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sorry man, but hours don't give you more chance than a guy with 200h.Some companies may have turned down your applications because you have 1000h and lot of "bad habits" , and you don't know it!it is why you fly not for a "real" airline but for a charter operator.
many companies want train "novices"(200hours, 23 years old maximum), because they will stay longer in the company.So if you are a low hours pilots, do not rush to log time and do not open your wallet.Only if you have a real promess for a real job.
but if you want have a little chance to be hired, log time and join eaglejet...and be on a waiting list for years!
many companies want train "novices"(200hours, 23 years old maximum), because they will stay longer in the company.So if you are a low hours pilots, do not rush to log time and do not open your wallet.Only if you have a real promess for a real job.
but if you want have a little chance to be hired, log time and join eaglejet...and be on a waiting list for years!
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get a grip A320.
What is your problem with flying anything else but a jet for an airline.
It maybe the higher pay result but it is no way the ultimate job for a pilot.
Who cares if you are charter, airline, freight, police, ambulance, corporate be it in islander, saab, dash, ATR, airbus or boeing.
You have a job which you love you get payed for flying.
Its quite insulting that you think that flying anything else but a jet is not real flying. Some of use don't actually want a jet job, we still get a kick out of flying the machine. The fun bit is the departure and the approach, the cruise for me is the crap but important bit in the middle. The only difference between the different jobs and machines is the length of time you have in the middle and the distance travelled and your T & C's.
Your biggest problem is not your hours, your qualifications, the way you trained. It's YOU, your personality, the way you come across in your CV's your inter personal skills and your attitude. Until you get that sorted you will always struggle getting what you think is a proper "flying job"
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What is your problem with flying anything else but a jet for an airline.
It maybe the higher pay result but it is no way the ultimate job for a pilot.
Who cares if you are charter, airline, freight, police, ambulance, corporate be it in islander, saab, dash, ATR, airbus or boeing.
You have a job which you love you get payed for flying.
Its quite insulting that you think that flying anything else but a jet is not real flying. Some of use don't actually want a jet job, we still get a kick out of flying the machine. The fun bit is the departure and the approach, the cruise for me is the crap but important bit in the middle. The only difference between the different jobs and machines is the length of time you have in the middle and the distance travelled and your T & C's.
Your biggest problem is not your hours, your qualifications, the way you trained. It's YOU, your personality, the way you come across in your CV's your inter personal skills and your attitude. Until you get that sorted you will always struggle getting what you think is a proper "flying job"
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Is there any hope???
I have been flying for a number of years now, building up my experience for that stable dreamed of airline job. I have worked very hard is some far countries to get my time
I have over 2500Hrs TT, over 1300Hrs Multi Engine, but do not have turbo prop time. Now am ready to return to Uk and get that dreamed of job, nobody wants to look at me because i do not have time in turbin aircraft.
The airlines are being unfiar to us all. There are people out there with experience, who have worked hard to get where they are.
I hate to say this, because i do not believe in it, but if a company guaranteed me job, i would pay for my type rating, but they are not even guaranteeing jobs. Just telling us to get our ratings.
But there are people out there getting these jobs, so maybe somebody can tell me if there is any hope?????
I have over 2500Hrs TT, over 1300Hrs Multi Engine, but do not have turbo prop time. Now am ready to return to Uk and get that dreamed of job, nobody wants to look at me because i do not have time in turbin aircraft.
The airlines are being unfiar to us all. There are people out there with experience, who have worked hard to get where they are.
I hate to say this, because i do not believe in it, but if a company guaranteed me job, i would pay for my type rating, but they are not even guaranteeing jobs. Just telling us to get our ratings.
But there are people out there getting these jobs, so maybe somebody can tell me if there is any hope?????
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David the UK turboprop market is red hot at the moment, if someone with your kind of hours doesn't have several interviews within a few weeks of applying to all the UK turboprop operators, then something else is wrong.
I'm not sure from your post whether English is your first language (I'm not one of the spelling nazis here on pprune but your post has some pretty obvious grammatical errors in it). If you are posting CVs from a foreign country and your English in your covering letter is not 100% then it can be very difficult to get a response.
Apart from that, if you have no other disqualifying factors - i.e. you have a current JAA IR, no accident or bad-employer-reference history, and obviously you have the right to live and work in the UK, then get your ass back to Britain and start applying my friend, because the job market hasn't been this good for a number of years.
