Ryan Air Good Or Bad
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RYR have massive expansion plans and WILL need pilots in the years to come.... why pay for a job?
Going back to the original subect, its a personal choice. For a young person with few ties and a spare few grand sitting around, it must be an option. I'd rather do that then sit on my laurels for another 3 years, maybe instructing for peanuts. If you do the maths you will see that in the mid-long term it probably makes financial sense.
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"You are nothing but a cheap prostitute if you go for a deal like this"
"You don't appreciate that it isn't a job offer from Ryanair. It is you signing up for a good arse reaming by O'Leary"
Think of the amount of other distinguished pilots in Ryanair that, that applies too. Not a very mature attitude, by any stretch of the imagination, for such a distinguished pilot as yourself.
Now wheelbarrow, I really cannot be arsed trying to put my view across anymore. I have made my point and stand by what I said.
I can see your point, and fair do's, is also valid. I just dont think that Ryanair deserves such a beating like everyone gives it.
Like Carbheatout said, its a personal choice.
Now please, can we leave it at that
"You don't appreciate that it isn't a job offer from Ryanair. It is you signing up for a good arse reaming by O'Leary"
Think of the amount of other distinguished pilots in Ryanair that, that applies too. Not a very mature attitude, by any stretch of the imagination, for such a distinguished pilot as yourself.
Now wheelbarrow, I really cannot be arsed trying to put my view across anymore. I have made my point and stand by what I said.
I can see your point, and fair do's, is also valid. I just dont think that Ryanair deserves such a beating like everyone gives it.
Like Carbheatout said, its a personal choice.
Now please, can we leave it at that
Last edited by dlav; 9th Jun 2005 at 17:47.
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If you ont like the way Ryanair operate then dont apply, simple. Dont keep posting and bitching about the situation, if i was a 200 hour graduate from a flight school i would certainely be applying. The opportunities are few and far between for inexperienced pilots and you must explore all possibilities and take whatever you can get.
If its the financial side you cannot make peace with then dont apply or get invovled with the selection process. Same if percieve the company attitude towards its staff is poor.
I work for ryanair, the first six months is tough but the possibilities i will have created for the future now far out-weigh most of the aggro i have had to shoulder. You would be foolish to let them pass you by.
Dlav - i agree.
If its the financial side you cannot make peace with then dont apply or get invovled with the selection process. Same if percieve the company attitude towards its staff is poor.
I work for ryanair, the first six months is tough but the possibilities i will have created for the future now far out-weigh most of the aggro i have had to shoulder. You would be foolish to let them pass you by.
Dlav - i agree.
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So, in response because my parents or whoever are wealthy enough or are prepared to make a financial commitment for their child to (i know parents who have re-mortgaged) help them gain employment they should not do it because some people percieve paying for a type rating as wrong?
I would have to say you have to be far more selfish in life than sticking to the moral high ground all the time. It is a contentious subject, but dont forget most airlines have some sort of arrangement regarding type rating training/who pays for it. Whichever way you look at it, the bond, bond-reduced salary/paying it yourself, they all have disadvantages. (i think the worst of all is the bond to be honest)
M80 - it is unfair to say people who pay have no idea of financial matters.
Do u have a job?
Why are you so bothered by something you have said you will not get involved with?
I would have to say you have to be far more selfish in life than sticking to the moral high ground all the time. It is a contentious subject, but dont forget most airlines have some sort of arrangement regarding type rating training/who pays for it. Whichever way you look at it, the bond, bond-reduced salary/paying it yourself, they all have disadvantages. (i think the worst of all is the bond to be honest)
M80 - it is unfair to say people who pay have no idea of financial matters.
Do u have a job?
Why are you so bothered by something you have said you will not get involved with?
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Why are you so bothered by something you have said you will not get involved with?
As opposed to someone who goes to an airline that does it the old-fashioned bonding way, or instructs or whatever, who is not feeding the destruction of T&C's.
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My two sense!
Simple: as many before have said sign up if you want if you dont steer clear.
I myself have signed up. What I have seen over the past weeks is contradictory to the rumours that I have read on PPRUNE. I have jumpseated many flights out of various bases and found most crews to be happy in their jobs, enjoying the challenging flying into secondary airports. Many have left national carriers for the opputuinity for a career with FR.
PPRUNE commentary is focusing on FR due to tall poppy syndrome.
Of course everyone would prefer a TR paid for but unfortunately the industry has changed and will never be the same.
Having been up to the East Midlands training centre many times I have spoken pilots of all experience levels awaiting assesment, all currently employed but looking to jump ship. I believe they, like me, see the future of air transport within Europe.
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I myself have signed up. What I have seen over the past weeks is contradictory to the rumours that I have read on PPRUNE. I have jumpseated many flights out of various bases and found most crews to be happy in their jobs, enjoying the challenging flying into secondary airports. Many have left national carriers for the opputuinity for a career with FR.
PPRUNE commentary is focusing on FR due to tall poppy syndrome.
Of course everyone would prefer a TR paid for but unfortunately the industry has changed and will never be the same.
Having been up to the East Midlands training centre many times I have spoken pilots of all experience levels awaiting assesment, all currently employed but looking to jump ship. I believe they, like me, see the future of air transport within Europe.
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I believe they, like me, see the future of air transport within Europe.
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Some interesting reading over on Terms and Endearment (although if you believe that paying £50 to have your CV read and £200 for a sim-ride really is a good idea because you can fly a million hours a year in a shiny 737 NG, this thread might not be your cup of tea).
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=1
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=1
