Ryan Air Good Or Bad
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I find it hard to believe, that say for instance a new qualified fATPL grad, would turn down a position at Ryanair or not even apply for some airlines for that fact, just because the company has a bad rep.
"I am glad you have set your sights so high"
Sorry wheelbarrow, but thats bu££****. What lovely, helpful advice to a wanabee. Cipo and rednex made very valid points. The fact is, NONE of us have a choice of who we want to work for in the future.
If people can afford to pay to get their fATPL and then be picky about what arline they want to work for, then they should wake up and have their cornflakes. Ever heard the phrase beggers cant be choosers?
Ryanair isnt great, granted. But its a foot through the door in the airline industry, and perhaps a gateway to bigger and better things once you get your hours built up. I know its ****ty having to pay for the TR on top of the endless £££££s you spent just to get your licence, but it is worth it.
The other point that hasnt been mentioned earlier, is the job security. Ryanair surely cant be a risky company to work for, in terms of laying off pilots or going tits up, look at the expansion, aircraft orders, new bases etc etc. Starting salary isnt great, pretty lame in fact, but look at the increases in pay after year 1,2,3,4 etc. Its better than EZY under the sponsered FO entry scheme.
If I were £30,000 -- £70,000 in debt, id sure as hell be taking any job. You guys no as well as I do that nothing is guranteed in the airline business, so what chance have you of getting a job if your not going to £ucking apply for it in the first place?
Right, time to go and hide id say
"I am glad you have set your sights so high"
Sorry wheelbarrow, but thats bu££****. What lovely, helpful advice to a wanabee. Cipo and rednex made very valid points. The fact is, NONE of us have a choice of who we want to work for in the future.
If people can afford to pay to get their fATPL and then be picky about what arline they want to work for, then they should wake up and have their cornflakes. Ever heard the phrase beggers cant be choosers?
Ryanair isnt great, granted. But its a foot through the door in the airline industry, and perhaps a gateway to bigger and better things once you get your hours built up. I know its ****ty having to pay for the TR on top of the endless £££££s you spent just to get your licence, but it is worth it.
The other point that hasnt been mentioned earlier, is the job security. Ryanair surely cant be a risky company to work for, in terms of laying off pilots or going tits up, look at the expansion, aircraft orders, new bases etc etc. Starting salary isnt great, pretty lame in fact, but look at the increases in pay after year 1,2,3,4 etc. Its better than EZY under the sponsered FO entry scheme.
If I were £30,000 -- £70,000 in debt, id sure as hell be taking any job. You guys no as well as I do that nothing is guranteed in the airline business, so what chance have you of getting a job if your not going to £ucking apply for it in the first place?
Right, time to go and hide id say
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Press Association
Wednesday May 18, 2005
The Guardian
Budget airline Ryanair announced a 3% pay rise for nearly all of its 2,600 staff yesterday.
The firm said all its employees across Europe - apart from its Dublin-based pilots - would benefit from the rise, backdated to the start of April.
The director of personnel, Eddie Wilson, said: "Despite high oil prices and over-capacity in many European markets, Ryanair will again be one of the few airlines in Europe to award salary increases and secure careers for our people."
Wednesday May 18, 2005
The Guardian
Budget airline Ryanair announced a 3% pay rise for nearly all of its 2,600 staff yesterday.
The firm said all its employees across Europe - apart from its Dublin-based pilots - would benefit from the rise, backdated to the start of April.
The director of personnel, Eddie Wilson, said: "Despite high oil prices and over-capacity in many European markets, Ryanair will again be one of the few airlines in Europe to award salary increases and secure careers for our people."
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I'm sorry, but this airline is appalling. I would have to be very, very desperate to work for this shower.
Basically what the above press statement is saying is that all employees get 3%, except pilots in Dublin, who are being punished for trying to get some union representation. It's rule by dividing the workforce and rewarding the subservient.
To any wannabes tempted to join Ryanair, make sure you've exhausted all other avenues, make sure you can live with your conscience in the knowledge you are helping to poison the industry for the rest of us, join the union and get the hell out of there at the first opportunity.