I'm not sure from your post whether English is your first language (I'm not one of the spelling nazis here on pprune but your post has some pretty obvious grammatical errors in it). If you are posting CVs from a foreign country and your English in your covering letter is not 100% then it can be very difficult to get a response.
Apart from that, if you have no other disqualifying factors - i.e. you have a current JAA IR, no accident or bad-employer-reference history, and obviously you have the right to live and work in the UK, then get your ass back to Britain and start applying my friend, because the job market hasn't been this good for a number of years.
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Originally Posted by mad_jock
It maybe the higher pay result but it is no way the ultimate job for a pilot.
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You are going now from posting what you know nothing about to straight lying!
No company I have ever heard of has a 23-year-old maximum - even the old BA sponsorship went to 27 for applying before training. You have whinged for months that airlines won't take people inexperienced pilots, now you seem to claim that they will only take inexperienced pilots. Make your mind up. I could name companies that go for either recruitment strategy, but more that like hours than prefer inexperience meaning you are wrong saying hours are not a benefit. How about the many jobs where the AOC requires 400, 700 or 1000 hours? Do they only take low-hour pilots illegally, or are you not bothering with those companies? Are they beneath you?
You fail to address the points I made in my last post. Is that because I am right, that you are too much of a snob to take a proper flying job, and only want to get in a mid-size jet? If that is the case you are in the wrong business and have just wasted thousands. All the decent pilots I know will fly anything for money. You seem to wish for someone to beg you to accept vast sums for flying their 737.
No-one I know was hired having been on a waiting list for years. You wait for years and you are definitely not the sort of person who should be flying. I know 1 person who paid for hours over and above a type rating before his job. I know so many who have jobs, from all sorts of backgrounds. None of them just looked for jet work. Most of them worked hard to get the jobs, all were willing to, unlike you seem to be.
It is incredible that someone as dishonest and miserable as you seem to be expects to get a job. Your licence doesn't entitle you to an automatic job, you have to have personality to make someone want to pay you to fly. We can only assume that you are unemployed because you are the sort of person that no-one wants to fly with or to employ.
You are going now from posting what you know nothing about to straight lying!
No company I have ever heard of has a 23-year-old maximum - even the old BA sponsorship went to 27 for applying before training. You have whinged for months that airlines won't take people inexperienced pilots, now you seem to claim that they will only take inexperienced pilots. Make your mind up. I could name companies that go for either recruitment strategy, but more that like hours than prefer inexperience meaning you are wrong saying hours are not a benefit. How about the many jobs where the AOC requires 400, 700 or 1000 hours? Do they only take low-hour pilots illegally, or are you not bothering with those companies? Are they beneath you?
You fail to address the points I made in my last post. Is that because I am right, that you are too much of a snob to take a proper flying job, and only want to get in a mid-size jet? If that is the case you are in the wrong business and have just wasted thousands. All the decent pilots I know will fly anything for money. You seem to wish for someone to beg you to accept vast sums for flying their 737.
No-one I know was hired having been on a waiting list for years. You wait for years and you are definitely not the sort of person who should be flying. I know 1 person who paid for hours over and above a type rating before his job. I know so many who have jobs, from all sorts of backgrounds. None of them just looked for jet work. Most of them worked hard to get the jobs, all were willing to, unlike you seem to be.
It is incredible that someone as dishonest and miserable as you seem to be expects to get a job. Your licence doesn't entitle you to an automatic job, you have to have personality to make someone want to pay you to fly. We can only assume that you are unemployed because you are the sort of person that no-one wants to fly with or to employ.
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like you, not jet experience....not enough turboprop experience, not enough hours multi crew, not enough,....
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uhuhuhuhuh, 27 years old....wonderfull, so if you are 27 and 1 day, it is bye bye for you!!!
I am so sorry , I told you 23, but now you can join BA ....
send clows, please dont give them fake hope. you know this market sucks and has nothing to do with a snob attitude.what do you try to prove, that is easy??? do you work for a school or are you a manager ? do you want more $ of these wanabee pilots???
you know some pilots who have landed jobs(probably pre 9/11/01), but I know many pilots who have no job at all and are still struggling with debts...
and what about you???
when I say job, I say a job on a 2 pilots aircrafts .I do not consider flight instructor to be a job, I have seen to many FI quitting for a better pay in IT. I still receive many emails of friends who told me they have changed jobs and have quit aviation.they are happy to have paid back their loan.
it is not a question to be right or not right, it is a question that to many students think you just have to pay and have a positive attitude to get a job.(some of them have finished at eaglejet )
if some guys really believe they can land a well paid job after a commercial license and a MCC, let me know how you are going to do that...I love to read pink stories!!!
