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My friend has been hired in India to fly the A320 as F/O, he has no Indian passport nor Indian license. He had a FAA type rating with no hours on type. I am also in the process, just waiting for the security clearance. The airline prep. us for oral and written tests with the DGCA, so we get one year license validation to fly Indian registered aircrafts....
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Working in India
Hi, I'm very new here!
I'm a non-experienced pilot (newly graduated) within the JAA.
I hear a lot about Asia and especially about China and India.
These countries are developing so fast, their airlines do the same and they will be in need of lots of pilots I guess.
So may I ask does anyone have some tips about how it is to work there?
Air Deccan, Kingfisher, Jet Airways, SpiceJet...
and is it possible to find a 1st job there?
thanks in advance!
Julien
I'm a non-experienced pilot (newly graduated) within the JAA.
I hear a lot about Asia and especially about China and India.
These countries are developing so fast, their airlines do the same and they will be in need of lots of pilots I guess.
So may I ask does anyone have some tips about how it is to work there?
Air Deccan, Kingfisher, Jet Airways, SpiceJet...
and is it possible to find a 1st job there?
thanks in advance!
Julien
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I suggest you look under "rest of the world" forums and check under "South Asia and the Far East" which covers India.
The not-good news is that they are currently taking experienced expat Captains only.
The not-good news is that they are currently taking experienced expat Captains only.
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The fact that Indian carriers have advertised for expat F/Os does not mean they're legal yet! An expat mate who flies down there checked it out last week with his Indian manager - he was told that they were waiting for approval, expected in "a few weeks". That's an Indian "few weeks" by the way, because they've been waiting for permission a few months so far. The Indian guy said that when it does come in, it will not be for raw F/Os, and they will have to have a type rating as a minimum. And don't forget security clearance will take 6 weeks typically, and possibly a lot longer depending on the airline.
Indian pilots on pprune have pointed out (politely, mainly) for some time now that there are no jobs in India for low hours, non type-rated, non-Indian pilots - you may not like it, but that's the way it is.
Indian pilots on pprune have pointed out (politely, mainly) for some time now that there are no jobs in India for low hours, non type-rated, non-Indian pilots - you may not like it, but that's the way it is.
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I live in Sweden, currently training at Swedish pilot Academy in Gothenburg, my mom is indian and I speak fluent hindi, do the indian carriers require their future first officers to speak the native language?
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Times Are Changing????
Some interesting posts here.
No foriegn pilots, at least no ex-pat FOs. Really? Remember the saying never say never??
Well, in case no one has noticed, Jet Airways is looking for exactly that. OK it does not say locals (or nationals) and the hours are somewhat low. But then why would they advertise openly on flightglobal.com which has international coverage???
All they ask for is min 1000 hours (subject to govt approval) and an appropriate type rating - but does not have to be in an aircraft on their fleet?!
According to their big expansion plans, not only are they in need of all the TRE/TRIs/Line Captains etc but also ex-pat, experienced FOs for THREE-YEAR contracts. Doesn't sound like they are pitching for locals here and if not, there must be a reason.
What do you think that is?
Also, with foreign licences, you don't always need to convert. There is a thing called a validation, usually given for a year or so and sometimes indefinitely. I've twice worked overseas for non-EU airlines and was able to get a validation but then I had the ratings and time on type.
So, what it may boil down to is that the DGCA might be warming to EXPERIENCED ex-pat FOs with several thousand hours, several type ratings and an ability to upgrade quickly. As RMP2 has stated before, there are always exceptions to the rule provided you have something to offer that they clearly need.
Comments, please...................
No foriegn pilots, at least no ex-pat FOs. Really? Remember the saying never say never??
Well, in case no one has noticed, Jet Airways is looking for exactly that. OK it does not say locals (or nationals) and the hours are somewhat low. But then why would they advertise openly on flightglobal.com which has international coverage???
All they ask for is min 1000 hours (subject to govt approval) and an appropriate type rating - but does not have to be in an aircraft on their fleet?!
According to their big expansion plans, not only are they in need of all the TRE/TRIs/Line Captains etc but also ex-pat, experienced FOs for THREE-YEAR contracts. Doesn't sound like they are pitching for locals here and if not, there must be a reason.
What do you think that is?
Also, with foreign licences, you don't always need to convert. There is a thing called a validation, usually given for a year or so and sometimes indefinitely. I've twice worked overseas for non-EU airlines and was able to get a validation but then I had the ratings and time on type.
So, what it may boil down to is that the DGCA might be warming to EXPERIENCED ex-pat FOs with several thousand hours, several type ratings and an ability to upgrade quickly. As RMP2 has stated before, there are always exceptions to the rule provided you have something to offer that they clearly need.
Comments, please...................
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Here You GO!!!
In case anyone doubts it, this is the ad mentioned above and it does not sound like a position for a low-time, non-type rated Indian national, does it?
The aviation business is becoming ever more global so this should not come as any big surprise. After all, what goes around, comes around eg. US/UK/EU outsourcing of jobs to India and other countries. Now it would seem the boot is on the other foot.
