I Go For A Type
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Yes I have changed my mind, when you do not fly and do not find any flying jobs for months, what are your chance: nil !
Any airline will charge you for the training, or take some money from your paycheck for a full refund .So people who say they did not pay for their training, are in fact paying during the next 5 years.
As I am too old to compete with a 23 years old boy, I have been "forced" to finance myself for a type rating.
Sorry, I can not mention on this forum the name of the TRTO.
Any airline will charge you for the training, or take some money from your paycheck for a full refund .So people who say they did not pay for their training, are in fact paying during the next 5 years.
As I am too old to compete with a 23 years old boy, I have been "forced" to finance myself for a type rating.
Sorry, I can not mention on this forum the name of the TRTO.
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Sorry, I can not mention on this forum the name of the TRTO.
Or is it so you don't get identified spaceman and then when your potential employer finds out what your really like on PPrune?
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I posted my reply hoping that some guys and girls, like myself, would see my post and hopefully realise that you you don't need to be perfect to get the job you always wanted.
Spaceman. You're enough to put anyone off wanting to get in this industry.
Any new starter who reads this, there is no perfect pilot that companys look for. You'll read threads about what to wear in interview. Just use your common sense.
I've said before that i've only just got my first job. I 've recently done some jump seat rides and there are a number of guys who are off to mainline BA. Not because the company is bad, but it is a natural progression.
I never wrote on this website until now. I started to feel strongly about people who have posted on this site and give it all the doom and gloom.
To all those who are willing to listen. Good things come to those who wait.
Spaceman. You're enough to put anyone off wanting to get in this industry.
Any new starter who reads this, there is no perfect pilot that companys look for. You'll read threads about what to wear in interview. Just use your common sense.
I've said before that i've only just got my first job. I 've recently done some jump seat rides and there are a number of guys who are off to mainline BA. Not because the company is bad, but it is a natural progression.
I never wrote on this website until now. I started to feel strongly about people who have posted on this site and give it all the doom and gloom.
To all those who are willing to listen. Good things come to those who wait.
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Or is it so you don't get identified spaceman and then when your potential employer finds out what your really like on PPrune?
Bingo! right in the nose
Why should I make free advertising for an TRTO?
Bingo! right in the nose
Why should I make free advertising for an TRTO?
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Congratulations on your first job! Its good to know that you don't have to be perfect (first time passes in everything) to get that perfect job. Just to clarify: did you do an integrated or modular course?
As your located in bucks: did you do the tugging at Booker? PM me if you can answer some of my "tugging" questions.
Cheers!
As your located in bucks: did you do the tugging at Booker? PM me if you can answer some of my "tugging" questions.
Cheers!
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Gentlemen (and Ladies)
I am actually approaching the other end of a flying career, but let me say this;
having been in the position of selecting and hiring Pilots from a mountain of resume's there emerges one constant practice and that is the comparing of applicants on what is essentially a point system.
Every employer will look for the Pilot that will give him the best service for the least amount of money and heartache. Most of the chief pilots and training managers will look for people with the right attitude, then comes general intelligence, relevant experience, health and on and on.
There is no one magic formula!
I've hired Pilots that were super sharp and some that needed to go to evening school during probation to catch up. I've hired some that were extremely opinionated and some that wanted to agree with everything that came out of my mouth.
The overriding requirement was that an individual would be able to convince me that s/he would give it his best to be successful, so that I did not waste my precious training resources on someone that was not willing to meet me halfway.
When I landed my first airline job (right seat on a BAC1-11 back in 79), I had been trying for 4 years, so you know I have experienced that side of the game as well.
Don't drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what "they" want from you, you know the basic requirements, most employers will publish them, but look beyond the hours and look at yourself as a person standing in front of the guy you hope will hire you and hope that you are in the right place at the right time!
Good luck to all of you!
I am actually approaching the other end of a flying career, but let me say this;
having been in the position of selecting and hiring Pilots from a mountain of resume's there emerges one constant practice and that is the comparing of applicants on what is essentially a point system.
Every employer will look for the Pilot that will give him the best service for the least amount of money and heartache. Most of the chief pilots and training managers will look for people with the right attitude, then comes general intelligence, relevant experience, health and on and on.
There is no one magic formula!
