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Stage 3
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I was there and not only I didn't go through, but also was invited not to reapply again ! (Was i that bad ? LOL)
It's a shame, but not everyone can go through, so many applicants and not so many places.
Would be cool to hear who went through, yeah. All the best to those !
Will (the Italian one)
I was there and not only I didn't go through, but also was invited not to reapply again ! (Was i that bad ? LOL)
It's a shame, but not everyone can go through, so many applicants and not so many places.
Would be cool to hear who went through, yeah. All the best to those !
Will (the Italian one)
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Will (The Italian one!)
Yeah I was told not to re-apply too, talk about kick you while you're down! what did you make of what they said about not being able to give feed back at this stage? do you think that means no feed back at stage 3 all together or at this time but in a few days they will send some?
So what are you going to do next? if you're anything like me you wont give up and you'll start looking for the next one, and use this as an experience, an expensive one at that, cor all the days off work I took to study and the loss in wages and everything else I and we all had to pay for, I really sacrificed a lot to prepare for CTC as im sure we all did, the least they could do is tell us where we went wrong. Fair enough they gave us those guidlines after telling us we were unsuccessful but all that stuff is just obvious and actually not really that helpfull, Anyway goodluck mate in whatever you decide to do next. If you find youself another decent scholarship or something of the sort then let me know wont you. Im actually looking into Jerez in Spain now, but im going to keep looking.
Just in case you didn't know which one I was, well I was wearing the orange tie and and was from Essex, ha thats probably why I didn't get in!
Yeah I was told not to re-apply too, talk about kick you while you're down! what did you make of what they said about not being able to give feed back at this stage? do you think that means no feed back at stage 3 all together or at this time but in a few days they will send some?
So what are you going to do next? if you're anything like me you wont give up and you'll start looking for the next one, and use this as an experience, an expensive one at that, cor all the days off work I took to study and the loss in wages and everything else I and we all had to pay for, I really sacrificed a lot to prepare for CTC as im sure we all did, the least they could do is tell us where we went wrong. Fair enough they gave us those guidlines after telling us we were unsuccessful but all that stuff is just obvious and actually not really that helpfull, Anyway goodluck mate in whatever you decide to do next. If you find youself another decent scholarship or something of the sort then let me know wont you. Im actually looking into Jerez in Spain now, but im going to keep looking.
Just in case you didn't know which one I was, well I was wearing the orange tie and and was from Essex, ha thats probably why I didn't get in!
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Orange tie from Essex : :-)
maybe the reason you didn't make it was the orange tie ! :-)
the way I see it is that they won't give us any feedback at all.
I guess we paid our fees, done our bit and there's no interest in giving feedback.
The invite not to reapply was the icing on the cake, and it really goes against the principle of learning, preparation and training. Learn from mistakes to improve your skills.
Perhaps they are looking for natural "talents" and they don't want your performance to be altered by learned behaviours.
Arguably, I could have been able to fly blindfolded an F-16 inverted and still fail the group exercise ! LOL
Anyway it's always hard to tell, there's lots of demand and very little supply and that will always generate unhappy applicants !
I am gonna look elsewhere but this time I make sure I speak to as many people in the business as I can. When I applied with CTC I knew little about the scheme and I did it partially as a game. To my surprise I made it to stage 3 but as usual as you get a taste for it you want more, so I'll try other ways. Might cost a bit but nothing comes for free after all !
Good luck
Will (the Italian one !)
maybe the reason you didn't make it was the orange tie ! :-)
the way I see it is that they won't give us any feedback at all.
I guess we paid our fees, done our bit and there's no interest in giving feedback.
The invite not to reapply was the icing on the cake, and it really goes against the principle of learning, preparation and training. Learn from mistakes to improve your skills.
Perhaps they are looking for natural "talents" and they don't want your performance to be altered by learned behaviours.