I am so sorry , I told you 23, but now you can join BA ....
send clows, please dont give them fake hope. you know this market sucks and has nothing to do with a snob attitude.what do you try to prove, that is easy??? do you work for a school or are you a manager ? do you want more $ of these wanabee pilots???
you know some pilots who have landed jobs(probably pre 9/11/01), but I know many pilots who have no job at all and are still struggling with debts...
and what about you???
when I say job, I say a job on a 2 pilots aircrafts .I do not consider flight instructor to be a job, I have seen to many FI quitting for a better pay in IT. I still receive many emails of friends who told me they have changed jobs and have quit aviation.they are happy to have paid back their loan.
it is not a question to be right or not right, it is a question that to many students think you just have to pay and have a positive attitude to get a job.(some of them have finished at eaglejet )
if some guys really believe they can land a well paid job after a commercial license and a MCC, let me know how you are going to do that...I love to read pink stories!!!
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A320
You are going now from posting what you know nothing about to straight lying!
No company I have ever heard of has a 23-year-old maximum - even the old BA sponsorship went to 27 for applying before training. You have whinged for months that airlines won't take people inexperienced pilots, now you seem to claim that they will only take inexperienced pilots. Make your mind up. I could name companies that go for either recruitment strategy, but more that like hours than prefer inexperience meaning you are wrong saying hours are not a benefit. How about the many jobs where the AOC requires 400, 700 or 1000 hours? Do they only take low-hour pilots illegally, or are you not bothering with those companies? Are they beneath you?
You fail to address the points I made in my last post. Is that because I am right, that you are too much of a snob to take a proper flying job, and only want to get in a mid-size jet? If that is the case you are in the wrong business and have just wasted thousands. All the decent pilots I know will fly anything for money. You seem to wish for someone to beg you to accept vast sums for flying their 737.
No-one I know was hired having been on a waiting list for years. You wait for years and you are definitely not the sort of person who should be flying. I know 1 person who paid for hours over and above a type rating before his job. I know so many who have jobs, from all sorts of backgrounds. None of them just looked for jet work. Most of them worked hard to get the jobs, all were willing to, unlike you seem to be.
It is incredible that someone as dishonest and miserable as you seem to be expects to get a job. Your licence doesn't entitle you to an automatic job, you have to have personality to make someone want to pay you to fly. We can only assume that you are unemployed because you are the sort of person that no-one wants to fly with or to employ.
You are going now from posting what you know nothing about to straight lying!
No company I have ever heard of has a 23-year-old maximum - even the old BA sponsorship went to 27 for applying before training. You have whinged for months that airlines won't take people inexperienced pilots, now you seem to claim that they will only take inexperienced pilots. Make your mind up. I could name companies that go for either recruitment strategy, but more that like hours than prefer inexperience meaning you are wrong saying hours are not a benefit. How about the many jobs where the AOC requires 400, 700 or 1000 hours? Do they only take low-hour pilots illegally, or are you not bothering with those companies? Are they beneath you?
You fail to address the points I made in my last post. Is that because I am right, that you are too much of a snob to take a proper flying job, and only want to get in a mid-size jet? If that is the case you are in the wrong business and have just wasted thousands. All the decent pilots I know will fly anything for money. You seem to wish for someone to beg you to accept vast sums for flying their 737.
No-one I know was hired having been on a waiting list for years. You wait for years and you are definitely not the sort of person who should be flying. I know 1 person who paid for hours over and above a type rating before his job. I know so many who have jobs, from all sorts of backgrounds. None of them just looked for jet work. Most of them worked hard to get the jobs, all were willing to, unlike you seem to be.
It is incredible that someone as dishonest and miserable as you seem to be expects to get a job. Your licence doesn't entitle you to an automatic job, you have to have personality to make someone want to pay you to fly. We can only assume that you are unemployed because you are the sort of person that no-one wants to fly with or to employ.
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A320 you still haven't got it have you.
There are lots of us who have got jobs post 9/11. And are now quite happy driving multi crew aircraft. In fact I now have ex PPL students who are starting there first commercial jobs with out paying for thier type rating.
You can rant and moan that there isn't any jobs, but in truth there is. There just isn't one for you using your current methods and/or attitude.
There are lots of us who have got jobs post 9/11. And are now quite happy driving multi crew aircraft. In fact I now have ex PPL students who are starting there first commercial jobs with out paying for thier type rating.
