gotya!
what your advice would be , in order to achieve min req, if i'll be getting out of the coast guard at 34 with 2500tt 500pic of wich 2300 on a military ATR42MP(MARITIME PATROL VERSION) 2 BAH DEGREES and a master in aviation? should i apply first in a smaller cargo airline or should i go into wherever place offers me hvy jet time? Any advice from all of you guys will be appreciated!:O

Start date 2nd of May
 

Anybody else on the may 2nd course?

Counting down and can't wait to start!

Hi HighHeinz,

I am also on May 2nd class. Looking forward with starting the course!!

Best regards,

ECHIE

ECHIE, rotorcloud, High Heinz and Bennie Apple, congratiulations!
Can you check your PM please?

Hi guys,

I'm starting on the 2nd of May as well.

For the people wondering about the time frame regarding assesment, interview: I did the assesment end of October, got the answer 10days after, interview mid December.

See you all in ELLX,
kwistax

Hello there.

Is anyone starting in may B744 type rated?

Brgds
1975

Well, let's not get carried away here.

Yes, it's a job. Yes it's a good job...but let's not exaggerate: with jet-lag, night flights and lot's of min rest/24h layovers in the network nowadays it's hardly the James Bond lifestyle that some previous posters claim it perhaps once was...

Thanks for keeping it real...

anyway i believe(hope) it is stiil a great lifestyle compared to the rest of the world/Europe...right now i'm flying at night/day 300/500 ft overwater for 6 h in a row...then refuel and back into the air for a total of 16hr in service..... and 12hrs rest before the next event.... no per diem, no 3 star hotels, just military rooms.. AND THEN YOU forget about THE PLANE FOR A MONTH,:zzz:, ... but your office full of paperwork is waiting for you and instead of being a pilot you become a lazy burocrat....:oh::oh:

ANYTHING (as far as flying jobs) IS BETTER THAN THIS!!! (love the flying part..but the rest...)


:confused:
So, any suggestion for a civilian flight career will be appreciated,

expecially i'd like to know from you guys what would be the best option if i'll get out of the military at 34 with 2500hr 500pic on a ATR42 MP and willing to apply for clx.:confused::confused:

Thanks to everybody:ok:

This is exactly why nobody should ever apply for any job, especially not CLX!

It's been said here before: don't apply just because you want to get away from your old employer, or because you'll get to fly a 'cool' 744 (perhaps one day even a 74-8 ;)) or because you fantasize about wild parties in exotic places with beautiful women. That's the wrong approach IMHO.

As I've said before, it's definitely a good job, but after 6 months you'll find out that; your new employer also has it's downsides, a 747 flies more or less like any other airplane, and that parties or sightseeing rarely happen on a 24h layover.

Look for a job that suits your personal lifestyle, not your ego! :ok:

unfortuantely with the delay on the -8F, the 4R7f's are being replaced by rubbish 400BCF's in the interim at hi lease costs and reduced payload capabilities,as they are sold off.

acmi48: are you the CFO of company since you know the figures of the "high lease costs?

Just out of curiosity Tank,
with all the reasons you stated not to join, why did you - just because of the money???
Best rgds
16

Nope, I like the lifestyle, but let's be honest: it's not for everybody.

When tempesta writes that 'any job is better than his current job' and has only military experience, perhaps he could also consider applying for short haul, passenger, corporate etc? Just an idea you know...