Arguably, I could have been able to fly blindfolded an F-16 inverted and still fail the group exercise ! LOL
Anyway it's always hard to tell, there's lots of demand and very little supply and that will always generate unhappy applicants !
I am gonna look elsewhere but this time I make sure I speak to as many people in the business as I can. When I applied with CTC I knew little about the scheme and I did it partially as a game. To my surprise I made it to stage 3 but as usual as you get a taste for it you want more, so I'll try other ways. Might cost a bit but nothing comes for free after all !
Good luck
Will (the Italian one !)
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Feedback
Hi Guys,
I imagine the reason why they don't give feedback after stage 3/4 is to prevent posts here on what you should or shouldn't do in the process i.e. people wouldn't turn up acting like themselves. CTC make it very clear that they want people to act themselves and I think this is very important.
I got through on the 23rd with Xcr8 and like him I can't say how grateful I am to CTC for giving me this chance. There are plenty more options for the guys who don't get through so keep the head up and the chest out!
I imagine the reason why they don't give feedback after stage 3/4 is to prevent posts here on what you should or shouldn't do in the process i.e. people wouldn't turn up acting like themselves. CTC make it very clear that they want people to act themselves and I think this is very important.
I got through on the 23rd with Xcr8 and like him I can't say how grateful I am to CTC for giving me this chance. There are plenty more options for the guys who don't get through so keep the head up and the chest out!
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Written Questions?
Does anyone know how long it takes them to get back to you after you have faxed them your written questions (second part of application), because its been a while and i have heard nothing?
I'm thinking they didn't receive the fax!
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I'm thinking they didn't receive the fax!
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I had sent the application off at 9:00am and had an answer by just after lunch. Maybe they were having a quiet time though?
How long has it been since you sent yours off?
How long has it been since you sent yours off?
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camflyer,
Don't be afraid to call them and ask, they are really not the kind of people to tell you to go away. In fact, they might ask you why you didn't call earlier!
I sent mine on a Friday and called up Monday morning to ask if it arrived (I don't trust fax machines one bit). She had a quick look through the pile, commented on my hand writing (
) and said she'd get in touch by the end of the day. By Monday 4pm I had an email inviting me for Stage 2.
Don't be afraid to call them and ask, they are really not the kind of people to tell you to go away. In fact, they might ask you why you didn't call earlier!
I sent mine on a Friday and called up Monday morning to ask if it arrived (I don't trust fax machines one bit). She had a quick look through the pile, commented on my hand writing (
) and said she'd get in touch by the end of the day. By Monday 4pm I had an email inviting me for Stage 2.
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Phase 2 Complete
Afternoon All,
Just got my pass result for phase 2 which I was sure I fluffed because I came out of the capacity test foaming from the ears and dribbling from one corner of my mouth!! Off to Dibden on the 4th April and would like to know if anyone ever obtained the questions from the Kent Uni website? They are still there but need a password now. If not I've got a basic idea and will just have to continue prepping.
Anyone else on phase 2 on the 3rd March get through. Would be cool if you did.
The Reverand
Just got my pass result for phase 2 which I was sure I fluffed because I came out of the capacity test foaming from the ears and dribbling from one corner of my mouth!! Off to Dibden on the 4th April and would like to know if anyone ever obtained the questions from the Kent Uni website? They are still there but need a password now. If not I've got a basic idea and will just have to continue prepping.
Anyone else on phase 2 on the 3rd March get through. Would be cool if you did.
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I'm off to stage 2 on the 10th of March and very much appreciate some usefull info on the excercises. I just heard the scheme changed and is no longer free of charge. Also the excercises changed?!
Also i heard we have group discussions on current subjects, could someone please post recent subjects that came up during these group excercises? I heard something about bullet-proof doors and air-marshalls.
I'm off to stage 2 on the 10th of March and very much appreciate some usefull info on the excercises. I just heard the scheme changed and is no longer free of charge. Also the excercises changed?!