First Officers - ATR 72-500, B737 NG, A330 / 340 and B777 Posted9 Aug 06Close date6 Feb 07LocationIndiaApply for this Job
Job DescriptionWelcome to Jet Airways - India’s largest and most preferred airline.
Our fleet consists of 43 classic and next generation Boeing 737-400/700/800/900 aircraft, 3 Airbus A340-300E aircraft, 1 Airbus A330-200 and 8 modern ATR 72-500 turboprop aircraft. With an average age of 5.1 years, we have one of the youngest aircraft fleet in the world. Jet Airways’ operates over 320 daily flights to 48 destinations that span the length and breadth of India and beyond including London, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Colombo, and Kathmandu.
This is just the beginning of our journey as we plan to conquer the global skies with our vast expansion plans resulting in rapid growth of our route network all over the world and doubling of our fleet size by the end of 2010. Commencing October 01, 2006, we will be setting a European base for A330/340 and beginning of March 2007 for B777.
To spearhead the airline’s expansion plan, we are looking for dynamic and ambitious Pilots to fly the world’s most modern and advanced fleet of ATR 72-500, B737 NG, A330 / 340 and B777. We have career opportunities for TREs, TRIs, Line Captains and First Officers for all the fleet types. So if you are ready for an exciting and challenging career - Come and be a part of the winning team!!!
Minimum Qualification:
First Officers - * 1000 hrs Total Flying Hours plus a current type rating.
Note : (* ) Subject to Government Regulations
We are also looking for pilots above the age of 60.
Terms of Employment:
• Three year renewable contract for all positions / categories of employment
• Besides a high flying career, we offer competitive remuneration package which commensurates with international standards.
• Pick up and drop facility for all flights.
• Schedule –
India Based :
B737/ATR : Scheduled on 8 weeks ON 2 weeks OFF basis
Wide body : Scheduled on 6 weeks ON 2 weeks OFF basis
Europe Based (only wide body):
28 days paid leave in 12 months (Pro – rated for any part of year)
• In India, we provide a fully furnished 2 bedroom apartment or $1800 as accommodation allowance.
• For European base, pilots will remain on their home of records and Jet Airways will provide them with low cost ticket to reach the departure airport one day prior to the assigned flight duty. In addition, they will be provided with one over night stay in the respective crew hotel. At the end of the flight duty the pilot with return to their home of records.
For any additional information about Jet Airways please visit our website i.e. www.jetairways.com
The aviation business is becoming ever more global so this should not come as any big surprise. After all, what goes around, comes around eg. US/UK/EU outsourcing of jobs to India and other countries. Now it would seem the boot is on the other foot.
First Officers - ATR 72-500, B737 NG, A330 / 340 and B777 Posted9 Aug 06Close date6 Feb 07LocationIndiaApply for this Job
Job DescriptionWelcome to Jet Airways - India’s largest and most preferred airline.
Our fleet consists of 43 classic and next generation Boeing 737-400/700/800/900 aircraft, 3 Airbus A340-300E aircraft, 1 Airbus A330-200 and 8 modern ATR 72-500 turboprop aircraft. With an average age of 5.1 years, we have one of the youngest aircraft fleet in the world. Jet Airways’ operates over 320 daily flights to 48 destinations that span the length and breadth of India and beyond including London, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Colombo, and Kathmandu.
This is just the beginning of our journey as we plan to conquer the global skies with our vast expansion plans resulting in rapid growth of our route network all over the world and doubling of our fleet size by the end of 2010. Commencing October 01, 2006, we will be setting a European base for A330/340 and beginning of March 2007 for B777.
To spearhead the airline’s expansion plan, we are looking for dynamic and ambitious Pilots to fly the world’s most modern and advanced fleet of ATR 72-500, B737 NG, A330 / 340 and B777. We have career opportunities for TREs, TRIs, Line Captains and First Officers for all the fleet types. So if you are ready for an exciting and challenging career - Come and be a part of the winning team!!!
Minimum Qualification:
First Officers - * 1000 hrs Total Flying Hours plus a current type rating.
Note : (* ) Subject to Government Regulations
We are also looking for pilots above the age of 60.
Terms of Employment:
• Three year renewable contract for all positions / categories of employment
• Besides a high flying career, we offer competitive remuneration package which commensurates with international standards.
• Pick up and drop facility for all flights.
• Schedule –
India Based :
B737/ATR : Scheduled on 8 weeks ON 2 weeks OFF basis
Wide body : Scheduled on 6 weeks ON 2 weeks OFF basis
Europe Based (only wide body):
28 days paid leave in 12 months (Pro – rated for any part of year)
• In India, we provide a fully furnished 2 bedroom apartment or $1800 as accommodation allowance.
• For European base, pilots will remain on their home of records and Jet Airways will provide them with low cost ticket to reach the departure airport one day prior to the assigned flight duty. In addition, they will be provided with one over night stay in the respective crew hotel. At the end of the flight duty the pilot with return to their home of records.
For any additional information about Jet Airways please visit our website i.e. www.jetairways.com
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EXPAT FOs new rule
Times of India
[ 22 Sep, 2006 0005hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
NEW DELHI: In a bid to tide over the pilot shortage issue in the market, India has decided to scrap the norm that mandated domestic airlines to have at least one Indian pilot inside an aircraft cockpit.