You can rant and moan that there isn't any jobs, but in truth there is. There just isn't one for you using your current methods and/or attitude.
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A320, you really do talk a load of bollox! Before I started flying, I used to read PPrune and threads like this and I used to think "how will I ever get a job?" Then somebody said to me, "If you listen to some of those pathetic wan**** who post on PPrune you will never do it and pshyc yourself out of a potentially great career for yourself!"
So I ignored PPrune from then on and went away and did MY thing. And do you know something? Thank god I followed my own advice because I now fly an A320 for major UK airline! And do you know what I did before flying the A320? I flew the B737 for another major airline! (Sorry to those people that may find this arrogant, I don't mean it to be, just proving a point!) As for all this no jobs blah blah bull ****, you are unlucky my friend. You are unlucky because of the type of person you come across as on this website. You make your own luck in this world and nobody will hand you the luxury jet job on a plate!
I scraped ****e off the bottoms of light aircraft, washed them in the freezing cold, worked a 14 hour day at my local flying school which was non-stop and then walked two miles to the train station for an hours train journey home. And what was I paid? Nothing except free flying hours which at the time were priceless to me! All my mates had monetary paid jobs and had a great life compared to me. However, I am now having the last laugh!
A few facts: My dad is not a millionnaire (nor am I), and is not the chief pilot of x airline. I got a job with 250hrs on the B737. Why? Because I was lucky and was in the right place at the right time. I did this off my own back with lots of hard work and effort and committment. I did not spend my days moaning and crying about why BA had not called to offer me a 777 job.
If I walk down to my local pub now, I can guarantee the bar will be full of Pilots. Go and ask one of them if they regret their career choice? Or if they had an easy ride in getting a job flying a jet or any type of aircraft for that matter? I can be sure what they would all say.
You should listen to what send clowns has to say! I know him well as he trained me at flight school. A wise guy with some very valid points. He does not fly jets for an airline, but is he happy with his flying job? You bet he is!
I can only wish you the best of luck
So I ignored PPrune from then on and went away and did MY thing. And do you know something? Thank god I followed my own advice because I now fly an A320 for major UK airline! And do you know what I did before flying the A320? I flew the B737 for another major airline! (Sorry to those people that may find this arrogant, I don't mean it to be, just proving a point!) As for all this no jobs blah blah bull ****, you are unlucky my friend. You are unlucky because of the type of person you come across as on this website. You make your own luck in this world and nobody will hand you the luxury jet job on a plate!
I scraped ****e off the bottoms of light aircraft, washed them in the freezing cold, worked a 14 hour day at my local flying school which was non-stop and then walked two miles to the train station for an hours train journey home. And what was I paid? Nothing except free flying hours which at the time were priceless to me! All my mates had monetary paid jobs and had a great life compared to me. However, I am now having the last laugh!
A few facts: My dad is not a millionnaire (nor am I), and is not the chief pilot of x airline. I got a job with 250hrs on the B737. Why? Because I was lucky and was in the right place at the right time. I did this off my own back with lots of hard work and effort and committment. I did not spend my days moaning and crying about why BA had not called to offer me a 777 job.
If I walk down to my local pub now, I can guarantee the bar will be full of Pilots. Go and ask one of them if they regret their career choice? Or if they had an easy ride in getting a job flying a jet or any type of aircraft for that matter? I can be sure what they would all say.
You should listen to what send clowns has to say! I know him well as he trained me at flight school. A wise guy with some very valid points. He does not fly jets for an airline, but is he happy with his flying job? You bet he is!
I can only wish you the best of luck
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A320 I love reading your posts.
You are right though. There are no jobs for pilots without paying huge sums of money to corrupt flight schools. People are discriminated against and flying is for rich kids. Well said, bravo and we need more people like you to stand up for the persecuted few.
Whoops, I meant to say stop spouting bollox and get a life away from this thread. You are unemployed because you are a kn0b and no other reason.
In the time this thread has been subjected to your crap, a mate of mine (low hours) got a job with Easyjet.
You are right though. There are no jobs for pilots without paying huge sums of money to corrupt flight schools. People are discriminated against and flying is for rich kids. Well said, bravo and we need more people like you to stand up for the persecuted few.
Whoops, I meant to say stop spouting bollox and get a life away from this thread. You are unemployed because you are a kn0b and no other reason.
In the time this thread has been subjected to your crap, a mate of mine (low hours) got a job with Easyjet.