Also i heard we have group discussions on current subjects, could someone please post recent subjects that came up during these group excercises? I heard something about bullet-proof doors and air-marshalls.
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Homework Time
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For cadets it is smart casual and although everyone on my assesment were wearing suits I turned up in a jumper and trousers
I am sure it will be the same for you. Have you not been told? If not then a suit may not be the worst of options.
With respect to the group discussion the topic really is a moot point. The main thing they are looking for is your interaction with others and how you dominate an argument or not, whatever the case is. This is true because although the topics are on recent events, that recent event could be to discuss the moral implications of abortion or whether or not Tony Blair should me Priminister. Obviously they may not even be aviation based. It's not what your talking about or whether or not you can disscus the inner-workings of an IRS system (this is done at groundschool), but how you go about getting your point across. As with any piece of advice you receive on this forum find out for yourself as this is just my 2cents worth.
Good Luck
The Reverand
For cadets it is smart casual and although everyone on my assesment were wearing suits I turned up in a jumper and trousers
I am sure it will be the same for you. Have you not been told? If not then a suit may not be the worst of options.With respect to the group discussion the topic really is a moot point. The main thing they are looking for is your interaction with others and how you dominate an argument or not, whatever the case is. This is true because although the topics are on recent events, that recent event could be to discuss the moral implications of abortion or whether or not Tony Blair should me Priminister. Obviously they may not even be aviation based. It's not what your talking about or whether or not you can disscus the inner-workings of an IRS system (this is done at groundschool), but how you go about getting your point across. As with any piece of advice you receive on this forum find out for yourself as this is just my 2cents worth.
Good Luck
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Morning all,
Congrats Lovejoy I also just found I passed stage 2, though i'm not at dibden till 5th April and if anyone has any useful info on stage 3 would be much apreciated.
For whoever might find it useful this was lay out of my stage 2 day;
a.m. (10 - 12) presentation teliing people about the scheme
lunch for half hour (£160 for a sandwich, what a rip!)
p.m. was split into two groups, some people did the following in opposite order but for me
12.30-12.45 simple numeracy test 15 questions in 15 minutes basic maths although the questions had to be extracted, (e.g. if an aircraft decends from 10000 feet at a rate of 1500 feet per minute to 4000 feet, how long does it take to decend?)
Then quite a bit of sitting about waiting to start the capacity test.
2.00-3.30 capacity test, the previously mentioned pilapt test, (uses 7 different modules) this wasnt to complex until the last test, it involves using a joystick to center a crosshair on the centre of the screen, simple shape identification, number recognition etc (simple tests using combination of either keyboard, joystick or a mouse as inputs and headphones and a monitor as outputs)
3.30-late, a long train journey home!
Everyone there was wearing a suit except for one in a jumper who im guessin was reverand lovejoy!
thanks to anyone posting advice on this forum, very useful
dan
Congrats Lovejoy I also just found I passed stage 2, though i'm not at dibden till 5th April and if anyone has any useful info on stage 3 would be much apreciated.
For whoever might find it useful this was lay out of my stage 2 day;
a.m. (10 - 12) presentation teliing people about the scheme
lunch for half hour (£160 for a sandwich, what a rip!)
p.m. was split into two groups, some people did the following in opposite order but for me
12.30-12.45 simple numeracy test 15 questions in 15 minutes basic maths although the questions had to be extracted, (e.g. if an aircraft decends from 10000 feet at a rate of 1500 feet per minute to 4000 feet, how long does it take to decend?)
Then quite a bit of sitting about waiting to start the capacity test.
2.00-3.30 capacity test, the previously mentioned pilapt test, (uses 7 different modules) this wasnt to complex until the last test, it involves using a joystick to center a crosshair on the centre of the screen, simple shape identification, number recognition etc (simple tests using combination of either keyboard, joystick or a mouse as inputs and headphones and a monitor as outputs)
3.30-late, a long train journey home!
