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Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)

Old 12th Jan 2021, 12:21
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I also did it before lockdown, it was a typical cut-e assessment you can google it and do a few practice goes. ATPL questions straight film the bank, I got slant range calculation, ICAO council members, random met ones etc. Video interview questions were tell us a fun fact about yourself, why do you want to be a pilot, tell ya about a time with conflict. itís not difficult at all.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 11:16
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Question Assessment doubts - newly graduated pilot

Hey guys.

I am a newly graduated pilot, with ATPL(frozen) license, roughly 208h of flight time. Two days ago, I successfully submitted my application for the cadets TR program on the official Ryanair careers page. Should I already have received any e-mail just notifying me that they have received my application and it will be analyzed?

Another doubt that arose while scrolling down this forum it's: If we are selected by them to carry out the assessment, interview, simulator in Dublin etc... and we fortunately succeed, we would be invited to pay upfront 30k to undergo the TR course without any job guarantee?

thanks
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 13:46
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Has anyone actually got any evidence to suggest there’s an actual job contract with Ryanair as an FO at the end of this or is it purely a training agreement between you and AFA for a 737 TR and some possible line training with their partner airline? If there’s nothing in the contract to say categorically that you will be employed by Ryanair on commencing/completion of the TR then you have no leg to stand on when they tell you they’ve got no job for you on completion. “Subject to business demands” as they’ve used previously doesn’t guarantee anything legally. There’s a real risk you end up back at square one 30K down with only an expensive rating to keep current.

Currently they haven’t enough planes flying for their current lot and they aren’t forecasting huge numbers this year.

Proceed with caution!
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 20:51
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You pay 30k do the type rating fail it, no job. 30k out of the window. With all due respect, no one is flying at the moment and they explictinly said its for summer 2022. So you'll be holding there for another year and a half while you took that 30k loan out
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 07:51
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Even if you succeed your TR, there is no job guarantee, it is completely subject to the business needs at the time you finish your line training.
  1. Pre assessment (55 eur)
  2. Assessment (~350 eur)
  3. Type rating (30K paid up front)
  4. Sign a 6 month training contract with RYR for your line training
  5. Sign an employment contrat with RYR according to the business needs at the time
It's a type rating programme, not an employment offer.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 11:06
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Airlines in general and low-cost airlines in particular know that they can offset the entire cost onto newcomers, but what most don't realize is that they now offset the entire risk as well.

One does not have to look far to see examples of this. Easyjet very clearly told the cadets YOU ARE NOT AN EMPLOYEE.

Ryanair is doing the exact same thing with this training organization. If travel demand, company restructuring or God forbid you don't satisfy the standards during the course. They have zero responsibility to take you in afterwards. Because simply put YOU ARE NOT AN EMPLOYEE.

Don't be naive in thinking otherwise. This is a training program contract which puts you in the hole for Ä35k minimum considering all costs involved. After that should things be going well, you'll be offered an employment contract to work in 2022 as printed on their advertisement.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 11:29
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Contact Approach

This is the exact wording of my contract for a Ryanair partner airline which was a bonded contract; In other words very little investment from my part. I'll let you guys guess what it will say when you pay €30k upfront.

While XXX and its approved XXX XXX Agencies currently have positions available at bases throughout Europe, you must clearly understand that the training contract does not constitute an offer of employment nor a guarantee of an offer of employment at any time. Upon successful completion of your training you may be offered an employment contract with XXX or one of our XXX XXXXX Providers subject to your satisfactory performance during the term of this training contract and the requirements of the business at the prevailing time.
I don't have to mention what happened when I finished my training right when covid19 hit.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 16:11
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Hawker400

Considering that it takes 6/8 months for a Cadet to fully finish the type rating and line training, yes, it will probably be 2022 when you'll start employment so nothing weird there. If you start the type rating in March you'll probably be finished some time in December.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 17:22
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Hi,
How long does it take to get the online assessment results ?
Thanks
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 18:26
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BoeingLudo737

The would-be start date isn't the weird part. What's not normal is paying over €30k euros + almost an entire year of living costs (and traveling/hotels) before you get even a wiff of cash, nevermind an actual employment contract in a world and primarily an industry that changes almost daily.. That's the weird part!

The company bears zero risk and dumps it all the cadet. This is absolutely unfair. In normal times you had no assurance of an employment contract but they had a bond over you which meant they invested in you and that was enough for people, myself included to sign on. Not to mention you got paid a training salary day one.

Now, nothing. Gambling that much money is not for the faint of heart.
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 19:20
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Hawker400

Salary from base training now as well so no changes
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 19:40
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Mikith

Is this for cadet of DEFO?
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 07:40
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This is for cadet with AFA / Cut-e tests etc
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 11:14
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Guys, I have the standard mcc course done in the B737/FNPTII SIM, and I was wondering about doing the APS MCC.

Do you think is worth the investment? Is it a major difference in comparison with the standard MCC, regarding the selection process by a airline?

And should I focus on doing a General APS MCC or the Ryanair Mentored APS MCC?

Thanks
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 13:01
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Anyone with a NON EASA licence been contacted to do the Cut-e tests?

I applied on the RYR website and was then sent a form to fill in by [email protected] which I did stating I was a UK CAA Licence holder and Ive still been sent a link to do the tests even though when first advertised the position was open to EASA licence holders only and not to UK CAA Licence holders?
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Old 15th Jan 2021, 23:40
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BoeingLudo737

Salary for what? You’re not an employee...
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 12:05
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hsilva7

No definitely not. The only requirement is an MCC.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 08:10
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keenanj01

Not done Cut-e as I’ve already done Sim/interview etc. I am going through the AFA process currently with a UK license, however it’s being transferred to an EASA state (IAA). If you only have a UK license you won’t be eligible as you will be flying EI registered aircraft


Nathiscocks

What date did you submit your request with the IAA? I got my application in on the 17th of Dec and they requested the docs from the CAA on the 30th Dec, so just in time. You can see the status of your application with the caa, there’s an email address on their website which will give you an automatic reply.

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Old 17th Jan 2021, 13:55
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keenanj01

Yes, I am in the process with the IAA, they haven't replied to my emails since before Christmas. I specifically said to AFA I am still a UK holder and that they (IAA) haven't replied, AFA still said come along for the sim assessment next week. I am unsure as to what happens as I did submit a transfer request pre 31st, however I have a horrible feeling that the IAA didn't ask to release my documents before then, which leaves me in a pickle. I guess we will find out after!
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 17:20
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Thanks Dashcam.

This is why I am confused. I have told AFA I have a UK issued licence not in the process of converting it when they asked me to fill out the form, but I have been sent the Cut-e tests to do still. I am gonna do them because its worth a shot, maybe there is a simplified conversion in the pipeline between NAA's eg CAA to IAA as oppose to the usual EASA to FAA. My understanding is currently RYR pilots with an EASA licence cannot renew their medical in the UK as there isn't a process in place for CAA registered AME's to carry out renewals/reval on EASA medical holders, which is why I think there maybe a simpler conversion between NAA's with the CAA in the future, but what do I know!
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