Cougar.....no more
 

Another casualty on the freight front after Heavylift, Cougar the quiet Cat has gone very, very quiet indeed....!!! sadly

So what type of kit will TNT use now to replace the 727 routes out of LGG?

So thats why
 

So thats why the Cougar was not in Athens last week , sad they are gone , will miss the sight of the B727 :(

Greetings,
Jacob

It was only a matter of time.......http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/wave2.gif

Viking9... why do you always find other peoples misfortune (whatever the circumstances) the cause for a smile? :sad:

I am really sorry to hear about the demise of Cougar. They were a great bunch of blokes who always seemed to be going from one management crisis or another but still got on with it. I shall miss them.

I wish all of you every luck in finding new and gainful employment and very soon.

Are you sure that Cougar has gone?
Or has it just retired to its den to lick its wounds.
It certainly would be sad to lose yet another UK freight company whilst the rest of the world operates with impunity within Europe.
But there have been lots of rumours about internal strife within the company on previous postings to this site!

The story so far as I understand is this.-Goodrich have called the lease agreement for the 217 engines as they require them for a 707 conversion. The ac are parked up at SEN this weekend but maybe have one more week with TNT before being flown back to USA. It will be a real shame because they will be the last G reg 727

What a shame...........................................:(

See u
Jacob

Cougar
 

I left Cougar some time ago.

To all the Operations Staff, Engineers, Loadmasters and Pilots I wish you all the very best for the future. You were a talented and nice bunch of people I am sure that you will all do very well.

What a unique experience Cougar Leasing Ltd/Cougar Air Cargo were.

We were in Ath last week
 

We were in ATH last week. Little did we know it! The last flight out was on Friday night. Hopefully, despite all the stories, the cat has some of it's lives left and will be up and running again soon.:O

:\ I left the company a while ago when a few were got rid of for telling a few home truths. Good luck to the good guys but it couldnt have happened to a better managment. I am sure the whole truth will come out in good time and believe me it is good enough for national press.

Fly_146 if you knew the real sordid truth about this company you would understand while I smile. As others have remarked, it's a shame about the good people involved. As for the bad people, well, I reserve judgement and smile again :ok:

Viking9 I know you have your axe to grind with Cougar but you left some time ago, I cannot understand why you would get pleasure from seeing the company go down knowing A lot of people (of which I am one will be out of a job) .Instead of gloating why not try giving a bit more sympathy to the good people who were just trying to make a living.

Oh well, better get on to those contacts we've all got....!

The company are keeping on a token staff of 8 to keep the AOC going with the TU204, but I was told that can only carry on for a year.

There's always a chance of a new type, after all they've been looking at plenty during the last year!:D

Good luck to everyone, it's certainly been a pleasure working with you all. Hope our paths cross again sometime.

Regards

Heard they were looking at the L1011F
Dont know how far that went however.

:How can a company that has no aircraft flying have other aircraft/company using their AOC, what happened to financial fitness etc?

STAGE COACH DRIVER I didn't leave as you mention, I found out that I was no longer on the payroll because the postman delivered a letter to me one Friday morning. Under employment law, the employer is supposed to discuss redundancies with his/her employee before making their decisions and not to be told by the postman !

I have no axe to grind, but it saddened me at the time that so called loyal and professional people, with whom I've known for many years, can turn out to be twisted and down right ugly. How they can get away with the lies and deceit is beyond me. We all know who they are so there is no point in going any further on that subject.

I do feel sorry though for those, like you, who now find themselves out of work but my advice to them and you, is to do what I did. Get another job straight away and put the whole experience behind them. Good people find good jobs because good people will always rise above the ashes and survive. Just like I have.

Maybe now others will come out with the truth about Cougar Leasing and the so called "loyalty" from it's owner. I for one don't care that the company has closed or is closing. I do however, as mentioned above, care for those who are good decent people who will now have to pick up the pieces and start again.

major1 I wouldn't hold out too much, too many lies means not too many aircraft. MD11's, B737's, B747's, L1011's and oh, to all the ex cabin crew, yes, you were lied to also.

I do not think the engines will be used for a 707 conversion, it would not be viable, the best conversion for old 707s these days is to non stick frying pans. As an ex 707 jock when the president of the US of A stopped flying in one I took the hint!

I think the most likely scenario is that someone owes someone else some money, but that is no comfort to the crews about to be laid off.

I hope the crews at Cougar can recover from this.

Apparently the engines are destined for the US military.

BF Goodrich had a clause in the engine lease agreement allowing them to give Cougar 5 days notice to return the engines.

If the military were desperate for the engines, BF G could name their price. As long as the figure was more than what Cougar were paying, they're bound to take 'em back and watch even more money roll in than before.

I've no idea which aircraft they would need them for, maybe KC135's if they've been blatting around the Gulf at full chat?!

Viking9 - Private message coming your way....

