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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 3rd May 2009, 08:45
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Thankfully I didn't need to go through all 472 pages - just clicked search on the PDF document for the words "going concern".

Only chose HSBC as I bank with them and it was the first name that came into my head where I thought their accounts would be freely available on the net.
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Old 9th May 2009, 11:05
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Also, another quick question. I'm doing a little research for a friend. What are the selection/entry ratios for CTC compared to Oxford. Much has been said about CTC's 5% pass rate in selection. What's OAA's like in comparison?

P.S. Just looking for numbers here people, not a tirade viz a viz the OAA/CTC debate.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 18:53
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I heard it was about 40% for Oxford. I thought it seemed a bit high so it might be wrong. I know two people who have been/ are at Oxford, one loves it and one didn't and recommended CTC so it just depends what you want.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 19:10
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But given your mate didn't train at CTC it's a pretty worthless recommendation. I don't mean to sound arsey but it is. He may well be believing the hype......If you are going to get your money all secured and you are hell bent on an integrated course, just pick one out of the hat - I don't know anyone who has said they would recommend Oxford, I don't know anyone who has said they would recommend Cabair and I have met a few who would recommend FTE and CTC. But they don't know what the other FTOs were like. You WILL have delays because of weather, aircraft going tech, useless operations staff etc. wherever you go. There will be some good instructors and some dreadful ones. And it'll all be very annoying. And it will, as a matter of fact, all be the fault of the FTO, even the weather - after all they chose to train pilots in that location.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 20:01
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I don't want to start another debate, I'd say they've all got their good and bad points and the guy thats finished training at Oxford has been working with an airline for a few years and is just going by what he's heard from people who have trained at CTC. He still thinks Oxford is good, he just didn't like the structure of their course but my other mate loves it. The best idea is just to pick what FTOs course you think would suit you best.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 23:27
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I agree with The Beak. CTC is far from perfect, but this is what the job is all about I guess.
Delays, bad weather, aircraft tech.... I have learnt to never make plans on my flying days even if the schedule tells me I'll be finished by the time.
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Old 25th May 2009, 15:05
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All I see on this CTC Cadets thread is a lot of aspiring pilots having their dreams shat on by people who didn't get in. I just read someone say "Far from perfect" (Sorry who-ever you are I know you weren't moaning), well, yes but you know, "boo-hoo" the grass will always be greener whereever you go. Delayed or not, you'll still be in a better position after 2 years with CTC than any other flying school and if being a pilot really has been a life long dream then you'll be prepared to take a few hits on the chin, moan about it subtly but deal with it. And who's this slating the DA42? I naturally assume you've never flown one before nor do you have any technical knowledge of its design or implementation because if you had your opinions would dramatically change. If you wish to comment on the Twinstar's early failures may I suggest you also research about it's current performance and maybe explain why a leading Univeristy in New Zealand, Royal Thai Air Force and our very own Royal Air Force have all recently placed multiple orders for the type?

So to all you aspiring cadets in the middle of applying or who have already got in to CTC, best of luck to you. As a cadet who's seen the best and the worst of NZ and who today sits quietly in the holding pool waiting for things to pick up (and they will pick up, this isn't the first time aviation has been ball deep in financial difficulty) I can tell you for free that the guys and girls who go through training with the right attitude by just getting on with the job in hand rather than moaning about things they can't control are the people who by far achieve the best results and get the most out of their time here.

As a little motivational boost to these people, I made a little tribute video to the UK phase of CTC training in Bournemouth. Hope you enjoy!



P.S. We all bitched in NZ, that's just life but ask any ex CTC cadet now who doesn't look back at the NZ and UK phase and say "actually yeah, that was #@$%ing awesome" Oh and any moaning at me and my (experienced) thoughts will go blissfully un-noticed, this is the first time i've been on this forum since the begining of 2007.

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Old 25th May 2009, 23:47
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Living and learning to fly in NZ is a great experience. There are many wonderful times to be had out there, on both the flying and the social front, and CTC is a great place to learn your trade. There are some negative points to the NZ side as well, however, and there's nothing wrong with expressing an opinion about them. I know some of the 'bitching' was fully justified when I was there. To be honest, I don't actually see who or what your complaint is aimed at, other than the comments about the Twin Star. Are you just bored in the hold pool or something?