By the way, in my airline, the pay rise this year was in excess of 3%, with a few extra sweeteners thrown in too. All negotiated by BALPA too.
Basically what the above press statement is saying is that all employees get 3%, except pilots in Dublin, who are being punished for trying to get some union representation. It's rule by dividing the workforce and rewarding the subservient.
To any wannabes tempted to join Ryanair, make sure you've exhausted all other avenues, make sure you can live with your conscience in the knowledge you are helping to poison the industry for the rest of us, join the union and get the hell out of there at the first opportunity.
By the way, in my airline, the pay rise this year was in excess of 3%, with a few extra sweeteners thrown in too. All negotiated by BALPA too.
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Hi fellows!
maybe for some pilots who are working for Ryanair now it´s no so cool as it was when they got the job. However for a 200h pilot it´s a great chance to get that job because for him o her there is no much companies to go and for those pilots who are desperately seeking for job seated in cockpit is a success.
We can´t forget many jobs as a pilot are to get experience and improve our live moving to another company and let positions to our partners coming behind us.
Happy flights and even better landings!
maybe for some pilots who are working for Ryanair now it´s no so cool as it was when they got the job. However for a 200h pilot it´s a great chance to get that job because for him o her there is no much companies to go and for those pilots who are desperately seeking for job seated in cockpit is a success.
We can´t forget many jobs as a pilot are to get experience and improve our live moving to another company and let positions to our partners coming behind us.
Happy flights and even better landings!
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Muppets who want to join ryanair, have a look at PPJN.
Take note of the junior FO pay: £8,900. Yes, thats per year. Then look at this little gem about junior FO flight pay:
How do you know its worth it? You can't possibly. If you had, you wouldn't be saying this. If you haven't, you can't say it.
Flying is a JOB. Yes, that's right. A means to live by. Bit hard to do without any money isn't it.
If you aren't being paid enough (or at all), its NOT WORTH IT. Go do something that gives you a life. I guarantee you it will take about 6 months of flying for this realisation to set in. Then, unless you are in a good job, you will feel pretty stupid and very very hard done by.
Not that any of you will listen of course.
Take note of the junior FO pay: £8,900. Yes, thats per year. Then look at this little gem about junior FO flight pay:
Junior FO) No flightpay for new JFO for the first 6 months. Thereafter half flightpay for the next 6 months. This is new as of 2 weeks ago and new hires was only told AFTER they payed for the typerating and got their contract.
endless £££££s you spent just to get your licence, but it is worth it.
Flying is a JOB. Yes, that's right. A means to live by. Bit hard to do without any money isn't it.
If you aren't being paid enough (or at all), its NOT WORTH IT. Go do something that gives you a life. I guarantee you it will take about 6 months of flying for this realisation to set in. Then, unless you are in a good job, you will feel pretty stupid and very very hard done by.
Not that any of you will listen of course.
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Budget airline Ryanair announced a 3% pay rise for nearly all of its 2,600 staff yesterday.
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We are talking about a company that charges for reading your CV, for sim rides, retraining on the NG, hotel accommodation, coffee, charging your mobile phone etc etc. Oh yes, and pays you next to nothing for the first x months (define x according to the whims of O’Leary).
Some people wouldn’t recognise the thin end of a wedge if it walked up and said: “Hello, I’m the thin end of a wedge.”
I’m well aware that low-hours CPLs can’t be too fussy, and maybe I’m a bit simple, but I wouldn’t dream of applying to a company that treated it’s employees like that - I really would rather work in McDonalds. Doesn’t the fact that one of their most senior captains is currently trying to get the CEO imprisoned for contempt suggest that it’s not the best of places to work?
Some people wouldn’t recognise the thin end of a wedge if it walked up and said: “Hello, I’m the thin end of a wedge.”
I’m well aware that low-hours CPLs can’t be too fussy, and maybe I’m a bit simple, but I wouldn’t dream of applying to a company that treated it’s employees like that - I really would rather work in McDonalds. Doesn’t the fact that one of their most senior captains is currently trying to get the CEO imprisoned for contempt suggest that it’s not the best of places to work?
