Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)
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Be careful chaps your contravening the rules of pprune by portraying FR in a good light
Theres good money to be earnt at FR full stop especially with the exchange rate at the mo, i personally refuse to believe stories of FO's sleeping in cars.
Theres good money to be earnt at FR full stop especially with the exchange rate at the mo, i personally refuse to believe stories of FO's sleeping in cars.
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I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I need to work....now. Briefly, I have appx. 4000 hours total time. I am Type Rated in the B744, B747, Learjet 35 and Westwind 1124A. I hold both the JAA and FAA ATPL license(s).
I would like to fly with RyanAir. When I go to the website, I really don't fit into the Command category because I do not have time in the 737. So, I went to the cadet link. I wrote my email and application to Oxford and CAE. I was told I didn't quite fit the role of "cadet." What does that mean? I have too much experience? How is that a negative thing? So, should I reapply and lie concerning my hours and say that I only have 250 hours? I'm really confused.
I really need to work. I have a wife and small child and have been scraping by working at my local supermarket as a cashier.
Can somebody explain how one becomes a pilot with RyanAir? I'm willing to hide my experience if that is what it takes.
I would like to fly with RyanAir. When I go to the website, I really don't fit into the Command category because I do not have time in the 737. So, I went to the cadet link. I wrote my email and application to Oxford and CAE. I was told I didn't quite fit the role of "cadet." What does that mean? I have too much experience? How is that a negative thing? So, should I reapply and lie concerning my hours and say that I only have 250 hours? I'm really confused.
I really need to work. I have a wife and small child and have been scraping by working at my local supermarket as a cashier.
Can somebody explain how one becomes a pilot with RyanAir? I'm willing to hide my experience if that is what it takes.
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Can some of you please state when they applied and when they got the call for an interview? I hear OAA grads get the call fairly quickly but not so if you trained somewhere else? Thanks for help.
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If you're a captain with the relevant experience as per the careers pages on ryanair.com, they'd like to hear from you. If you have no airline experience they'd like to hear from you. If you don't fall in to either of those then the chances are very slim. If your experience is of aircraft of 19,999kg or less then I believe that puts you in the "no experience" bracket. A buddy of mine was a captain on the twotter and came as a cadet. Unfortunately for you, I think the 74 is heavier than that.
It's really clear cut with Ryanair. They know what they want and they know there's plenty of eager applicants who fit the requirements.
Keep your eye out and try when you can. The only way is via the approved links on the website. Don't lie to a carrier. They'll find out. Easy in your case because the types are on your licence.
It's really clear cut with Ryanair. They know what they want and they know there's plenty of eager applicants who fit the requirements.
Keep your eye out and try when you can. The only way is via the approved links on the website. Don't lie to a carrier. They'll find out. Easy in your case because the types are on your licence.
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I mean Simtech, European, etc etc. I don't mean any FTO in particular.
I do mean don't pay 6k plus for an MCC. Not worth it. That's my oppinion.
I do mean don't pay 6k plus for an MCC. Not worth it. That's my oppinion.
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I did my MCC with pathfinders in Dublin on the 732. The best 4.5K I ever spent. The course is well set up and they really focus on hand flying which is what you really need for the Ryanair assessment. Have a look at their website PATHFINDERS - Aviation Services
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I did my MCC at London Met in a Kingair for £1850
save the money and study for the interview, you dont get a leg up because you did a Ryanair Approved MCC for daft money! (my opinion of course)
save the money and study for the interview, you dont get a leg up because you did a Ryanair Approved MCC for daft money! (my opinion of course)
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i also did my mcc in pathfinders in dublin.. update now they have their hands on an 800.. myself and 737-500 would done it on 200.. what a laugh.. and go-around no dont have a job but have an interview coming up..
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Said it before, will say it again.
DON'T REVISE JEPESSEN PROFILES based on previous assessments. They vary widely from Ryanair bases to destinations.
