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Pudknocker,
That’s a bit harsh isn't it? Bit of an assumption bearing in mind you have no idea who Troy is and what he's about, but I suppose, because you are one of the lucky ones waving at FL350, you are allowed to be smug and a little condescending! Where abouts is he in the pool, what job is he doing now (perhaps he is flying and I mean really flying in little aeroplanes, the fun stuff remember?!), what are his TRUE reasons for not taking a job? Any idea? Thought not! If you ask me doing the CTC thing is a pretty pro active way of getting a job without paying for a type rarating. I assume you are bitter about not getting into CTC and that’s where your anger comes from but I'd never say that because I just don't know! Perhaps you are really trying to be helpful and not expressing yourself terribly well?! Just don't know!
I totally agree with your other post, genuinely. Keep looking for other jobs because you never know what is round the corner and what you can get especially having been successfully vetted by CTC. Don't sit on your laurels and all but no need get nasty buddy. Well done on overcoming failure with CTC and finding success. That takes spirit.
Anyway! Lets not get into a typical pprune pointless slagging match and get this thread back on track in good positive spirits! It is a CTC hold pool thread after all! We all want it to work out and I'm sure it will!
That’s a bit harsh isn't it? Bit of an assumption bearing in mind you have no idea who Troy is and what he's about, but I suppose, because you are one of the lucky ones waving at FL350, you are allowed to be smug and a little condescending! Where abouts is he in the pool, what job is he doing now (perhaps he is flying and I mean really flying in little aeroplanes, the fun stuff remember?!), what are his TRUE reasons for not taking a job? Any idea? Thought not! If you ask me doing the CTC thing is a pretty pro active way of getting a job without paying for a type rarating. I assume you are bitter about not getting into CTC and that’s where your anger comes from but I'd never say that because I just don't know! Perhaps you are really trying to be helpful and not expressing yourself terribly well?! Just don't know!
I totally agree with your other post, genuinely. Keep looking for other jobs because you never know what is round the corner and what you can get especially having been successfully vetted by CTC. Don't sit on your laurels and all but no need get nasty buddy. Well done on overcoming failure with CTC and finding success. That takes spirit.
Anyway! Lets not get into a typical pprune pointless slagging match and get this thread back on track in good positive spirits! It is a CTC hold pool thread after all! We all want it to work out and I'm sure it will!
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Maybe pudnoker is a bit harsh there, but you are right searching for a job while you wait has to be worth it?
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If you ask me doing the CTC thing is a pretty pro active way of getting a job
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Yes I do as I stated in my previous post. When I applied to the scheme last year, when things were VERY buoyant, I would have said that there was no better opportunity on the market to get a low houred modular trained guy to the pointy end of a jet for a good quality "career" airline, without paying for a type rating and without being ripped off for salary on completion. I still think that because, if you take out the partner airlines, who else is there to apply to that is a better opportunity on short haul? Perhaps BA but I believe they have been known to take from the hold pool on occasion and the Irish (won't go there!!!!). I personally don't feel that it is worth applying or accepting a position that offers less of an opportunity and terms and conditions than those that CTC's partner airlines are offering, bearing in mind that I have already been accepted and am in a hold pool in which I WAS moving up quite nicely. If you were in a hold pool for easy would you accept a sooner job with say eastern? If you work for Eastern I really don't mean to offend so please don't go there I just wanted to make a point!!!
Is it a good opportunity and a pro active way of getting a job? Hell yes and with a company that currently has a perfect 100% record for placing people. Am I taking a gamble by turning down what I consider lesser jobs? Yes but I think it is a calculated gamble and at my age I want to shoot for the highest I can, to get my career on track. Shame really because if I was younger, I would have loved to fly everything I could get my hands on before the "push button flying". Lets be honest, out of all the flying jobs out there, airline flying has to be the worst if you love flying but it pays for the biggest house whilst still doing more or less what you love. So while the wait is frustrating (because I am proper skint!) I still love flying my little aeroplane around the sky and giving something to my students! FL 350 sounds comparatively dull! Things have slowed down and news has been scarce which I am disappointed with CTC about and by the sounds of things, so are others. On direct contact thou I have been assured that nothing untoward is going on so my gamble still stands and as Shaun says, I hope to not be disappointed.
I hope that gives you an honest answer to your question and why I think it is pro active. All of the above is my opinion and if you want to discuss further please PM me or start another thread about the worth of CTC's opportunity. Please don't hijack this one.
Is it a good opportunity and a pro active way of getting a job? Hell yes and with a company that currently has a perfect 100% record for placing people. Am I taking a gamble by turning down what I consider lesser jobs? Yes but I think it is a calculated gamble and at my age I want to shoot for the highest I can, to get my career on track. Shame really because if I was younger, I would have loved to fly everything I could get my hands on before the "push button flying". Lets be honest, out of all the flying jobs out there, airline flying has to be the worst if you love flying but it pays for the biggest house whilst still doing more or less what you love. So while the wait is frustrating (because I am proper skint!) I still love flying my little aeroplane around the sky and giving something to my students! FL 350 sounds comparatively dull! Things have slowed down and news has been scarce which I am disappointed with CTC about and by the sounds of things, so are others. On direct contact thou I have been assured that nothing untoward is going on so my gamble still stands and as Shaun says, I hope to not be disappointed.
I hope that gives you an honest answer to your question and why I think it is pro active. All of the above is my opinion and if you want to discuss further please PM me or start another thread about the worth of CTC's opportunity. Please don't hijack this one.
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Pilotho; its quite the opposite, I would be surprised if most of us still don't have applications pending in other places. There are no obligations from either side when one enters the holding pool, thus there always remains the risk that you are not guaranteed a job... however in saying that, it is a pretty safe bet.
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Hope everyone is making the most of the summer whilst swimming!
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So what specific reasons were you given for the delay and lack of information?
On direct contact thou I have been assured that nothing untoward is going on so my gamble still stands and as Shaun says, I hope to not be disappointed.
So, finally an update from LW. 39 in the pool is about what we had agreed, and reasons for lack of recruitment mirror our own thoughts - slow time for recruitment this time of year during the summer season, and mergers between 4 of the partners. Thanks for the update CTC.
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Everyone everywhere keeps talking pilot shortages. Its all I keep seeing everywhere.... so..... erm..... We are waiting why?!?!?!? Come on! I'm ready to go and hungrier for it than ever!!
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With Thomas Cook, My Travel and Thomsonfly all threatening to make experienced, type rated pilots redundant, there isn't going to be any pilot shortage. If you're at the back of the holdpool, start applying elsewhere.
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Why on earth would thomas cook be laying off 70 pilots (source ppjn). I know they've merged, but surely they're keeping all the a/c and still need the crew. Frustrating.
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Don't create alarm please... Things are stopped at this time, we know that, CTC knows that and they've just told us about it. Just relax and enjoy your life. Our day will come. Don't worry. Planes still need to be flown by two pilots.
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no need to panic... we are all still in the best position we have ever been in our flying careers. Sure it might mean a bit longer wait, but it'll be well worth it and with the volume of training at Nursling with non-wings partner airlines, another partner might be signed up and the holding pool drained within weeks... everything is possible in this business!
In the meantime, the PMDG B737NG does a good job to help keep proficient...
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In the meantime, the PMDG B737NG does a good job to help keep proficient...
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