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Look dlav,
I have always thought that Ryanair were the very bottom of the crap you may find after you've scraped the barrel bottom for quite a while but recently even I have thought 'hm...maybe...long term view....maybe...not too bad'
And then, thank the lord, I read the latest on ppjn.com and remembered why I will never apply.
All these people who wax lyrical may just feel that throwing money at the issue will help but the fact is employment with FR will cost you a lot more money than you have already spent.
How understanding is your bank manager?
Do you think the further loan repayments will be covered by the pitiful amount they will pay you in your first year?
Will you be able to afford to buy Tesco Value beans to eat out of the tin while sleeping in your car?
I guess most of us are used to being skint having financed our fATPLs but we're talking about a 'salary' that won't cover the very basics of a home and food, let alone the purchase of your FR uniform!!
I'd prefer not to work in McDonalds thanks but I think we all know G SXTY was making a valid point.
I have always thought that Ryanair were the very bottom of the crap you may find after you've scraped the barrel bottom for quite a while but recently even I have thought 'hm...maybe...long term view....maybe...not too bad'
And then, thank the lord, I read the latest on ppjn.com and remembered why I will never apply.
All these people who wax lyrical may just feel that throwing money at the issue will help but the fact is employment with FR will cost you a lot more money than you have already spent.
How understanding is your bank manager?
Do you think the further loan repayments will be covered by the pitiful amount they will pay you in your first year?
Will you be able to afford to buy Tesco Value beans to eat out of the tin while sleeping in your car?
I guess most of us are used to being skint having financed our fATPLs but we're talking about a 'salary' that won't cover the very basics of a home and food, let alone the purchase of your FR uniform!!
I'd prefer not to work in McDonalds thanks but I think we all know G SXTY was making a valid point.
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yes fair enough, but perhaps if people would care to read my previous posts, I have in fact said that Ryanair isnt the best to work for, far from it in fact. I have already raised the point regarding first year pay, and it is crap.
However, look at year two pay, year three, the increases are quite substantial, and whoever it was that made the point about not being able to live on the ryanair salary at all, perhaps they should stop getting their pints of milk from harrods, really, 35k a year is not bad by any job standards.
First let me clarify my previous points, I believe that somebody said they would never apply to ryanair if they were seeking employment once they had finished training. The point that I was trying to make was that anybody would take any job, at any airline given the amount of debt they are likely to be in. After 4/5 years at ryanair, and stilll not happy then jump ship. Youll be in a much better position to be 'picky' about who you want to work for then, than when you had a mere 200hrs.
I just find it hard to belive that a new grad fATPL wouldnt even to apply to one of europes biggest airlines for a job, who do have a track record for taking a few low hour pilots.
If anyone thinks this is mad, then please forgive me, but go to any person training for their ATPL at the mo, and I really dont think they would turn down any job offer.
Food for thought
However, look at year two pay, year three, the increases are quite substantial, and whoever it was that made the point about not being able to live on the ryanair salary at all, perhaps they should stop getting their pints of milk from harrods, really, 35k a year is not bad by any job standards.
First let me clarify my previous points, I believe that somebody said they would never apply to ryanair if they were seeking employment once they had finished training. The point that I was trying to make was that anybody would take any job, at any airline given the amount of debt they are likely to be in. After 4/5 years at ryanair, and stilll not happy then jump ship. Youll be in a much better position to be 'picky' about who you want to work for then, than when you had a mere 200hrs.
I just find it hard to belive that a new grad fATPL wouldnt even to apply to one of europes biggest airlines for a job, who do have a track record for taking a few low hour pilots.
If anyone thinks this is mad, then please forgive me, but go to any person training for their ATPL at the mo, and I really dont think they would turn down any job offer.
Food for thought
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I am told that once you have a permanent base you go on to a permanent contract and start on the half sector pay. After six months you get the full flight pay, which I am told is up to 2500 pounds if you are busy and have a UK base (and they are short of F/o s so I think you will be).