STRONG CRM, Flexibility, Situational Awareness and a good level of handling/IR ability for cadet entry level is what is required. Expect to fly the NG with no auto throttle/auto pilot and classic 6 display. FDs can be off for one exercise and on for another, depending on the exercise and the assessor. Follow the published brief relating to SOPs along with the pitch and power settings supplied by the training department.
Did I mention CRM? CRM, CRM, CRM....That's another 3 times in order for it to sink in!
All the best
DON'T REVISE JEPESSEN PROFILES based on previous assessments. They vary widely from Ryanair bases to destinations.
STRONG CRM, Flexibility, Situational Awareness and a good level of handling/IR ability for cadet entry level is what is required. Expect to fly the NG with no auto throttle/auto pilot and classic 6 display. FDs can be off for one exercise and on for another, depending on the exercise and the assessor. Follow the published brief relating to SOPs along with the pitch and power settings supplied by the training department.
Did I mention CRM? CRM, CRM, CRM....That's another 3 times in order for it to sink in!
All the best
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Yup, gotta agree with Callsign Kilo there. It's much about the CRM.
Did the assessment october at EMA myself and everything you need to know about the sim will be sent to you in advance!
Our assessor did let us choose if we wanted FDs or AP on for certain periods but his general advice was; dont use any equipment for the first time in the assessment. And that is my advice too.
Regarding the pre-studying of jeppesen-plates. I hardly believe that they are interested in your ability to specifically fly the WAL2T departure at liverpool, or any other SID/STAR for that matter.
My point is, if you want to get an advantage, your focus should not be on what specific departures or procedures the previous cadettes did. Just study up on your MCC workbook, callouts and general ATPL knowledge.
And as far as the flying goes, it's all about what you and your sim partner perform as a team.
Technically the flying is just basic instrument flying and scanning. Establish an attitude, if it doesn't result in the desired speed/VS/altitude or whatever, adjust as necessary and make sure to keep your PM in the loop!
Did the assessment october at EMA myself and everything you need to know about the sim will be sent to you in advance!
Our assessor did let us choose if we wanted FDs or AP on for certain periods but his general advice was; dont use any equipment for the first time in the assessment. And that is my advice too.
Regarding the pre-studying of jeppesen-plates. I hardly believe that they are interested in your ability to specifically fly the WAL2T departure at liverpool, or any other SID/STAR for that matter.
My point is, if you want to get an advantage, your focus should not be on what specific departures or procedures the previous cadettes did. Just study up on your MCC workbook, callouts and general ATPL knowledge.
And as far as the flying goes, it's all about what you and your sim partner perform as a team.
Technically the flying is just basic instrument flying and scanning. Establish an attitude, if it doesn't result in the desired speed/VS/altitude or whatever, adjust as necessary and make sure to keep your PM in the loop!
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Assuming you start in Ryanair with Multi-IR, MCC:-
At present the type rating for the 737-800 costs about E30K (assuming no extra training required when in SAS/CAE/etc). You need an additional 6-7000 euro to pay for hotel, food, accommodation for the 2 months duration of the type rating plus your own B&B/hotels & food&taxis&other travel&other expenses throughout line training.
Starting type rating to starting online is approximately 4.5 months given perfect weather, aircraft availablity for basecheck, doing basecheck straight after type rating, that intake of cadets doesnt come to a halt midway thru ur typerating/line training etc etc.
NOTE: You have an income of ZERO euro all this time versus outgoing of E37K.
Over the following 4 years your income (takehome pay) whether employed as a Brookfield First Officer, or, as a full time ryanair First Officer, totals E150,000 (E37.5K/yr).
So think about it....You're already down approx E138,000 for pilot training and type rating and line training costs, and 4 years later youve made 150,000!
In these times of recession and banks not lending, and the "bank-of-mum&dad" non-existant this would be a nonsence move.
