What the hell are we supposed to do?
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What the hell are we supposed to do?
1) Presently got the whole f***** lot, cpl/ir/mcc/fi
2) Now doing the instructor bit,
3) Now well in excess of 600 tt
4) No airline job in sight,
5) Feel eternally trapped as an FI and under paid entirely
6) I am now on the edge of bankruptcy
7) I have no money for a TR....NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR ONE after spending for the whole lot mentioned above...
8) The one company I was recruited for keeps telling lies....
8) Should I just give in and do something else with my time....
9) I may aswell paint my bum blue and walk around the streets, it would give me a better paid and more rewarding job!
2) Now doing the instructor bit,
3) Now well in excess of 600 tt
4) No airline job in sight,
5) Feel eternally trapped as an FI and under paid entirely
6) I am now on the edge of bankruptcy
7) I have no money for a TR....NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR ONE after spending for the whole lot mentioned above...
8) The one company I was recruited for keeps telling lies....
8) Should I just give in and do something else with my time....
9) I may aswell paint my bum blue and walk around the streets, it would give me a better paid and more rewarding job!
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come on everyone
Lets not be too harsh on wingbar.There are many of us in this position out there and it IS very frustrating.
Wingbar : I can definately feel for you as i am in a similar position myself. It's difficult to stay positive but try and laugh about it. It has worked for me over the past two years. Oh, the gin helps but that another story.
The bum blue thing won't work. I have posted here a few times that I was prepared to put on a pair of tight speedo's and dance round a pole for any HR or captain person but was put off the idea by taste and decency laws.
The financial thing I may PM you on. It may offer some advice as my previous life was in that type of field.
Wingbar : I can definately feel for you as i am in a similar position myself. It's difficult to stay positive but try and laugh about it. It has worked for me over the past two years. Oh, the gin helps but that another story.
The bum blue thing won't work. I have posted here a few times that I was prepared to put on a pair of tight speedo's and dance round a pole for any HR or captain person but was put off the idea by taste and decency laws.
The financial thing I may PM you on. It may offer some advice as my previous life was in that type of field.
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wingbar,
I feel the same, same position like you.
FI(ex FI, I have given up), over 1500h tt, only 2 inteviews in 5 years, I am still not flying.
the only place I have found is asking me to pay for my t/r.
I feel the same, same position like you.
FI(ex FI, I have given up), over 1500h tt, only 2 inteviews in 5 years, I am still not flying.
the only place I have found is asking me to pay for my t/r.
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Hi there,
I don't want to open up a disussion on this but do you mind if i ask if your training was via the modular or integrated route?? Finally if it was via the integrated route do you mind me asking who you trained with?
Wingroot, i really do wish you the very best of luck and hopefully things will start to pick up for you
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I don't want to open up a disussion on this but do you mind if i ask if your training was via the modular or integrated route?? Finally if it was via the integrated route do you mind me asking who you trained with?
Wingroot, i really do wish you the very best of luck and hopefully things will start to pick up for you
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What the hell that has got to do with Wingbars original post I dont know? I wonder student pilot? 
Get your Dad to furnish you with the wedge to do an integrated course. Then you might not be in the afformentioned persons position!
Get your Dad to furnish you with the wedge to do an integrated course. Then you might not be in the afformentioned persons position!
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Actually Shaun Ryder, i'm quite capable of funding the course myself and don't need my dad to furnish me with a wedge of cash to fund the course!!
Don't be so narrow minded, not all integrated students have parents who are well off, some of us have had to work our fingers to the bone to get on an integrated course!!
Don't be so narrow minded, not all integrated students have parents who are well off, some of us have had to work our fingers to the bone to get on an integrated course!!
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Lol, I take it your integrated then! Well get your 150 hours and you will no doubt jump straight into the front seat of an Airbus. This post has nothing to do with being integrated or modular my friend. I think it has something to do with people unable to obtain work in their chosen vocation. Maybe when you consolidate your license you can sell your arse and buy a type rating. So many ways to jump the que!
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My wife, who has spent many years in her career of occupational therapy, tells me of the current ugly situation for newly qualified OT's having completed their four years university with their own financial difficulties and disillusionment and frustration at not working in their chosen field. Coming out with their own "licence "in their hand and working as care assistants. (no disrespect to care asistants)>
I know it's the smallest of consolations but our industry isn't unique in the current turmoil erupting across the marketplace.
I trust you find the job you're searching for. In the meantime, don't fall into the trap of letting your disappointment turn to bitterness. Good luck.
I know it's the smallest of consolations but our industry isn't unique in the current turmoil erupting across the marketplace.
I trust you find the job you're searching for. In the meantime, don't fall into the trap of letting your disappointment turn to bitterness. Good luck.