The upshot is that the starting money is low but seems to go up quite well, and you could get a left seat after four years from zero experience! Plus I know a few established F/o s and they drive very nice cars indeed......
The half sector pay alone (tax free remember) is a similar amount to what you take home on a few of the poorly paid turboprop jobs that are out there
each to his or her own but I think I would prefer the jet hours.....
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The upshot is that the starting money is low but seems to go up quite well, and you could get a left seat after four years from zero experience! Plus I know a few established F/o s and they drive very nice cars indeed......
The half sector pay alone (tax free remember) is a similar amount to what you take home on a few of the poorly paid turboprop jobs that are out there
each to his or her own but I think I would prefer the jet hours.....
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Keep flipping the burgers all you wannabes who rule out Ryanair as a job opportunity. Big mistake!
Maybe you may reconsider when you STILL don't have a job in 1,2 or 3 years time.
Don't forget to renew you IR............
Maybe you may reconsider when you STILL don't have a job in 1,2 or 3 years time.
Don't forget to renew you IR............
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You are a fool.
You don't appreciate that it isn't a job offer from Ryanair. It is you signing up for a good arse reaming by O'Leary.
You are offering to pay to get in the seat and then not be paid for up to a year once you are there.....
Get a grip and stop being so desperate.
People like you are allowing all airlines to reduce their terms and conditions. You are nothing but a cheap prostitute if you go for a deal like this.
You are a fool.
You don't appreciate that it isn't a job offer from Ryanair. It is you signing up for a good arse reaming by O'Leary.
You are offering to pay to get in the seat and then not be paid for up to a year once you are there.....
Get a grip and stop being so desperate.
People like you are allowing all airlines to reduce their terms and conditions. You are nothing but a cheap prostitute if you go for a deal like this.
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wheelbarrow, perhaps abit of maturity wouldnt go a miss if your going to make a statement like that. We cant all have jobs.
Afterall this a forum where people should be able to express their views without being subjected to such negative responses, especially in the wanabee section.
Everyone has their own views on the various airlines within the UK airline industry, so why should I be put in the firing line for expressing my opinion of ryanair? good or bad?
Now personally I have made my point in my previous posts, and have no intention of getting bogged down in a debate regarding ryanair.
You, like many others are entitled to your opinion, but please, stop trying to force your opinions down the throats of others. Let people make up their own minds.
dlav
Afterall this a forum where people should be able to express their views without being subjected to such negative responses, especially in the wanabee section.
Everyone has their own views on the various airlines within the UK airline industry, so why should I be put in the firing line for expressing my opinion of ryanair? good or bad?
Now personally I have made my point in my previous posts, and have no intention of getting bogged down in a debate regarding ryanair.
You, like many others are entitled to your opinion, but please, stop trying to force your opinions down the throats of others. Let people make up their own minds.
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Maturity?
I don't see my views as immature. In fact many established airline pilots like me, agree that people like Ryanair are a scavenger on our industry and that the likes of you are stupid for feeding them. You will struggle to gain respect of your peers if you keep feeding O'leary with profits instead of feeding your family food.
Not everyone can have jobs? Not sure about that as a fact, but RYR have massive expansion plans and WILL need pilots in the years to come.... why pay for a job?
Justify your views rather than say I am immature.
I look forward to your usual response.
In my opinion, which is what this thread is about, I think Ryanair are A VERY BAD OPTION.
Maturity?
I don't see my views as immature. In fact many established airline pilots like me, agree that people like Ryanair are a scavenger on our industry and that the likes of you are stupid for feeding them. You will struggle to gain respect of your peers if you keep feeding O'leary with profits instead of feeding your family food.
Not everyone can have jobs? Not sure about that as a fact, but RYR have massive expansion plans and WILL need pilots in the years to come.... why pay for a job?
Justify your views rather than say I am immature.
I look forward to your usual response.
In my opinion, which is what this thread is about, I think Ryanair are A VERY BAD OPTION.