadets with easyjet in the years to come ?
The terms of the flexicrew has declined significantly meaning there is a over supply in the labour market.
3.) How many cadets are placed then end up back in the pool after the initial placement ?
1.) Does anyone know when CTC contract to supply pilots to easyjet is up for renewal ?
- Nearly 90% of CTC placements go to easyjet. I see this as a major threat to anyone starting the CTC programme.
2.) Now that easyjet growth is slowing will CTC be able to place as many cadets with easyjet in the years to come ?
The terms of the flexicrew has declined significantly meaning there is a over supply in the labour market.
3.) How many cadets are placed then end up back in the pool after the initial placement ?
1.) Does anyone know when CTC contract to supply pilots to easyjet is up for renewal ?
- Nearly 90% of CTC placements go to easyjet. I see this as a major threat to anyone starting the CTC programme.
- Nearly 90% of CTC placements go to easyjet. I see this as a major threat to anyone starting the CTC programme.
2.) Now that easyjet growth is slowing will CTC be able to place as many cadets with easyjet in the years to come ?
The terms of the flexicrew has declined significantly meaning there is a over supply in the labour market.
The terms of the flexicrew has declined significantly meaning there is a over supply in the labour market.
3.) How many cadets are placed then end up back in the pool after the initial placement ?
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Apparently the contract is up for renewal very soon. I doubt that EZY would not renew it....not sure what the terms might be though!!
Historically the vast majority of cadets have gone to EZY. With no growth over the next two years and a very small amount of people leaving then I do see this as a threat to CTC. I assume CTC see it as a threat also which is why they sold the business to the private equity firm to allow CTC to push into new markets!
I don't know the numbers but it’s not many placed this year with the other airlines. It’s a handful to each. Nothing like the volume EZY would always take. I would have thought that it was higher than 30% going to EZY. To be honest from what I hear I would have thought it was more like 30% going elsewhere than EZY???
CTC won't be able to place anywhere near as many to EZY over the next couple of years. No growth. Few command upgrades. Very few leaving. Few retiring. Beyond that who knows. But I see things slowing down markedly for CTC unless a new "customer" starts to take the same volumes in the desert or Asia.
There is an oversupply in the market. Definitely. At EZY flexi crew are flying less this summer than they did before. Still flying a reasonable amount but the flexi crew I fly with are definitely doing less than before.
Not many are returned to the hold pool. It has happened before and will happen after this summer when one course will go back to CTC. The better ones will be asked to return the following year apparently.
Add in that PARC seem to be supplying more and more to EZY also. In summary I think things are slowing down for CTC but they appear to know it and be trying to find alternative places for cadets. I would be cautious if starting now though. Not that anyone will listen mind.
Historically the vast majority of cadets have gone to EZY. With no growth over the next two years and a very small amount of people leaving then I do see this as a threat to CTC. I assume CTC see it as a threat also which is why they sold the business to the private equity firm to allow CTC to push into new markets!
I don't know the numbers but it’s not many placed this year with the other airlines. It’s a handful to each. Nothing like the volume EZY would always take. I would have thought that it was higher than 30% going to EZY. To be honest from what I hear I would have thought it was more like 30% going elsewhere than EZY???
CTC won't be able to place anywhere near as many to EZY over the next couple of years. No growth. Few command upgrades. Very few leaving. Few retiring. Beyond that who knows. But I see things slowing down markedly for CTC unless a new "customer" starts to take the same volumes in the desert or Asia.
There is an oversupply in the market. Definitely. At EZY flexi crew are flying less this summer than they did before. Still flying a reasonable amount but the flexi crew I fly with are definitely doing less than before.
Not many are returned to the hold pool. It has happened before and will happen after this summer when one course will go back to CTC. The better ones will be asked to return the following year apparently.
Add in that PARC seem to be supplying more and more to EZY also. In summary I think things are slowing down for CTC but they appear to know it and be trying to find alternative places for cadets. I would be cautious if starting now though. Not that anyone will listen mind.