On a loan of that magnitude the bank's interest is astronomical!!!! and with only 150K made over 4 years theres a snowball's chance in hell of making any progress with paying it off on that income & having any proper standard of living for you if you're not married or single and/or your family if not single.
Another point, the only other hirer in these times is easyjet which is very difficult to get into and all you need to do is do a quick search for the shocking situation at easyjet and the situation with FOs.
At present the type rating for the 737-800 costs about E30K (assuming no extra training required when in SAS/CAE/etc). You need an additional 6-7000 euro to pay for hotel, food, accommodation for the 2 months duration of the type rating plus your own B&B/hotels & food&taxis&other travel&other expenses throughout line training.
Starting type rating to starting online is approximately 4.5 months given perfect weather, aircraft availablity for basecheck, doing basecheck straight after type rating, that intake of cadets doesnt come to a halt midway thru ur typerating/line training etc etc.
NOTE: You have an income of ZERO euro all this time versus outgoing of E37K.
Over the following 4 years your income (takehome pay) whether employed as a Brookfield First Officer, or, as a full time ryanair First Officer, totals E150,000 (E37.5K/yr).
So think about it....You're already down approx E138,000 for pilot training and type rating and line training costs, and 4 years later youve made 150,000!
In these times of recession and banks not lending, and the "bank-of-mum&dad" non-existant this would be a nonsence move.
On a loan of that magnitude the bank's interest is astronomical!!!! and with only 150K made over 4 years theres a snowball's chance in hell of making any progress with paying it off on that income & having any proper standard of living for you if you're not married or single and/or your family if not single.
Another point, the only other hirer in these times is easyjet which is very difficult to get into and all you need to do is do a quick search for the shocking situation at easyjet and the situation with FOs.
Right lets iron a few things out;
YR1 based on say 750 hours;
35x 150 euros(say line training); 5250 euros
55x 350(remaining hours till 500 hr increase); 19250 euros
75x 250(taking you up to 750 hours for the yr); 18750
YR 1 gross; 43250 euros
YR 2 say 650 hours( as your more expensive remember)
100 x 75(taking you up to 1500 where pay increases again); 7500 euros
550x 80(next increase); 44000
YR 2 gross; 51500 euros
YR 3 say 650 hours again
650X 80= 52800 euros gross
at about 3.5 - 4 yrs you could expect a command upgrade.
133 euros x 650 hours(this is very very conservative, as skippers fly their arses off);
86450 euros
So we come in with a very conservative total gross of 23400 euros after 5 years of service; averaging 46800 euros per year.
my head hurts now
Its not something to be taken lighty, think long and hard as its a very big risk. yet the rewards are certainly there in ryanair, i dont think any of the anti-FR brigade can deny that.
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Maverick, if you spend 7000 Euros on food and accommodation for two months then I'm sure you will be broke for the rest of your career. Seriously, are you budgeting on 5 star hotels and restaurant meals every night!
Pretty much every single one of the figures you gave in your post is junk. I'm not saying that the Ryanair deal isn't a huge financial consideration but your numbers are out for sure.
Pretty much every single one of the figures you gave in your post is junk. I'm not saying that the Ryanair deal isn't a huge financial consideration but your numbers are out for sure.
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3 years ago I spend £92 on 6 nights at EMA travelodge and a further 672euro on 8 weeks accommodation in Haarlem. Just add petrol to EMA and bus tickets/food etc in Holland and you're nowhere near 6-7k additional costs.
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You need an additional 6-7000 euro to pay for hotel, food, accommodation for the 2 months duration of the type rating plus your own B&B/hotels & food&taxis&other travel&other expenses throughout line training.
7000 euro in 2 months!!!! possibly only if your doing your TR in amsterdam and need some entertainment
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Do you guys know if it is possible to even get a loan for the T/R on the brookfield contract if you don't own anything like a house or property to secure the loan? It seems like you will need arround 40-45k to get started....