newswatcher this a/c is already in the USA, what happens to the other 2 is anyones guess :confused:

The 2 Freighters will be off to the States very soon :{

This cats been sick for a long time, now its time
for the CAA Vet to put it to sleep. Lets face it
the game is over, the staff have been screwed
over again, and the managment (sic) have got
away with it. :mad:

Viking 9 and 3000psi are the lucky ones they have
jobs, or jobs to go to at any rate. :cool:

Good luck to all the staff and crews hope you all
get something better soon. :ok:

Good riddance to the management.

I was chatting last night to one of the former ops staff who explained how this all came about. It seems to me as though BF Goodrich literally shafted this company, it would be interesting if to hear their side of the story was it just they needed to get their hands on cash fast, or was their more to it. Why send a company that is making money under especially as they had money tied up in it as well

Cougar - make money. Do the 2 go together ? Maybe.

Tarek Nor Doing very well thank you and you will be soon :ok:

And for all ex Cougar flight crew - click here EU jet it may be of some help.

Uninitated as I am (also read ignorant) in these matters...

If BF Goodrich want the engines back, what would Cougar have to do? By flying the aircraft back to the states, does it mean they'll be parked up for sale or scrapping? Who owns the airframe? Would it be financially viable to just take the engines off at SEN and send them back airfreight then scrap the aircraft for spares here? Who pays for the engine transportation/ferry flight?

Just a few questions...I'm sure I'll think of the answers as soon as I've posted!:O

HalesAndPace - Who's the ex-HLA Loadie then?

M M,
Hey zebeedee ! fancy one for the road, to warm you up !!! in memories of those scandinavian snow storms ?!? unfortunately....I' ve got the feeling our airplanes , will turn into non-stick frying pan very soon !!!

**MM** as the 727 spares market has fallen to less than zero, there's nothing to be made from breaking the aircraft - the donkeys are worth far more than the airframe.

3000psi - The Scandihooligan snowstorms were a piece of piss, it was the Belgian ones that blew ice-cold straight through every single layer of clothing you owned! Now that pissed me off! Not even the Hawiian Grass Skirt Dance could warm you up! What made it worse was that there were three guys not 20 feet from you, in shirt sleeves!! Not impressed at all.....

People forget the KN has given loads of first time jet jocks a chance to get hours on a jet both with Cougar and Sabre.

If you had to rely on the big boys to give you a chance then there would be a lot fewer chances in the industry.

Sabre and Cougar were unique in their approach and no one could expect it to be run like BA. They made money in a difficult market and gave employment to a great number of people for a good length of time. If you werent happy with your lot when you was there, you did what u did in any job......move on.

I think the Cat will be back in some other guise quite soon so and I wish then luck in their endeavours.

As for the seven twenty seven......well you might think its dead in the water but you cant keep a good plane down....ask Air Contractors and EAT.

Stop yer winging and just be grateful for the good times you had there.

I was and will look back with fond memories!

Coopervane:ok:

New european B727
 

I,ve read that Swiftair have an ex Delta B727 flying from madrid.
Still in Deta colours. Now EC-IMZ.
?? how have they got this one into Europe.

The ex Delta 727 in Madrid is used to fly deportees out of the country perhaps Cougar got rid of their Pax one too soon!

Be fair...!
 

Hey coopervane ! can we re-phrase this: like , has " sold " a chance to get hours on jet.......etc ,
to be fair with the "first time jet jocks " they ' ll be grateful to you, coz , as you know a very controversial , and sour subject which ,I think you are very brave to bring on this thread , I can hear the wind of war coming !!!

Pax Vobiscum

Coopervane
Sorry I did not mean to shout.

That was not a reply to this thread, that was a party political broadcast.
Which party are you representing? :yuk:

So what is happening with the TU204's long term? How long can they hold an AOC with no aircraft of their own?

Exactly the question all are asking something is amiss here as other airlines would not get away with it. Maybe time to ask the authorities. Then again they have got away with things that are unbelievable!:O

The Cat is dead long live (who gives a damn!)
 

Papa Noel and the rest of the executed.

