TheBeak

He clearly trains there......

I wouldn't get excited about Jet Republic, have you see the state of NetJets?

Alltheway

More positive feedback from the beak...Suitable name

sharpclassic

cmvidini,

Yes, The Beak is probably one of the most cynical posters on here, but he/she speaks a lot of truth.

If you want to go and spend however many thousands of pounds on the AQC and then sit in the hold pool for YEARS watching cadets who started years after you entered the hold pool get placements ahead of you (WHEN they start getting placements again), by all means, be our guest.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing :-)

TheBeak

It is a suitable name - thanks.

cmvidini do what you need to do mate, I am not trying to shoot you down. Being in the CTC ATP holdpool will do nothing for you for the next 3 years minimum apart from add to your debt. I know nothing of your financial status or your current employment, so maybe that works for you. Get real though, I am not being cynical, I am being realistic. One day things will improve, but it wont be soon. You are in denial if you don't see that. And for you to really believe that CTC are opening the ATP scheme for anything other than improved resource efficiency, some cash flow and a bit of marketing is insane, desperate and, to be fair, understandable given the painful times we face in the industry.

Don't get tetchy, take some advice.

Ollie23

cmvidini I meant you could just read through this thread if you want details, its all in here, you don’t need to search for other threads.

The Beak is telling it how it is I’m afraid, sorry if you don't like what you hear.

free_hat

RTJones,

As cmvidini asked, can you please state your source? I have no doubt that you talk the truth, its just that on this subject I think it is important to separate hearsay from fact. Im sure your post is the latter.

If Cadet pilots are not going to be placed at JR then this is an important point as if the EZY contract is not renewed in 2010 (if ezy start pay to fly or CTC felxicrew becomes the norm for EZY than that might be a possibility) and JR is ATP only, then the placement opportunities for wings pilots are low. Now we just need to confirm the facts to say that the above is true.

The thread was beginning to take on a good factual line there! When it does, its useful! Unfortunately there are a lot of overly negative non CTC posters, and overly positive Cadets!

On a separate line, can someone clear something up for me? If a wings pilot is taken on and then not placed, is this worse or better for CTC than not taking the pilot in the first place? ie. up to point of placement, do CTC fork out more than the bond value (69k), and assuming that they will be able to place the cadet which would result in the placement airline paying CTC the delta between the bond and what CTC paid for training?

I ask the question because if the placement opportunities take a vast dip, is it in CTCs interests to reduce cadet intake?

TheBeak

The cost to CTC for individual pilot training is NOT more than £69000. Of course they make a profit. There is NO sponsorship. They have an agreement with EZY that they will supply a portion of their FO pilot needs. They would rather place you because they will get a fee for a TR and on Flexicrew a fee for a contract pilot but they do NOT lose anything more than that if you are not placed. Here is a lesson for you because it seems some guys and girls are seeing what they want to see - you are where you are and what is around you is what is around you - DO NOT try and make your surroundings fit the map......if you know what I mean. You desperately want it to be a sponsorship, you desperately want there to be some tie in and buy in by CTC but there isn't. They can use you to sell a complimentary good, yes, but if they don't they have only lost a further sale in the form of a TR. Now it is a plus that they will be trying to make that sale and it is a plus that they do not want to lose there USP in the form of a possible job but it is by NO MEANS GUARANTEED AND IS CERTAINLY NOT TIME SPECIFIC. They certainly would not turn away fee paying trainees on the basis of having a buliding pool, that would be crazy - they are a business. And besides 'there is a pilot shortage looming!'

Be wary of having all your eggs in one basket which I feel is a slight flaw in the training model. As I have said before though, as a cadet it does no harm having CTC have the motivation for an additional sale with in you. Do not base your willingness to join on there ability to place you - 2 years is a LONG time and no one knows what could happen. If you are set on an integrated course, pick one and strongly consider CTC, OAT and FTE.

R T Jones

As the beak correctly says I am a trainee with them, I am always slightly nervous about posting too much information on here as it is a public forum. Whether what we have been told is still applicable today is difficult to say, I get the impression that in the airline industry that things change day to day. No further recruitment for the year on Monday may been 50 pilots needed on Tuesday.

There are rumours going around about if and how many of the cadets placed at easy this year will be kept on. Personally I think they will keep some, but I really have no idea how many. This is simply based on my own thoughts and has not been influenced from anything I have heard from CTC.

Perhaps starry eyed and wet behind the ears, but I do believe that CTC are trying to get cadets into airlines. Probably for their own financial benefit rather than the love of us as people, but as I've said, I feel glad that I have them fighting my corner than nothing at all.