I've hired Pilots that were super sharp and some that needed to go to evening school during probation to catch up. I've hired some that were extremely opinionated and some that wanted to agree with everything that came out of my mouth.
The overriding requirement was that an individual would be able to convince me that s/he would give it his best to be successful, so that I did not waste my precious training resources on someone that was not willing to meet me halfway.
When I landed my first airline job (right seat on a BAC1-11 back in 79), I had been trying for 4 years, so you know I have experienced that side of the game as well.
Don't drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what "they" want from you, you know the basic requirements, most employers will publish them, but look beyond the hours and look at yourself as a person standing in front of the guy you hope will hire you and hope that you are in the right place at the right time!
Good luck to all of you!
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Gentleman,
Just starting my first flying job (completed integrated ab-initio fATPL in 2003, 184 hours today with 15 ME) but having spent almost 10 years in the industry, let me explain you my point of few:
It might be your dream to fly an A320 which you can fulfil by paying. The day will come, when you have to stop paying and guess what, the next guy on the list will pay. You are out of the job! Assuming you bought your way to the RHS, do you see a lot of fun, when every pax behind you paid less for that trip than you and you can’t even collect miles!!! What are you going to do, if your company changes equipment to a 737, you pay again? It might also be your dream to be Capt. on this A/C, are you going to pay again for some hours as CM1?
By spending all that money, you will never brake even and you guys have no idea what it means to increase your debts daily, more and more until your bank stops this deadly process. Not exactly a bright prospect!
The worst of all, you are not only bringing yourself into great distress, but all others working in this industry as well. Thanks!
Spaceman, sorry to say that:
"Who they would hire: me with a type rating or you with no type rating?"
In my case, they took me, so think about it!
You only have to be patient. You will find a job with correct conditions sooner or later.
Lots of luck to you all!
Just starting my first flying job (completed integrated ab-initio fATPL in 2003, 184 hours today with 15 ME) but having spent almost 10 years in the industry, let me explain you my point of few:
It might be your dream to fly an A320 which you can fulfil by paying. The day will come, when you have to stop paying and guess what, the next guy on the list will pay. You are out of the job! Assuming you bought your way to the RHS, do you see a lot of fun, when every pax behind you paid less for that trip than you and you can’t even collect miles!!! What are you going to do, if your company changes equipment to a 737, you pay again? It might also be your dream to be Capt. on this A/C, are you going to pay again for some hours as CM1?
By spending all that money, you will never brake even and you guys have no idea what it means to increase your debts daily, more and more until your bank stops this deadly process. Not exactly a bright prospect!
The worst of all, you are not only bringing yourself into great distress, but all others working in this industry as well. Thanks!
Spaceman, sorry to say that:
"Who they would hire: me with a type rating or you with no type rating?"
In my case, they took me, so think about it!
You only have to be patient. You will find a job with correct conditions sooner or later.
Lots of luck to you all!
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I am actually approaching the other end of a flying career
Me too! I start at 20, and I will finish at 65, with 1 year experience...(experience in my old flight school)
Me too!
I start at 20, and I will finish at 65, with 1 year experience...(experience in my old flight school)
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Tried now for 4 years after the worldtrade center went down, and before this, tried for 3 other years.
with the oil price going up everyday (60$ today???), it is sounds like we have to fill the gap between what airlines want, and what the CAA want.
And most of us have miscalculated how much it will cost to us, much more than the minimum requirement for the JAA.
As I have said before It is all about $. the petrol goes down, and everybody is happy, customers buy plane, and they start to hire pilots, then train pilots and maybe buy us the type rating .Or the oil increase, and airlines pack their planes as much as possible with "meat" and ask us to pay our type rating.
I think go for it if you have some money left, I can still buy a mercedes instead but view the price of the gaz, no thanks!
with the oil price going up everyday (60$ today???), it is sounds like we have to fill the gap between what airlines want, and what the CAA want.
And most of us have miscalculated how much it will cost to us, much more than the minimum requirement for the JAA.
As I have said before It is all about $. the petrol goes down, and everybody is happy, customers buy plane, and they start to hire pilots, then train pilots and maybe buy us the type rating .Or the oil increase, and airlines pack their planes as much as possible with "meat" and ask us to pay our type rating.
I think go for it if you have some money left, I can still buy a mercedes instead but view the price of the gaz, no thanks!