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I'm starting on CP100 in September on the first Flybe Wings programme. I have been going through all the various admin things such as BBVA etc.
Have read through the joining pack it explains a lot about accomodation in the UK and what you'd expect. Just out of curiosity, what is the accomodation like whilst doing your ground school and intermediate training in the UK?
I know it's a rented, furnished and self-catering but wasn't sure if it's a complex such as university halls (I know it's not a caompus, just saying if its that type of building) but other people would be around you who aren't associated with flying or if you are in a terraced type house sharing with 4 or 5 other cadets on your course.
Any description of the type of accomodation would be perfect, cheers!
Have read through the joining pack it explains a lot about accomodation in the UK and what you'd expect. Just out of curiosity, what is the accomodation like whilst doing your ground school and intermediate training in the UK?
I know it's a rented, furnished and self-catering but wasn't sure if it's a complex such as university halls (I know it's not a caompus, just saying if its that type of building) but other people would be around you who aren't associated with flying or if you are in a terraced type house sharing with 4 or 5 other cadets on your course.
Any description of the type of accomodation would be perfect, cheers!
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Houses normally of 5 people, usually a modern detached house. Only exception would be those who stayed at Ashurst Lodge (google it) but that had a swimming pool!
Our house was a standard <10 yearold detached, mixture of single rooms and doubles with some ensuites. Neighbours were a mix but nobody from CTC lived near us. Some lived in Hamble, some in Ashurst and the others in the Eastleigh area. As far as I know, there are now a few houses in Hamble that CTC rent so that is probably the biggest concentration of cadets. Same deal in Bournemouth and Clearways/Peachgrove in New Zealand.
Our house was a standard <10 yearold detached, mixture of single rooms and doubles with some ensuites. Neighbours were a mix but nobody from CTC lived near us. Some lived in Hamble, some in Ashurst and the others in the Eastleigh area. As far as I know, there are now a few houses in Hamble that CTC rent so that is probably the biggest concentration of cadets. Same deal in Bournemouth and Clearways/Peachgrove in New Zealand.
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Student card
Does anyone know if CTC cadets are eligible to have a student card? Most cards (NUS and ISIC) imply that as long as you are in full time education, that is enough. Seems like it ought to be legit but wondered if anyone had already explored this.
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I got an ISIC card from STA Travel in Southampton without any problems. In New Zealand, you can use your CTC ID anywhere and they will take it. You are not eligible for an NUS so you cant use it for discounts at home.
I got an ISIC card from STA Travel in Southampton without any problems. In New Zealand, you can use your CTC ID anywhere and they will take it. You are not eligible for an NUS so you cant use it for discounts at home.
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Are you seriously spending the best part of £100k during such a severe recession?
People taking this kind of gamble do not have the judgement to management risk in an airline environment. Those who can afford to loose it = fair enough however.
People taking this kind of gamble do not have the judgement to management risk in an airline environment. Those who can afford to loose it = fair enough however.
Ski season?
I am sure people can find some work. If I recall, the first BBVA payments are reduced and they go up afterwards a year or so. A hard worker can probably raise that money if necessary. I had 1 full time job and 2 part time jobs before starting with CTC, if you arn't fussy and can be bothered to work then it is doable (but I am not guaranteeing it will be fun).
Only a quarter to a third have gone to EZY this year according to the latest figures.
I am sure people can find some work. If I recall, the first BBVA payments are reduced and they go up afterwards a year or so. A hard worker can probably raise that money if necessary. I had 1 full time job and 2 part time jobs before starting with CTC, if you arn't fussy and can be bothered to work then it is doable (but I am not guaranteeing it will be fun).
Only a quarter to a third have gone to EZY this year according to the latest figures.
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FANS, there is no risk to manage. CTC will provide all the milk and honey.
It's become a sport watching these usernames reappear in 12-18 months time asking incredulously why they have't found a job!
It's become a sport watching these usernames reappear in 12-18 months time asking incredulously why they have't found a job!