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So many ways to jump the que! [/quote]
Hi Shaun Ryder
I don't think that doing integrated is the easy way to jump the queue!! The reason i chose integrated is not because i've got money to spare, because believe me that's not the case!!
I chose integrated because it seems to be the type of course that the airlines want and at the end of the day i have to give myself like every other guy out there the best possible chance to land a job!! I also don't think i'm jumping the queue, if you are a good pilot then the airlines should be able to see that regardless of the training route you've taken to obtain your licence!! Whether integrated our modular the end result, i.e. the licence will be the same!!
I'm gonna finish as i did in my orginial post by wishing wingbar and all the other wanabees the best of luck, and also apologising if i've caused any offence by mentioning integrated and modular!!
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[/quote]Hi Shaun Ryder
I don't think that doing integrated is the easy way to jump the queue!! The reason i chose integrated is not because i've got money to spare, because believe me that's not the case!!
I chose integrated because it seems to be the type of course that the airlines want and at the end of the day i have to give myself like every other guy out there the best possible chance to land a job!! I also don't think i'm jumping the queue, if you are a good pilot then the airlines should be able to see that regardless of the training route you've taken to obtain your licence!! Whether integrated our modular the end result, i.e. the licence will be the same!!
I'm gonna finish as i did in my orginial post by wishing wingbar and all the other wanabees the best of luck, and also apologising if i've caused any offence by mentioning integrated and modular!!
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Shaun,
I agree with you sir, we both obviously went to the same school of hard knocks and hard work....which to date has been unrewarded...we'll get there somehow... it's just this industry rewards people with cash rather than those with passion and commitment.....very sad
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I agree with you sir, we both obviously went to the same school of hard knocks and hard work....which to date has been unrewarded...we'll get there somehow... it's just this industry rewards people with cash rather than those with passion and commitment.....very sad
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I'd love to meet the first charlie uniform november tango that paid for a type rating out of his/her own pocket. Give them one damn good kicking and tell them how they have now destoyed the chances for us lot.
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Single question:
Did you ever do any selection to determine your ability before paying over the cash?
Paying for modular training, unselected, and on a course which you know is not what an airline prefers is not only highly risky but highly foolish. Considering the market has probably now passed its peak, it can only be a salutory lesson for someone considering investing his cash, that a hardworking modular chap cannot find an airline job.
The airlines want a low training risk person, with one verifiable training record who can be trained in minimum time from a known standard.
If you have not followed all the advice here and elsewhere and done something else, then I am sorry, but the market has decided.
We are not in a game of charity here - there are too many people who desparately want to be pilots. And that quite frankly leads to too many people giving too much to be pilots, and doing it the cheap does not help at all.
Consider this - there is a reason integrated students are employed above all others. And it is not due to a conspiracy. It is (surprisingly) as they are what the airlines want.
As an aside - watch the X Factor and consider how different the terrible pop star wannabes are from all those who want to get into flying, and ignore all advice, and play it by their own rules. There may be some who make it, but most do not.
Did you ever do any selection to determine your ability before paying over the cash?
Paying for modular training, unselected, and on a course which you know is not what an airline prefers is not only highly risky but highly foolish. Considering the market has probably now passed its peak, it can only be a salutory lesson for someone considering investing his cash, that a hardworking modular chap cannot find an airline job.
The airlines want a low training risk person, with one verifiable training record who can be trained in minimum time from a known standard.
If you have not followed all the advice here and elsewhere and done something else, then I am sorry, but the market has decided.
We are not in a game of charity here - there are too many people who desparately want to be pilots. And that quite frankly leads to too many people giving too much to be pilots, and doing it the cheap does not help at all.
Consider this - there is a reason integrated students are employed above all others. And it is not due to a conspiracy. It is (surprisingly) as they are what the airlines want.
As an aside - watch the X Factor and consider how different the terrible pop star wannabes are from all those who want to get into flying, and ignore all advice, and play it by their own rules. There may be some who make it, but most do not.
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There will always be people doing it anyway....
But,
Don't do it if:
- You have to borrow lots of £££. You will only shoot yourself in the foot.
- You do it following modular/self-improver route
- You do not have good contacts, ie your uncle is the chief pilot at xxx or your best pal is a captain at xxx
That is all it comes down to nowadays. CV's are a waste of time, and as I said, it is not what you know, but who you know, regardless of ability.
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Single question:
(Paying for modular training, unselected, and on a course which you know is not what an airline prefers is not only highly risky but highly foolish.)
Oh Yeah? So everyone who does this is foolish?
(The airlines want a low training risk person, with one verifiable training record who can be trained in minimum time from a known standard.)
So obviously if are not able to got the integrated route, you will never be worthy of being a proffessional pilot?
(If you have not followed all the advice here and elsewhere and done something else, then I am sorry, but the market has decided.)
