What the hell are we supposed to do?

[Sunray Minor]

Originally Posted by Bobs-Your-Uncle

I'd love to meet the first charlie uniform november tango that paid for a type rating out of his/her own pocket. Give them one damn good kicking and tell them how they have now destoyed the chances for us lot.

Unfortunately Bob, that's the market economy. Unless you are willing to convert to the more left-leaning political bent of socialism then you had better accept that aviation is almost exclusively a rich man's domain - like horse racing, fast boats and fancy cars.

If prostituting yourself to a TR gets you the job, why is that any worse than prostituting yourself to an extra 20 hours a week working an additional part time job to pay your way into an airline? It still shows committment does it not?

BTW, before you start, I earn 18K after tax, so I can't even afford airtime.

[the aviator1977]

Wingbar,

I'm not trying to be funny but maybe you shouldn't come on here and expose yourself like this. Maybe you should change your name to wingebar! We all have problems mate just deal with them! No-one likes someone who constantly moans all the time.

rgds

The Aviator1977

[inner]

Wingbar, get a grip on your life. Sometimes in life you have to switch a button in your head. At least you have a FI with hours. I know guys with a FI but they don't find a job as instructor. I only have +-350h, do some touristic flights for a company, UNPAID and i 'm looking almost 18 months for a flying job, so far without any result. BUT i'm not complaining, i have a stupid job but at least i can pay my debts and flying with.

How can you think to get a job if you are always complaining?? For a 25 year old 'boy' you should be more optimistic, no matter what your situation is, you got still a whole life and perhaps a 35year long flying career in front of you.

Be a man, switch that button, stop complaining!!

good luck

[Pilot Pete]

Originally Posted by the aviator1977

Wingbar,
I'm not trying to be funny but maybe you shouldn't come on here and expose yourself like this.

Having followed this thread for some time I find I have to agree with 'the aviator 1977'. If you are genuine then you have my sympathy, but I can't help feeling that you have 'exposed' enough of yourself that would make any potential airline employer run a mile, especially if they employ a psychologist to do some of their interviewing. They would NOT contemplate putting you in the seat of one of their aircraft as an FO with the characteristics you have displayed on here. Again, I repeat, IF you are genuine (as some other posters infer) then I think you need to seriously get some help to sort your life out, not just from a career point of view. You are starting to sound irrational (can't make decisions, make decisions and then back down soon after, can't think logically, craving sympathy).

In my opinion you should be no-where near an aircraft in this state, be it an airliner or a C152. I would urge you to seek professional help as you are starting to sound like a stuck record and nobody here can sort your problems out for you, it's like an alcoholic or a depressive; you need external help from a professional who can get YOU to WANT to CONFRONT and SORT OUT your own problems.

All the best

PP

ps. and if you are a wind up merchant, congrats you've done quite well keeping this going thus far, but you are starting to bore.

[wingbar]

Well as of today I am retiring from flying full stop, I doubt I will return in any great rush.....

I am certainly never ever doing any more instruction ever again.

I am going back to the crap jobs in the city, but at least there I gain my sanity, because I am not well, due to all of this....

This is a sensible decision on my part, and if in the future I get my life sorted and I feel ready, I will in 1-2 years have another try at the airlines, because to be honest, thats all I want to do, others have managed to get there straight away, why shouldn't I or any of us other less fortunate modular guys? ...
I ought to pay for a type rating, but it would take 10 years to save up...after all everybody else jumps the ques, why should we be the decent ones? We get f*** all respect for it.


And yes I am seeking help from my Banks...just hope this never happens to anybody else that encounters this awful situation...

Just an after thought but;

Yesterday, my 17 year old cusin was asking me about her prospects about becoming a pilot, she's very bright , doing well at schoolon the harder A'levels.

I suggested she didn't bother as her parents don't have the money for an integrated course or a type rating there after,
I did advise her to look at CTC though, she is still L' bent on becoming a pilot, I just told her straight and gave an unbiased view, and wished her the best, though if she has any sense which she does, she will go into well regarded, well set up profession like Law or Medicine, where one simply can't just throw money in and get any numpty through the door. Which is sadly the reason the 'profession' is now considered a very ordinary, even lowly job, airline pilot is no more, and the regard from the general public is as low as a bus driver and the pay decreasing accordingly...

I will always a have a personal sweet tooth for it though, and hope that one day I get to do it, no matter what the others thought... It's hard when you have this childhood dream, that you have cultivated for years, and have pursued, what entering the ATC at 13 and serving a few years, then saving by working weekends to fly the odd hour at an airfield, then taking the leap and going across the pond 4 times at various stages to gaing hours, then slogging away for the whole thing , bankrupting yourself and others practically....

Really please, if any mothers or fathers read this thread who are thinking of letting their children go in for this, please, consider it all very carefully;
I am a normal guy, who really tried his best, and heck I have even past sim checks and airline' interviews before now, but due to one reason or another (out of my control) they have come to absolutely nothing, and now I have nothing, I look around at my friends who are steadily establishing themselves, with nice jobs, their own places, nice cars, clothes, girlfriends.....I have nothing but a lousy blue book, and a knackered flight case, a headset that works when it wants and a pocket full of dreams.

You lot can read into this what you like, I tell it how it is, no storys, just how it happened for me, you can be rude to me, give me abuse, and tell me the oh so famous 'you'll be alright hahaha! Or You'll get there ! But I know the truth about this industry clear as glass now, and I'm in no rush to get in...shame, you know, it looked really nice for a few years back when I was 7 years old falling in love with aircraft, but then that was a long time a go...its changed, and its gone now...

Well, must dash , I have to find a recruiter I haven't upset, explain the 12months worth of un-employment gaps on my CV and just pray for another chance in my old industry, because after last week my chance at another highly skilled professional job in it are minimal...due to this Aviation..


There you have it,

I will still frequent here from time to time, but just as a retired pilot, who had a passing interest once....

All the very best to you,

WB

[scroggs]

I think we will draw this to a close now. Wingbar can report back in a couple of months when, hopefully, things have settled down in his life.

Scroggs