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So if I don't share your opinion I know nothing eh? can't win obviously but don't care.
and that is Capital P in Lord Pilotbear
(or in any other nomenclature you would like to add)
enjoy your curry, if i was there I would buy you a Cobra for your tenacity, then again you probably wouldn't accept in case I was wearing Gucci socks.
and that is Capital P in Lord Pilotbear
(or in any other nomenclature you would like to add)enjoy your curry, if i was there I would buy you a Cobra for your tenacity, then again you probably wouldn't accept in case I was wearing Gucci socks.
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Just out of curiosity what IS a fATPL?,
" everyone and their uncle has a fATPL and 300hrs in a Cessna 150 "
Cheers,
PS, not all jobs do require a suit and tie, mind you most do. West Jet airlines here in Canada (A LCC), frown on them. They prefer Khakis and a golf shirt!
" everyone and their uncle has a fATPL and 300hrs in a Cessna 150 "
Cheers,
PS, not all jobs do require a suit and tie, mind you most do. West Jet airlines here in Canada (A LCC), frown on them. They prefer Khakis and a golf shirt!
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My tenacity, pilotbear? In the face of what? Your superior experience and knowlege? Well, just for the record, could you illuminate us with your aviation history and your experience in the field of professional pilot recruitment?
Why do I get the feeling that you regard my experienced point of view as somewhat inferior to yours? The tinge of arrogance in your posts does not reflect the limited experience you appear to have in the flying business - if my research is correct, about 2000 light aircraft hours, as student and FI? As against something the other side of 28 years and 12,000 hours, mostly on very large aircraft (with the exception of 5 years as an RAF QFI and CFI on light aircraft), and direct involvement in RAF and civilian pilot recruitment.
I don't need your approval, and your attempts to effectively over-ride my considered and experienced advice on this subject do you no credit. I have no objection to opinions being stated - that's what this forum is for - but your inputs, which do not appear to have the benefit of experience to back them, are unhelpful and somewhat irritating!
Now, I shall chill and begin the serious business of preparing for tonight's flight...
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Why do I get the feeling that you regard my experienced point of view as somewhat inferior to yours? The tinge of arrogance in your posts does not reflect the limited experience you appear to have in the flying business - if my research is correct, about 2000 light aircraft hours, as student and FI? As against something the other side of 28 years and 12,000 hours, mostly on very large aircraft (with the exception of 5 years as an RAF QFI and CFI on light aircraft), and direct involvement in RAF and civilian pilot recruitment.
I don't need your approval, and your attempts to effectively over-ride my considered and experienced advice on this subject do you no credit. I have no objection to opinions being stated - that's what this forum is for - but your inputs, which do not appear to have the benefit of experience to back them, are unhelpful and somewhat irritating!
Now, I shall chill and begin the serious business of preparing for tonight's flight...
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And please back for Wednesday...........................
Your usual smart casual will do. But then we don't need lessons on how to conduct ourselves when we interview do we. We just pass on our years of experience and make the candidate feel comfortable.
If they read this then they know they will be able to feel comfortable.
Your usual smart casual will do. But then we don't need lessons on how to conduct ourselves when we interview do we. We just pass on our years of experience and make the candidate feel comfortable.
If they read this then they know they will be able to feel comfortable.
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Just havin a read
I have to say that this conversation has actually been of quite a lot of interest to me. It is nice to get several points of view on what constitutes suitable dress for an interview.
I have personally not had an airline interview yet (note the optimism in yet) but as i am hoping for one or more the points highlighted hav been some great advice.
Of course i have to do my training first. If anyone has any advice on good places to train i would be most obliged.
Thanks to all who have posted, heres hoping.
I have personally not had an airline interview yet (note the optimism in yet) but as i am hoping for one or more the points highlighted hav been some great advice.
Of course i have to do my training first. If anyone has any advice on good places to train i would be most obliged.
Thanks to all who have posted, heres hoping.
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All other things being equal to others being interviewed you would lose out.
This is simply on the basis of your skill at written communication.
If you are too lazy to use the shift key on your computer to turn an i into an I, or leave the g off flying, then you may also be too lazy to enter the correct co-ordinates into the INS or GPS.
Communications on the flight deck leave little room for laziness or sloppiness as evident in your post.
Don't take this as absurd criticism as many will. They will be the ones to miss out. I am trying to be helpful. I have had to make some selections and often it is the little things that make the difference.
Try to excell and foster the ambition.
All other things being equal to others being interviewed you would lose out.
This is simply on the basis of your skill at written communication.