So all the advice here is obviously the best?
(We are not in a game of charity here - there are too many people who desparately want to be pilots. And that quite frankly leads to too many people giving too much to be pilots, and doing it the cheap does not help at all.)
Doing it on the cheap, do me a favour!
(Consider this - there is a reason integrated students are employed above all others. And it is not due to a conspiracy. It is (surprisingly) as they are what the airlines want.)
Not true either!
(As an aside - watch the X Factor and consider how different the terrible pop star wannabes are from all those who want to get into flying, and ignore all advice, and play it by their own rules. There may be some who make it, but most do not.)
(Paying for modular training, unselected, and on a course which you know is not what an airline prefers is not only highly risky but highly foolish.)
Oh Yeah? So everyone who does this is foolish?
(The airlines want a low training risk person, with one verifiable training record who can be trained in minimum time from a known standard.)
So obviously if are not able to got the integrated route, you will never be worthy of being a proffessional pilot?
(If you have not followed all the advice here and elsewhere and done something else, then I am sorry, but the market has decided.)
So all the advice here is obviously the best?
(We are not in a game of charity here - there are too many people who desparately want to be pilots. And that quite frankly leads to too many people giving too much to be pilots, and doing it the cheap does not help at all.)
Doing it on the cheap, do me a favour!
(Consider this - there is a reason integrated students are employed above all others. And it is not due to a conspiracy. It is (surprisingly) as they are what the airlines want.)
Not true either!
(As an aside - watch the X Factor and consider how different the terrible pop star wannabes are from all those who want to get into flying, and ignore all advice, and play it by their own rules. There may be some who make it, but most do not.)
Lucifer, you are full of it!
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I agree Shaun, he is full of Tripe,
He evidently hasn't even finished his training, and therefore should keep his integrated gob shut.
Because I know several people, who thought that INTEGRATED was brilliant, one now sells furniture and the other is at Tesco's - and thats as serious as thunder.
Another thing, my training with the addtion of a 7,000 k rating to be an FI now brings my training costs in excess of most integrated courses thank you lucifer!
And Lucifer when you actually get in this industry, at any level, be careful not to piss anyone off....
WB
He evidently hasn't even finished his training, and therefore should keep his integrated gob shut.
Because I know several people, who thought that INTEGRATED was brilliant, one now sells furniture and the other is at Tesco's - and thats as serious as thunder.
Another thing, my training with the addtion of a 7,000 k rating to be an FI now brings my training costs in excess of most integrated courses thank you lucifer!
And Lucifer when you actually get in this industry, at any level, be careful not to piss anyone off....
WB
Wingbar - been where you are now, keep slogging away and you'll probably make it in the next year or so. Things often appear out of the blue in the world of job hunting.
The only advantage to an Integrated course is that the large school MIGHT get a call from an airline looking for new cadets to interview as you approach the end of your training. In this way you MIGHT get an interview and MIGHT get selected for an airline job straight out of school.
If that doesn't happen then six months down the line it doesn't matter if you spent £80k at the Worlds Premier Academy of Aviation Excellence or at Little Piddlington in the Marsh flying club. You'll have a license, no hours and be rusty as hell and therefore fail your simride assessment.
The airlines which sometime advertise saying they require an Integrated training course nearly always end up hiring at least one applicant who did Modular. The exception would be BA. But then BA these days seem to be hiring mostly guys with 1,000's of hours on a jet with another airline.
Getting onto a CTC scheme should be your number one priority. They have placed large numbers of low time cadets with several airlines and look set to continue to do so.
Good luck, its hard to get a first job, always has been.
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The only advantage to an Integrated course is that the large school MIGHT get a call from an airline looking for new cadets to interview as you approach the end of your training. In this way you MIGHT get an interview and MIGHT get selected for an airline job straight out of school.
If that doesn't happen then six months down the line it doesn't matter if you spent £80k at the Worlds Premier Academy of Aviation Excellence or at Little Piddlington in the Marsh flying club. You'll have a license, no hours and be rusty as hell and therefore fail your simride assessment.
The airlines which sometime advertise saying they require an Integrated training course nearly always end up hiring at least one applicant who did Modular. The exception would be BA. But then BA these days seem to be hiring mostly guys with 1,000's of hours on a jet with another airline.
Getting onto a CTC scheme should be your number one priority. They have placed large numbers of low time cadets with several airlines and look set to continue to do so.
Good luck, its hard to get a first job, always has been.
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Well, I'm just about to get ready for work, I have a 3 hour slot with my next student....thats really going to pay the bills.......then we'll probably get some crap weather....
Still the skys blue at the minute....so I can delay the start at Tesco's a little longer.....
WB
Still the skys blue at the minute....so I can delay the start at Tesco's a little longer.....
WB