I think most of the KC135's were converted to CFM's.
Does not make sense. Perhaps 411A knows?

M M
Do you buy that ?!?!

Who on earth!!! would run a business with a clause like that on lease agreement ?
MAX, thanks for your consideration, I' m dreading it, but your scenario may well be the right one ,
Anyway......the good thing with the non-stick frying pans they dont have to be : RVSM, RNAV,CAT-2,stage-3 compliant they dont even have an MEL !!!

Viking9

"I do feel sorry though for those, like you, who now find themselves out of work but my advice to them and you, is to do what I did."

You didnt do anything, you were sacked by post according to your own admission!

Have sat and read your bashing for long enough and yes I dont know who you are or your history but Ive read enough people reminding you not to be so single minded and resentful, so please take the hint and lets support these unfortunate chaps who through no fault of their own are now seeking gainful employment.

As a penalty for your continous bashing why not start a thread that shows you have a heart.

For the record, some of the information you place is informative and intresting but please take heed and have a change of heart

Just heard on the grapevine that ACL have got the ex TNT/Cougar contract. For quite a while apparently.....

300psi - You'll notice that I started my post with "apparently". I wouldn't say either way If I believed it or not. I was just posting another story that I had heard, albeit from a fairly well informed source back at the bat cave!
Everyone can read the rumors and make their own decision.
I personally laugh at each and every rumor about Cougar, otherwise I'd be a gibbering wreck by now!

sad to see the cat go. good luck to the the boys and girls

Very sad indeed I worked with a few of the chaps who moved to Cougar when they started up and I must admit those 72`s looked the dogs b**lox with that livery. Very sad to hear this sad news good luck to you all.

Chillwinston get your facts right - I was NOT sacked and have never been in my entire career. I was made redundant along with many others who spoke up for themselves. That aside, I'm glad to not be part of a twisted company.

As for having a heart, I have a big heart and will help anyone who needs to find another job. I found work within 24hrs of being made redundant. Like I said before, good people find work immediately and that's exactly what I did.

My heart is firmly in the right place, I don't have to change my perspective or outlook. As I said, if anyone needs help finding alternative work, they know where to find me.

Viking9
 

How very unintersting !!!!

You still know alot about nothing !


Tell us how you have done well in life ? you must be quite old as the amount of jobs you have held is mounting up !!!

You have ended up an Ops bod for a cargo airline.............Great!!!


Keep clear of Viking9............he will bore you all silly.........and yes he DID get sacked from Cougar......I remember it well, im still laughing now.


ReDcAp

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Lads, take the slagging somewhere else please............

Some good friends of mine lost their jobs out of this, as well as having forked out for the type rating.

Hope they get jobs soon. All of them.

Hogg

So sorry to hear of Cougars demise especially for the guys from the NE the second time the rug has been pulled out in less than two years.
Hope something turns up soon.

Hold on guys.......No quarrel.... No bashing please !!!
lets spend all that energy to sort out the girls and guys and their family, they need our help more than anything else ,so ...if you know something about jobs or vacant positions let us know PDQ !
Lets use PPRuNe intelligently ....

3000psi..... I'm with you on that.

Viking 9......Get a life, we all know your feelings about Cougar you don't have to take them to your grave, put it behind you.

I agree about Cougars colour scheme one of the more imaginative ones around, pity it could not put it on both the freighters though.

Could this be a farewell to 727s in Europe

Good luck to all the Cougar staff

redcap still clearly wrong about everything I see, never been sacked and am never likely to be. Also, I've done with the cargo airline - contract over, and have moved on so as HOGG says, take your slagging elsewhere.

Max Pointers I have a life and a good one at that, but thanks for your concern. Maybe you and redcap should get together

Now if you don't mind, this thread is about Cougar and nothing else. As 3000psi said, lets help get the ex Cougar people back into work. As a contract worker myself, I may be able to find work for some of you. Feel free to contact me, those who ACTUALLY know who I am will know where and how to find me.

Ahem, I removed that smilie. CR2

Oops http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/sulkoff.gif

What is wrong with everyone this is supposed to be a rumour network not a slanging match! Although I do have to say Viking 9 was not sacked he was made redundant whislt I his immediate manager was on holiday that seemed to be the way the company worked. Also please do not feel sorry for the NE or is it Northern Alliance as it was a very good company until Fossil and Co arrived and ruined it.:E

3000 psi Private Message on its way

Humble Pie

appologies for the bashing at a time when we should be assisting and not slagging.

Just cant believe the man gets away with it but hey think others have the right idea about him so no more said.

V sorry to hear the bad news - good luck to all concerned, especially the ex-HLA loadies!

major1 to answer your question, the KC-135's are roughly split into CFM and JT3 power, so the engines would be for something else. Like most others here, I will only wish good fortune to those who will be now seeking re-employment. I'll leave it at that.

Au revoir!
 

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