Oh and any moaning at me and my (experienced) thoughts will go blissfully un-noticed
Interesting line to take, when you've just been banging on about having 'the right attitude' in the previous paragraph. "I've had my say, and I don't care what you think." Did you not bother turning up for the CRM classes at AQC? Hope you feel better after the rant!
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Old 26th May 2009, 06:59
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I don't really see who the Twinstar comments were aimed at either, really the only things said about the Twinstar were:

The G1000 and the DA42 are fantastic bits of kit
and:

With the new engines however I am sure the DA42 will be fine
With a bit of reasoning why they were perhaps not the best choice for a company that couldn't be further away from the manufacturer. The RAF are nice and close and they bought ONLY two which is not exactly the worlds biggest commitment. As for the others, they probably had a deal made with them - money talks.

So I think your other 'little rant' was unjustified. You have two eyes one mouth, exercise them in that order.
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Old 27th May 2009, 23:46
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To attempt to bring some focus back toward what this thread was supposed to be for, I thought I would post a list of useful sites I put together in preperation for my interview. I hope any prospective CTC applicants find this useful, it certainly helped see me through phase 3(which now forms the final selection stage).

A couple of caveats to the links below, please note firstly that some links may no longer work due to the list being 7 months old, and secondly the links to documents may not provide you with the latest information, especially when relating to EU/JAR Ops and other regulations.

As a final note, some partner airlines have been added, most notably Easyjet Swiss/Suisse, citijet etc, so with this and the above points taken into consideration, do not rely on this list to cover everything, do the research!


Regulations/Authorities
ETOPS/LROPS - ETOPS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Class 1 Med Vision Standards - http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/49/SRG_MED...s%5B538%5D.pdf
JAA - Joint Aviation Authorities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CAA - Civil aviation authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BAA - BAA Limited - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
NATS - National Air Traffic Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Airbus vs Boeing
Competition between Boeing vs Airbus - Competition between Airbus and Boeing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Difference in Controls - http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=267468
Difference between (General) - http://www.pprune.org/forums/archive...p/t-10294.html

Boeing
Boeing Company - Boeing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
747 - Boeing 747 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
737 General - Boeing 737 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
737 Technical - The Boeing 737 Technical Site
737 Even more technical! - SmartCockpit - Boeing 737 New Generation
757 General - Boeing 757 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
767 General - Boeing 767 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
777 General - Boeing 777 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
New Developments (787) - Boeing 787 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
New Developments (747-8) - Boeing 747-8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Airbus
Airbus Company - Airbus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Airbus Website - Airbus - Welcome to Airbus.com!
A320 Family - A320 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A330 - Airbus A330 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A300 - Airbus A300 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A310 - Airbus A310 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A380 - Airbus A380 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A340 - Airbus A340 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A350 - Airbus A350 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Airbus UK - Airbus UK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

General Reading/Technical
Flaps - Flap (aircraft) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Slats - Slats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wing Fence - Wing fence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Winglets/Wingtip Devices - Wingtip device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Landing Gear/Undercarriage - Undercarriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gas Turbine Engine - Gas turbine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Narrow-Body Aircraft - Narrow-body aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wide-Body Aircraft - Wide-body aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Control Systems - Aircraft flight control systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pratt and Whitney - Pratt & Whitney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fixed wing aircraft - Fixed-wing aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Open Skies - Open skies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Flight Global - Aviation News and Aviation Jobs from Flightglobal

Aerodynamics
Induced Drag - Lift-induced drag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Parasitic Drag - Parasitic drag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Angle of Attack - Angle of attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Vortex - Vortex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wake Turbulence - Wake turbulence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interview
Difficult Interview Questions - http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ight=Interview

Airlines/Associated Partners
British Airways (Official Website) - Travel Services Information - British Airways
British Airways (General) - British Airways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
British Airways (Fleet) - British Airways - Fleet facts
British Airways (Destinations) - British Airways - Route maps
British Airways (Environment) - One Destination - British Airways

Monarch (Official Website) - Monarch Airlines > Cheap Flights
Monarch (General) - Monarch Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Monarch (History) - Monarch Airlines | About Us | history
Monarch (Fleet) - Monarch Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Monarch (Destinations) - Monarch Airlines | Where We Fly | scheduled flight route map
Monarch (Environment) - Monarch Airlines | About Us | environment & CO2 offsetting

First Choice (Parent Company) - TUI Travel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
First Choice (Travel Firm) - TUI Travel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
First Choice (Travel Firm Official Website) - First Choice | Information
First Choice (Airways) - First Choice Airways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
First Choice (Airways Fleet) - First Choice | Information
First Choice (Airways Destinations) - First Choice Airways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
First Choice (Airways Environment) - First Choice | Information