Everyone there was wearing a suit except for one in a jumper who im guessin was reverand lovejoy!
thanks to anyone posting advice on this forum, very useful
dan
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hey. well done for getting through to stage 3.
I recently attended a stage 3 assesment day. Unfortunately i didnt get through but was asked to reapply as i was very close.
stage 3 is a good day, involving group problem solving and an interview with a pannel of selectors. it is a relaxed atmosphere and you should try to enjoy it. good luck!
I recently attended a stage 3 assesment day. Unfortunately i didnt get through but was asked to reapply as i was very close.
stage 3 is a good day, involving group problem solving and an interview with a pannel of selectors. it is a relaxed atmosphere and you should try to enjoy it. good luck!
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stage 4
Hi
I am off to stage 4. Anyone got any pointers? I have a rather rusty ppl - actually more rusted solid as i have not taken the controls for 3 years now!
Dont know if its of use to go and get some sim time?
Any advice, especially from someone whos been there and done it would be great.
cheers
CBE
I am off to stage 4. Anyone got any pointers? I have a rather rusty ppl - actually more rusted solid as i have not taken the controls for 3 years now!
Dont know if its of use to go and get some sim time?
Any advice, especially from someone whos been there and done it would be great.
cheers
CBE
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Congrats Birdseye!!
Well done Birdseye,
Can you give advice on the stage 3 questions as there seems to be alot of change in the last few months. Was it 2 group discussions and an interview? Were the interview questions based on technical aspects of flight or economic? I ask this because my friend did the same recently and he claimed they asked him what the 5 step process would be in setting up a new airline?! If this is the case I'm done for!!
Before anyone starts having a go I'm not interested in specific questions just whether or not they are tech or economic based.
With respect to the stage 4 assesment are you in the 73- or the king air? Either way there is an average of about 85% pass rate at this stage and the guys are only looking for an improvement in your ability to fly the afoermentioned aircraft. If all else fails, enjoy the sim time as it's probaly the last time you'll see the left hand seat of a King air or the 73- for some time. (please don't read that as an insult!!)
Oh yeah - to answer your question, I wouldn't bother shelling out for sim time as it's the improvement and learning capability these guys are looking for! If you go in and ace the first try you'll only set yourself up to fail the second (comparison) flight. With this being said and done it's not worth flunking the first to get a good second. Are u lost yet?!?! Primary piece of advice is to do your best at whatever is thrown at you in the sim. Don't plan for it and just deal with it at the time the best you know how. This is what will give you the best chance at passing. Please note I am only at stage 3 - but this is how I would deal with this matter.
The very best of luck!!!
The Reverand
Can you give advice on the stage 3 questions as there seems to be alot of change in the last few months. Was it 2 group discussions and an interview? Were the interview questions based on technical aspects of flight or economic? I ask this because my friend did the same recently and he claimed they asked him what the 5 step process would be in setting up a new airline?! If this is the case I'm done for!!
Before anyone starts having a go I'm not interested in specific questions just whether or not they are tech or economic based.
With respect to the stage 4 assesment are you in the 73- or the king air? Either way there is an average of about 85% pass rate at this stage and the guys are only looking for an improvement in your ability to fly the afoermentioned aircraft. If all else fails, enjoy the sim time as it's probaly the last time you'll see the left hand seat of a King air or the 73- for some time. (please don't read that as an insult!!)
Oh yeah - to answer your question, I wouldn't bother shelling out for sim time as it's the improvement and learning capability these guys are looking for! If you go in and ace the first try you'll only set yourself up to fail the second (comparison) flight. With this being said and done it's not worth flunking the first to get a good second. Are u lost yet?!?! Primary piece of advice is to do your best at whatever is thrown at you in the sim. Don't plan for it and just deal with it at the time the best you know how. This is what will give you the best chance at passing. Please note I am only at stage 3 - but this is how I would deal with this matter.
The very best of luck!!!
The Reverand