One observation I've made is the last time the ATP scheme was opened, it was only open for a matter of days, its been over a month so far. Take from that as you will.

a320yes

I just wanted to say again that we are living the worst depression since the II World War, and of course no one is going to give jobs (let alone low-hour pilots) like 3 years ago. I already fly for an airline, and the majority of people I fly with have had to fight A LOT to get where they are. I mean years and years of instructing, building hours in remote places (not just the U.S), lots of financial problems which of course affects family life etc....
I can assure you, that if they had had the opportunity to wait those "terrible" 2 years for an airline job they would have done it extremely happy. They would have saved 6 or 7 years of problems that way...

Zippy Monster

I would personally say it's more likely to be zero - based on the company having stated they are not having any permanent recruitment this year and the fact that there are hardly any command upgrades (and consequently no vacancies freed up for new permanent F/Os.) If they do require any crew in the winter in the short term, I'd suggest they're likely to be on FlexiCrew terms and if they do, it won't be many at all. Just my 2p.

A and C

I had a look at the CTC headquaters the other day and I have to say that I was very impressed with the professional way it was all set up.

On the face of it much better than when I started in this game thirty years ago............... and then I started looking at who was paying for the place and had to re think my ideas.

If you have the money CTC (& Oxford) are the "out of a box" answer to the ATPL question, all that is required of you is to turn up and study hard, but make no mistake you are paying top dollar for the plush accomodation.

But if you have the apptitude and are up to putting the thing together for your self the modular way will save you IRO £20,000 I would guess. Yes it is harder to do but I think that you are likely (if you make it all the way) to be a more rounded person and a more experienced pilot.

hi55i

My apologies if this question seems a little off the track but couldn't see anywhere else better to post it.

Anyhoo, just wondered whether anyone could give me advice on taking a loved one over to New Zealand for the duration of the CTC training there. She's a special woman who I wouldn't leave for a year and she would love the chance to get some work abroad for a time also .

Can partners live in CTC's accommodation with you or can CTC help arrange other living quarters? What have others done?

Thanx in advance

Bambe

It is definitly possible, some guys here came with their girlfriend (lucky)... When you'll receive the Application Pack you'll find everything relevant inside....

I left mine in Europe and if things were to be done again I would for sure take her with me, it's such an adventure!

Good luck

Ollie23

Why would you want to bring her?! You’ll have much more fun out here sans girlfriend!

On a serious note, i know people that have, so its def possible.

iKaresz

Hello guys!

I am a 16-year-old Hungarian boy and I'm planning to join CTC wings cadet program. I wrote a mail to CTC but I need a fast answer about the selecting, because I have to choose my science based subject in 2 days. Here in Hungary we have grades from 1-5 (5 is the best) and my question would be wich are the accepted science based subjects (I am planning to get Maths and Biology). Level C means at least sixty percent at high-school-graduation? And I would like to get an answer to the payment, since 60000 pounds is quite a lot money, I heard a solution relating to bancs, that you have to pay only part of that money and the other will be gotten from your future salary. How much is this 'part of the money'?

Thanks indeed

TheBeak

I hate to wee on your camp fire but try £77000 and it isn't alot of money relatively speaking for an integrated course. It is about the norm.

I think you have misunderstood the scheme, like MANY others. You pay for it and IF in the incredibly unlikely event you are taken on permanently by ONLY Easyjet beyond the 6 month 'freebie' period then you will be on a reduced salary and your course costs will be repayed over a bonded period.

As for the subjects, do the best you can without going out of your depth. Maths and Sciences are the best bet.

iKaresz

So if I'm right, this is the only way to get that method for not paying the whole price together. Well yes, this price is kinda normal but in one piece, it's a lot of money for everyone I think. And then yep Biology and Maths will be great for me And this CTC wings program guarantees you a job after the training, am I right?

TheBeak

I think I see what you mean - at any flight training organisation worth going to you will not have to pay all the money up front in one go, you will pay in monthly or quarterly installments or at turning points in the training.

No CTC most certainly does not guarantee you a job - no where does I am afraid mate.

iKaresz

Yep but that would be the best for me if they would get it from my salary later, because i'm afraid my family can't affor that kinda money in a 'short time period'. So is there any posibility to do this? Sorry i'm a bit confused

TheBeak

As I understand it, and please anyone correct me if I am wrong - you will take out a secured loan - secured against something like your parents house and the bank will pay that money, to the tune of £77000ish, to CTC by their payment schedule, whatever that may be. Then, provided you pass the course, which I am sure you would, you would enter a hold pool of trainees. You would then wait your turn for an airline position to come up. If it came up. You would only have a reduced payscale if you went to Easyjet permanently. The reduced payscale because Easyjet would pay back your 'bond' AKA debt (note that I use the word YOUR not CTCs or the airlines). All other airlines take trainees on the same basis as any other FTOs trainees. You will need to find the money up front in all instances I know of I am afraid, we have all had to and it is the case wherever you train. Have you considered the military as a financially cheaper option?

Please anyone correct me if this is not the process at CTC.