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I don't work for a school. I did, but extra students never got me more money.That is how I came to know what I was talking about, unlike you, because I saw dozens of students through their groundschool courses and got to know many others. I now know the multitude of jobs they have managed to find, some of them by hard work, some just by patience still others by luck and good contacts. Sir Norman sounds remarkably like one of mine, who is not arrogant just a damned good pilot and of whom I am immensely proud as I helped him and he is now doing what he wants to do after working hard for it.
I am not giving fake hope, but trying to tell the truth, unlike you.
This just shows your ignorance and snobbery that is obvious however much you deny it. It also shows you haven't read my profile before attacking me - as I fly single-crew. In my first month I have been paid more than most starting turbo-prop FOs, and I have had a much more varied schedule. It is an incredibly rewarding job, which I absolutely love, and challenging flying; I laughed today coming out of Liverpool when some twin-crew driver asked for vectors to his waypoint when his FMS failed, having neither FMS nor PNF to assist me.
If you dismiss single-crew flying then it is quite obvious both why you are not getting a job and why you feel cheated in this. You are not really a pilot, just someone who has been trained to drive aircraft for a living. Sir Norman expressed so well what he did to get a job, and it is clear someone of your attitude would not do so. You can't find work and feel cheated precisely because you seem to have done this for the money and prestige of a jet job, not for the love of flying like Sir Norman did. It has always been easier for those that really love flying to get a job.
I know many who have done so. Have you the statistics to back what you assert?
Show some consideration and don't randomly quote an entire post that appears just above yours!
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I don't work for a school. I did, but extra students never got me more money.That is how I came to know what I was talking about, unlike you, because I saw dozens of students through their groundschool courses and got to know many others. I now know the multitude of jobs they have managed to find, some of them by hard work, some just by patience still others by luck and good contacts. Sir Norman sounds remarkably like one of mine, who is not arrogant just a damned good pilot and of whom I am immensely proud as I helped him and he is now doing what he wants to do after working hard for it.
I am not giving fake hope, but trying to tell the truth, unlike you.
when I say job, I say a job on a 2 pilots aircrafts
If you dismiss single-crew flying then it is quite obvious both why you are not getting a job and why you feel cheated in this. You are not really a pilot, just someone who has been trained to drive aircraft for a living. Sir Norman expressed so well what he did to get a job, and it is clear someone of your attitude would not do so. You can't find work and feel cheated precisely because you seem to have done this for the money and prestige of a jet job, not for the love of flying like Sir Norman did. It has always been easier for those that really love flying to get a job.
if some guys really believe they can land a well paid job after a commercial license and a MCC, let me know how you are going to do that...I love to read pink stories!!!
Show some consideration and don't randomly quote an entire post that appears just above yours!
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Well there seems to be mixed feelings with this issue. At least there are those you are shining a little light on our grey cloud.
In response, I am English, just sometimes not very careful about how I present my self when I am a little upset. Believe me; all letters that are sent out are to a 100% standard.
In all honesty, I have only started applying in The UK as my current commitment in the Caribbean is until June. It was in my search of job listings that I noted that without type rating and time on time, or time in a wide bodied aircraft, the search will be a tedious one.
I will keep you guys informed as to the reaction I receive from our potential employers out there, and like the rest of us, will help any way I can
Good luck to you all
In response, I am English, just sometimes not very careful about how I present my self when I am a little upset. Believe me; all letters that are sent out are to a 100% standard.
In all honesty, I have only started applying in The UK as my current commitment in the Caribbean is until June. It was in my search of job listings that I noted that without type rating and time on time, or time in a wide bodied aircraft, the search will be a tedious one.
I will keep you guys informed as to the reaction I receive from our potential employers out there, and like the rest of us, will help any way I can
Good luck to you all
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A320 show your willingness to get a job. Take a cheap flight to Murcia and as you go into the Arrivals Hall there is a poster appealing for any pilots to operate light aircraft for tourist trips. That would be the start you are after, it may not pay a FO's wage but it would be fun, it would get you out of the misery trap you are caught in - and remember "from acorns mighty oaks grow".
Prove you are a real pilot rather than someone who just wants to fly a big shiny jet for the status and supposed glamour.
No I can't apply for the above cos I am still ploughing through the ATPL theory, but I am damn sure I would if I could
Prove you are a real pilot rather than someone who just wants to fly a big shiny jet for the status and supposed glamour.
No I can't apply for the above cos I am still ploughing through the ATPL theory, but I am damn sure I would if I could