Why are you bothering to pursue anything? It's over the Cat is dead all that is left is a bad smell and that will be gone soon. We all saw it coming and no one is surprised one bit that it died in the circumstances that it did. I dought that the Democratic Dictator will be caring at all, He will be running to the hills of Essex with his well protected bag of money and if he has any sense never set foot in the Aviation Industry again. Cougar was a very interesting adventure for us all and I am sure that we have all gained a lot of experience and scars for our time spent with the Cat.

Good luck to one and all for your Future.

No one realy likes bitter anyway.




Exxon-Futurama
the last laugh is everyones

:D eventually!!

Every cloud has a silver lining so the saying goes

For those that had to pay for the 727 rating the demise of the company alleviates the debt burden.

For those that were made redundant, for standing up to the management, by the infamous letter on the doorstep. May be retribution has been served

For those that remained a chance to concentrate their whole energy into finding employment. Good luck

Tis Life in aviation, either put up or get out,hard call sometimes! Coopervane has been there,as have many others, there's nothing louder than a whine from a jet engine other than aircrew!Still I have sympathy for those who have not been paid, but Goodrich have been the instigaters of the demise of cougar and 2 other airlines. K.N. has put the company in the hands of the administrators for good reasons . Just think He's been stuffed as well.

Exxon-Valdez

I do not think we are worried about what happened to Cougar it is just very frustrating that they are still operating when they did so much damage to so many people. And not the MD the sidekick had most to do with it. As for paying for a type rating was that all they paid for or did they buy the job? Also maybe not all clear that Goodrich are at fault!:E

About Goodrich.....
 

By the way 13 days after the 5 days clause, the airplanes are still at SEN...what's wrong with that picture ?!?!

:cool:Exxon-Valdez and Engineer, we all know who you are!!!
Thanks for confirming a couple of lose ends.Do you
guys spend to much time on your mobile phones maybe?

To Papa Noel and 3000 PSI, you guys have seen the Big
Picture for a long time now! Be wise and play your cards
close to your chest, it will all come out in the dirty wash, I
would say later rather than sooner. Lets take our time on
this one Guys!!!!!




Cool 4 Cats!!!

As the sun goes down.......
 

The industry is full of airliners making people pay these days for yer type rating. Easy Jet and Ryanair to name a few. Perhaps Keith got his fingers burned in the Sabre days when some individuals came, reaped then nobbed off rapid style. I am sorry for all you guys who didnt get payed and its hard to be sympathetic when the bank managers is on yer back. But all you can do is try another port in a storm. If you read these forums, there is always someone having a go at de management. Its human nature. And where does it get you being bitter and twisted? You have flown probably one of the great jets of our time when others were button pushing and were longing to have a pole around the skies instead of letting the box of tricks do it for you. You are better pilots for it believe me.

Let Cougar RIP and move on to the next adventure!

Coopervane

Hi coopervane,
you're damm right ," ResquiesCAT in pace " and lets move on to the next adventure.

Pax vobiscum

Ride off
 

Ride On

I am so scared that you think you know who I am.

Get over it :D



Exxon- Illuminati

ND and JN gone
 

The B727's were ferried to the USA via SNN
today. I have heard they will be going to
South America and will be flying, so the
rumour about being parted out was just that.

They were not flown by Cougar crews.

Sic transit gloria mundi....!
 

the cats are gone....for good, I' ve been told.

Exxon-Valdez

I am sorry you are so scared, but I was scared when I joined Cougar, to see the likes off yourself working in a professional industry. Maybe when Britian join the EU there will be a Laws brought in to short you out!!!!!

As for getting over it, thanks to the likes of you, I built a bridge in the early days of Cougar and got over it a long time ago!!!!Ameigo!

"Ride on see you"

Cool 4 Cats! :ok:

[SIZE=3]

Goodbye to the remaining 2 Top Cats!!!It was a great
Pleasure!!!! ;)


Cool 4 Cats!

Hey coopervane,
Keepin ok I hope ? does the thought of me & ye drivin' the 'ol' 72 around europe again frighten ya ??? hope so !! cos ya never no, it might just happen very soon, I Kid !!!!!!!!!!;) :ok:

PS: been to Yorky Towers lately ? how is the old B****r ?