ThomsonFly (Parent Company) - TUI Travel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThomsonFly (Official Website) - Thomson Flights ? all the assurances and service you?ve come to expect from Thomson - Company
ThomsonFly (Fleet) - Thomson Flights ? all the assurances and service you?ve come to expect from Thomson - Company
ThomsonFly (Destinations) - Thomson Flights ? all the assurances and service you?ve come to expect from Thomson - Destinations
ThomsonFly (Environment) - Thomson Holidays - Greener travel with Thomsonfly

EasyJet (Official Website) - Flight booking, hotels and car hire - easyJet.com
EasyJet (General) - EasyJet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
EasyJet (Destinations) - Where we fly - easyJet route map
EasyJet (Fleet) - easyJet.com - Aircraft and fleet information
EasyJet (Environment) - easyJet.com - for green, environmentally-friendly, low emissions, low cost air travel

Thomas Cook (Official Website) - http://www.thomascook.com/content/ab...s-homepage.asp
Thomas Cook (General) - Thomas Cook Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thomas Cook (Destinations) - http://www.thomascook.com/content/de...s-homepage.asp
Thomas Cook (Fleet) - Thomas Cook Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thomas Cook (Seat configurations) - Your Seat. Your Choice.
Thomas Cook (Environment) - http://www.thomascookgroup.com/media/tcg_hse_2007.pdf

My Travel (Parent Company) - Thomas Cook Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My Travel (Former Company Info) - MyTravel Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My Travel (Airline) - MyTravel Airways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My Travel (About Current) - http://www.mytravel.com/AniteNextPag...20&s=787652877
My Travel (Destinations) - http://www.mytravel.com/AniteNextPag...670&s=78778887
My Travel (Environment) - http://www.mytravel.com/AniteNextPag...ROMOTION_63584

Jet2 (Official Website) - Jet2.com | Questions
Jet2 (General) - Jet2.com | Questions
Jet2 (Destinations) - Flight Destinations | Low Cost Flights to Europe | Jet2.com
Jet2 (Fleet) - Jet2.com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jet2 (Environment) - https://www.jet2.com/News.aspx?id=214

Industry
Air Transport in the UK - Air transport in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Aviation and the Environment - Aviation and the environment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 30th May 2009, 15:24
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Wow! There is preparation and then there is PREPARATION!!
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Old 30th May 2009, 15:36
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Well, you could read all that.... or you could just turn up and not be a complete muppet and walk straight (cash dependent) into CTCs open arms.

5 years ago when they were only taking 1.5% of all initial applicants, preparation like that may have been useful but now, I really wouldn't bother!
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Old 30th May 2009, 16:38
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Sharpclassic has a point. I researched to a similar level of detail to that mentioned above, spent hours and hours preparing. Turned out I could have got away with next to nothing. A few easy personality based questions and couple of very straight forward questions about which types ezy use (which is common knowledge). This was a few months back, I get the impression it was tougher in the past, but pretty straight forward when I went through. And now you don't even have to have the sim check either!!
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Old 1st Jun 2009, 21:27
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Since when was the sim check requirement dropped then?
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Old 1st Jun 2009, 21:35
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Since a month ago and probably since they were having to reduce application fees anyway otherwise not enough people were applying and so they couldn't sell their 'wonderful' product I would imagine.
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Old 1st Jun 2009, 22:46
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Now come on Beaky, no-one's selling anything. You're not a customer, remember...
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 06:29
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True, how can they get away with still saying that in todays market of FlexiCrew? Who on Earth is the customer? CTC?
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 14:30
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CTC ATP Selection

Dear All,

I have my CTC selection in 2 weeks (ATP) and wondered if you could provide feedback on the numeracy test please?

Type of questions
Conversions needed from memory (KGS to LBS etc...)

Also, if the VOR/RMI style questions still form their computer based testing please?

Any help greatly appreciated.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 15:01
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cmvidni,

Without being rude or patronising, do you know what your chances of a placement are going in via the ATP scheme?
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 15:52
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The only thing I find sometimes funny is that everyone talks about the possibilities of placement....and how many cadets are already in the pool.....when really, NO ONE is going to find a job in the near future except if you have 35k to spare, and even that is not for sure now. Im talking about low-hour guys of course.

So whats the point really? Why is everybody so critical about CTC and wings ATP? I just dont see the difference of waiting at home for an interview, or waiting at home while in a holding pool that has placed 100% of its cadets over the years. It wont give you a job anytime soon, thats true, but things will pick up someday. The point Im trying to make is that many people here very kindly "advise" others about the possibilities of employment, but forget that possibilities of employment are impossible anywhere right now.
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