If you are too lazy to use the shift key on your computer to turn an i into an I, or leave the g off flying, then you may also be too lazy to enter the correct co-ordinates into the INS or GPS.
Communications on the flight deck leave little room for laziness or sloppiness as evident in your post.
Don't take this as absurd criticism as many will. They will be the ones to miss out. I am trying to be helpful. I have had to make some selections and often it is the little things that make the difference.
Try to excell and foster the ambition.
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Reading this I did think Trinny and Susannah could start a new show! 'Now here's Nigel at his Whizzjet interview looking very spiffy in his Armani suit, but the Paddington socks don't really set it off....
However, Scroggs is spot on. Of course, a loose collar is esential if you sweat or swell under pressure. Passing out even if wearing a great shirt would not be too good.
Better still, get a job with my lot. Last interview was a phone call from the FOD asking if I was still rated, current and could start 'tomorrow'! Great way to get a job.
Hardbit comes as I'm looking for my next job and now have to join the interview merry-go-round!
However, Scroggs is spot on. Of course, a loose collar is esential if you sweat or swell under pressure. Passing out even if wearing a great shirt would not be too good.
Better still, get a job with my lot. Last interview was a phone call from the FOD asking if I was still rated, current and could start 'tomorrow'! Great way to get a job.
Hardbit comes as I'm looking for my next job and now have to join the interview merry-go-round!
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Well how about this then..........
At my Ryanair interview I was asked what I would do if I had an engine failure in my Duchess. As I was explaining I happened to mention the "blue line speed" to which one of the interviewers said " Ah yes! just like the blue in your shirt" Im not taking sides in this debate! however he obviously noticed what I was wearing. As it happens I got the job.
After reading this debate carefully I must say that Scroggs advice seems sound and will be the guidelines I use when I apply for not just airline jobs, but any job. I myself do belive that the way you present is importent in putting accross the image you want! Stand in front of the mirror with the clothes you intend to wear with your eyes closed. Open them and when you see your self you will get an impression. Keep changing ties/ shirts untill you find a combination that when you look at your self, you see a pilot! Maybe its wishful thinking but I think there is some truth in what I've been saying 
Like Scroggs, I'm in the sober suit (that's is comfortable!) eg dark grey or navy blue etc, white or light coloured shirt, shoes that have seen shoe polish & a tie that preferably doesn't scream "HERE'S MY TIE!!" from the across the room.
Get a hair cut if it's been a while & make sure your nails are clean.
No need to be obsessive compulsive about it all. The goal is to look clean & respectable. The sort of person someone would be happy to send their family with.
Get a hair cut if it's been a while & make sure your nails are clean.
No need to be obsessive compulsive about it all. The goal is to look clean & respectable. The sort of person someone would be happy to send their family with.
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On the subject of shirts, try to pick something that won't show those lovely damp sweat patches that like to appear under stressful situations. It isn't always comfortable to spend all day in your jacket, and there is nothing more minging or off-putting than someone in a coloured shirt exhibiting a fine pair of sweaty pits. 
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What top wear at interview
Scroggs, milt and puritan-(sorry, it's me again). Totally agree.
As an ex HR person, may i give a little advice to up and coming interviewee's. Wish i was one of them!
Anyway, please do not go for what the general concensus of opinion is about dress code. Quite simply your dress code has compliment your physical characteristics. This takes most people a long time to find out what suits them. Some people never find that niche and carry on wearing shell suits and that bling stuff way into their thirties. NICE
An employer will generally get his/her first 'gut' instinct about you as a prospective employee within the first 8 seconds of meeting you in an interview stuation. FACT!. Go to waterstones and get a book on interviewing and my above statement will be confirmed. (not nearly enough time to check all your labels and polishing techniques).
Refain from wearing stong after shave/perfume. This could remind the interviewer of a past interview where he/she was not impressed. his is called a psycholigical 'anchor'. i.e. a certain smell reminds you of a past event. Bit 'out there' i know.
There are many companies (not necessarily aviation) that are run by older managers etc. that, through tradition, would only consider a white shirt acceptable for a work environment. It still happens today and is more whidespread than you think. I know that the thinking behind it is a bit dull and plodding, but true.
Much more important is the gaining of rapport in the interview. Such things like:
1. Neutral handshake
2. Open body language
3. Matching and mirroring body langauge
4. Voice frequency and tone.
5. Eye contact and accessing cues.
6. Voice projection and style.
If anyone is going for an interview and is hasn't alot of experience in an interview situation, then PM me on any of the above and i will be more than happy to elaborate.
Remember, that alot of companies use the 'Structured Interview Technique'.