Terrified!
 

That ride on is a professional.




Professional what?



The Cats and Cat Club are gone for good.



2Rye aye:ok:

:ok: Well at last it does seem as if they have gone and it couldnt have happened to a better managment. Good luck to the good guys and remember you allways go on to something better. As for the little people sincerly hope they are never seen in Aviation again and it will be a better place. RIP:mad:

Ex-con Valley,

Or future Con, "Whatever", I enjoyed the private message, now you enjoy the grey hairloss!!!:yuk:

Papa Noel, well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!:ok:



Cool 4 Cats!:cool:

Rumour that the Cougar boss planning to re-start with something heavy. Hope that all the ex-employees now paid and that they are offered jobs in the new outfit. Good luck guys. I hope that things work out well for all of you.

Best wishes.

Inch' allah......
 

Thanks for your best wishes stability jane,

But this will be out of reach for us all....as we are not TUPOLEV type rated and are neither russian or egyptian.....but I' ll love to be paid at least !!!

To All ex Cats,and their families,

No matter how bad things are at the moment and we are all suffering being owed so much money. Be positive and keep working together to get justice.
Many of our husbands had their salary cheques bounced several days before the administration order was granted and this is causing incredible stress and pain.
Keep gathering evidence and knowledge.Eventually if necessary the Serious Fraud Office can be involved.
If you marry a pilot and stay with him long enough you will have seen this all before.Non of these executives seemed very bright from what my xxxxxxx said and their contempt for professional aircrew will be their downfall.
See you in Court !

I know little about the Cougar situation Miss T Fayed, there are always two sides to every story. Very easy to have a go at management, they're always an easy target. Unless you or your husband have sat at the boardroom table you have no idea about managing an airline and how bloody difficult it is. So a few of you haven't got paid, you're pilots you WILL find other work. How do you think managament of a failed airline will fare? I mean after they've finished with the bankruptcy proceedings, the bankers, the lawyers, creditors, the recievers etc. You think they'll find a job easily? Maybe one or more of the directors gave personal guarantees to the bankers to secure funds, you know what that means when the business closes?

Bottom line is pilots can walk away with no strings attached. Not so easily done for those in charge.

let me tell you, this airline didn't even have a boardroom AND had no idea themselves how to run an airline. The staff of this so-called small, friendly airline have been well and truly shafted and I for one feel sorry for those who now find themselves with no money and no job thanks to so-called loyalty. I was a lucky one, I was paid.

If this company is thinking of launching again with a different type then I know for sure, questions will be asked and it won't just be people on Pprune who'll be asking them.

Dear Mister oneworld
 

Are you just telling us that you belong to the same manager family with little regard for your staff.....or just winding us up ?!?!
Dear mister "Green Giant " what' s your background ? how many line check ? how many OPC/LPC ? How many 1st class medical ? How many type rating, CRM, SEP, Dangerous good......etc !!! have done in the last 12 months ?!?!
How many exams have you taken to seat at the board ?????
I sure walk away from the airplane with no string attached..... but just like all my colleagues I walk...... on a thigh rope since the first day of my carriere, and its getting worst ... every years thanks to a certain category of " Managers "
We' ve reach the 21st century and its knowledge and expertise we're expecting from the board of directors and
not gambling on the " Kriegspiel " board at our expense

One World, your name is very apt or should it read Lost World.

Your condescending comments are typical of someone who
presumes that anyone who expects ethical behaviour from Management in whatever guise has little understanding of business.
Perhaps, if you are interested you should find some facts about what happened at Cougar before making generalisations.
Business is tough and so is life,but there is a significant difference between balancing the accounts and blatently cheating and lying to loyal employees!
I think from your comments that maybe you are more upset that a mere female should use this forum to voice an opinion.
Perhaps you would be surprised that I am the owner of a small ETHICAL Aviation business as well as being a pilot. So like other women ( eg Barbara Cassani), standing by my my husband and have a little bit of a brain and understanding Aviation business are not necessarily mutually exclusive to people like you!