Effectively, domestic airlines can now have only expat pilots steering an aircraft in the domestic skies.
However, airlines have been permitted to avail of this facility only as a stop-gap arrangement till such time as their trainee Indian pilots are awaiting certification and authorisation from the DGCA, sources said.
"In all such cases where both captain and co-pilot are expats, airlines must have an Indian trainee pilot in cockpit for supernumary training. As and when this Indian trainee pilot completes his training, the expats can be phased out," a government source said.
This, sources said, will help the airlines meet their immediate need for trained manpower. "While helping the airlines move ahead with their expansion plans, this new norm is also aimed at protecting the interests of Indian pilots," a source said.
With the boom in air travel, over a dozen start-up carriers are mushrooming across the country, leading to a shortage of trained pilots in the country. India's two state-owned carriers — Air-India and Indian Airlines — alone are facing a shortage of around 150 pilots. In order to fill the gap, airlines are now hiring expatriate pilots for operating planes.
According to industry estimates, at least 4,000 additional pilots would be required in the Indian skies over the next five years. The shortage of trained pilots has led to a massive poaching exercise with airlines offering huge salaries to woo pilots from rivals.
This had earlier forced the government to hike the retirement age for pilots from 60 to 65 years, and even knock on the doors of Indian Air Force for help.
[ 22 Sep, 2006 0005hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
NEW DELHI: In a bid to tide over the pilot shortage issue in the market, India has decided to scrap the norm that mandated domestic airlines to have at least one Indian pilot inside an aircraft cockpit.
Effectively, domestic airlines can now have only expat pilots steering an aircraft in the domestic skies.
However, airlines have been permitted to avail of this facility only as a stop-gap arrangement till such time as their trainee Indian pilots are awaiting certification and authorisation from the DGCA, sources said.
"In all such cases where both captain and co-pilot are expats, airlines must have an Indian trainee pilot in cockpit for supernumary training. As and when this Indian trainee pilot completes his training, the expats can be phased out," a government source said.
This, sources said, will help the airlines meet their immediate need for trained manpower. "While helping the airlines move ahead with their expansion plans, this new norm is also aimed at protecting the interests of Indian pilots," a source said.
With the boom in air travel, over a dozen start-up carriers are mushrooming across the country, leading to a shortage of trained pilots in the country. India's two state-owned carriers — Air-India and Indian Airlines — alone are facing a shortage of around 150 pilots. In order to fill the gap, airlines are now hiring expatriate pilots for operating planes.
According to industry estimates, at least 4,000 additional pilots would be required in the Indian skies over the next five years. The shortage of trained pilots has led to a massive poaching exercise with airlines offering huge salaries to woo pilots from rivals.
This had earlier forced the government to hike the retirement age for pilots from 60 to 65 years, and even knock on the doors of Indian Air Force for help.
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Can we keep the discussion relevent only to low-houred wannabes seeking their first employment, please - none of which Jet seem to want. Terms and Endearments is the forum for the discussion of jobs for experienced pilots.
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Jet Airways India
Hi guys.
I have a test/interveiw next mounth.
So what to expect, is it only a sim test or a lot of other kinds of tests, I have not got all the details about the test yet.
Anyone been through it.
How to prepare.
Hope somebody can give info about it
I am lowtimer with a type rating on B737 and no hours on type.
Regards
Johnson-Sweden
I have a test/interveiw next mounth.
So what to expect, is it only a sim test or a lot of other kinds of tests, I have not got all the details about the test yet.
Anyone been through it.
How to prepare.
Hope somebody can give info about it
I am lowtimer with a type rating on B737 and no hours on type.
Regards
Johnson-Sweden
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Hi Midden,
Where is your interview to take place, I have applied to Jet many times with no response whatsoever.
I am also type-rated but on the ATR42 with 1 hour on type.
cheers
MJR
Where is your interview to take place, I have applied to Jet many times with no response whatsoever.
I am also type-rated but on the ATR42 with 1 hour on type.
cheers
MJR
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Etihad - Jet Airways Management
Hi!
I have read about the two german guys who used to work for Etihad and then moved on to the indian carrier Jet Airways.
I'm not really sure about their position but I remember it being in the flight operations department.
Now to the question, a lot of people on this forum dislikes these two germans, why? what have they done? just curious.
And please don't tell me to search for the topics, couldn't find any relevant.
Best regards
Joseph
I have read about the two german guys who used to work for Etihad and then moved on to the indian carrier Jet Airways.
I'm not really sure about their position but I remember it being in the flight operations department.
Now to the question, a lot of people on this forum dislikes these two germans, why? what have they done? just curious.
And please don't tell me to search for the topics, couldn't find any relevant.
Best regards
Joseph
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Anyone got/had any dealings with what i've been told, one of the fastest growing airlines in India..
I understand they'll pay
for travel,TR and accommodation.. But not the best money and a 3 year contract
!
Cheers
NDB
I understand they'll pay
for travel,TR and accommodation.. But not the best money and a 3 year contract !Cheers
NDB