This is where you are asked about a general situation where you were an integral part of. You must however give a SPECIFIC example of your role in that situation. Sounds obvious but it's amazing how many people dry up or 'umm' their way through an example. It does not look good.
Don't lie, Don't be theatrical, dont go over the top (start crying and call your flying experiences 'beautiful moments')
My caveat here i that my experiences are with major blue chip companies and not in aviation. So please don't shoot me down in flames if you feel that an aviation interview is structured completely differently.
JTK
As an ex HR person, may i give a little advice to up and coming interviewee's. Wish i was one of them!
Anyway, please do not go for what the general concensus of opinion is about dress code. Quite simply your dress code has compliment your physical characteristics. This takes most people a long time to find out what suits them. Some people never find that niche and carry on wearing shell suits and that bling stuff way into their thirties. NICE
An employer will generally get his/her first 'gut' instinct about you as a prospective employee within the first 8 seconds of meeting you in an interview stuation. FACT!. Go to waterstones and get a book on interviewing and my above statement will be confirmed. (not nearly enough time to check all your labels and polishing techniques).
Refain from wearing stong after shave/perfume. This could remind the interviewer of a past interview where he/she was not impressed. his is called a psycholigical 'anchor'. i.e. a certain smell reminds you of a past event. Bit 'out there' i know.
There are many companies (not necessarily aviation) that are run by older managers etc. that, through tradition, would only consider a white shirt acceptable for a work environment. It still happens today and is more whidespread than you think. I know that the thinking behind it is a bit dull and plodding, but true.
Much more important is the gaining of rapport in the interview. Such things like:
1. Neutral handshake
2. Open body language
3. Matching and mirroring body langauge
4. Voice frequency and tone.
5. Eye contact and accessing cues.
6. Voice projection and style.
If anyone is going for an interview and is hasn't alot of experience in an interview situation, then PM me on any of the above and i will be more than happy to elaborate.
Remember, that alot of companies use the 'Structured Interview Technique'.
This is where you are asked about a general situation where you were an integral part of. You must however give a SPECIFIC example of your role in that situation. Sounds obvious but it's amazing how many people dry up or 'umm' their way through an example. It does not look good.
Don't lie, Don't be theatrical, dont go over the top (start crying and call your flying experiences 'beautiful moments')
My caveat here i that my experiences are with major blue chip companies and not in aviation. So please don't shoot me down in flames if you feel that an aviation interview is structured completely differently.
JTK
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Can't quite believe this thread on what to wear in an interview has got to be 4 pages long...! "same as you'd wear to any professional job interview" would have done it I reckon
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JTK makes some very valid points, though (as he acknowleges) the interview for a pilot job is perhaps a little different from those for industry.
Most of you will be attempting to obtain a job you've never done before. On those grounds, it's difficult to impress by giving examples of previous achievements in this field! Some employers (like BA) will go to town on you as a potential manager (it's a little unlikely, but that's the way they do things) and therefore JTK's stuff applies 100%. Others regard the interview as just a brief chat to see if they can live with you - the professional assessment will be done in the sim, or in the air for smaller companies. Therefore there is less need to impress in the interview; the priority here is not upsetting the interviewer so that you get the chance to show your stuff at the controls!
But we could go on forever - each company has its own distinct style of interviewing, and you are best getting information from those who have gone before you at your target employer - there is lots of archive info here if you search, and don't forget to check on the Terms and Endearments forum also.
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Most of you will be attempting to obtain a job you've never done before. On those grounds, it's difficult to impress by giving examples of previous achievements in this field! Some employers (like BA) will go to town on you as a potential manager (it's a little unlikely, but that's the way they do things) and therefore JTK's stuff applies 100%. Others regard the interview as just a brief chat to see if they can live with you - the professional assessment will be done in the sim, or in the air for smaller companies. Therefore there is less need to impress in the interview; the priority here is not upsetting the interviewer so that you get the chance to show your stuff at the controls!
But we could go on forever - each company has its own distinct style of interviewing, and you are best getting information from those who have gone before you at your target employer - there is lots of archive info here if you search, and don't forget to check on the Terms and Endearments forum also.
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Just about to start interviewing the Pprune Ground School scholarship candidates - we'll see how many have read and understood this thread!
Just 'cos I can, I'm wearing a Wallace and Grommit tie, cufflinks and a tie pin! Can't afford the Armani suit, so M&S will have to do...
Scroggs
Just 'cos I can, I'm wearing a Wallace and Grommit tie, cufflinks and a tie pin! Can't afford the Armani suit, so M&S will have to do...
Scroggs