Tank you for your concern...

even my current job is not for everybody... and yes i do have "just" military xperience, and my questions about clx were not made to find a job wich allows me to party...:bored:

I'm used to long-haul flights, xpecially at night ,and last minute changes of plans;:8

so the idea of flying cargos is quite appealing since would be a soft transition to the civilian world and my xperience accumulated so far could help me out in this kind of job..

why do i want to apply for clx and i'm asking suggestion to meet min req? because clx is one of the top cargo airlines and as far as my standard goes, i don't expect anything less than the best for my life. :ok:

I'm sure there are issues inside clx, but where are you immune from them?:oh:

So, i'm really looking fwd to hear from you with some advice relating the steps i should take in order to reach the min req to apply.(i.e. should i apply for ryr to get some jet time or straight to cargos tnt, star air , etc.- or should i find sthing with parc aviation for 1 yr or 2?):)

Thanks Tank

Sorry tempesta, I didn't mean "only military" in a negative way, but in a way that you exclusively have military experience. Happy? ;)

As I'm sure you're aware, there are plenty of other options in the civil world other than cargo when making the transition from military to civilian aviation, so pick one that suits you best.

If you like the long flights and don't mind commuting/moving to LUX, short term roster changes and the occasional cool layover then I guess you'll like in CLX! :ok:

I regularly fly with guys who have a similar profile as you (military turbo prop --> CLX) so I guess it's no problem, although you might want to check the minimum fligh time requirements.

"Total flying experience of minimum 3,000 hours of which 2,000 hours are on high performance turboprop or jet as listed below :

ATR 72 "

You really got my concern....
for the flight time it is not a problem... i can wait 1.5yr in order to reach the 3000...

i've a current ATR42/72 tr even though i don't have a single flt hr on the 72, since we only have 42 mp.... what to do?

TR7 .. now there's a thought:ok:

Hello there.

Has anyone seen the new ad from Cargolux Italia on career.aero?

regards

1975

Good morning dear colleagues,

I passed the assesment at IBF and were invited for the interview in February this year. It was also succesfull.
But now it´s very quiet, I did not receive a starting date until today. I saw that there are two new courses in May and June.
And I met some people who are waiting for their results from the assesment for more than six weeks now.
I´m a little bit afraid now, that they forget to call me or that there are no more starting dates this year after June.

Anyone any idea what happens at Cargolux at the moment? Anyone else who had his interview in February like me and is still waiting for a starting date?

I´m looking forward to receive any information, I can´t wait to start the rating!


Piloteur737

Hi there.

Looks like recruiting for this year is finished, according to an email I received from career.aero

Any comments?

I'm not sure what you mean by "rubbish" Both of the BCF's fly like a dream .... they are not being replaced but merely fillers until Mr. B finally delivers the much awaited Dash 8's.
(Just mind the step going into the cockpit and avoid banging your head on the luggage lockers and they're fine. OK they haven't got a nose door)
:rolleyes:

Believe me he knows what he talks about!

Have you ever carried more than 110 tonnes in a -BCF, my record in a -400F was 128t (not for very far but around 6 hours if I remember right).

In his job I am quite sure he knows the lease rates, I don't - do you?

The way an aircraft flies has very little to do with the bottom line!

Recruiting finished, could be possible.
But what about new rating-dates after June?

Flightwatch, true enough, but there are plenty destinations where we anaway can't make it up to the maximum structural limit, since we are Field limited.
I actually do not have 2 flightplans side by side, but my feeling says it doesn't make a big difference in for example NBO.
On the other hand, the company sold the 400s at a time when cash was needed and they received plenty of it for the deal.
So now it is a situation which is far from ideal, but as far as the official info goes, there were not a lot of options at the time..

Hi there!

Does anyone know the terms and conditions of Cargolux Italia?

Thanks

Find them out by yourself!
And start to cry. whoever accepts them must be nuts!
you can't do yourself no good.
No comment.

acmi48

I've known him for 30-ish years.

He's been with CLX since the beginning, when some of you were still in pampers or not even thought about.

He knows his stuff.

Trust me, there are quite a few old-timers (ie senior Captains) giving sound advice here.

I am no longer with the company, but... those usernames that know each other... know each other.

16down2togo: that's what I'm trying to do. Thanks for the help!

Sooner or later I will know.

When you need some info where I can help, dont hesitate to ask.

748 at YFB
 

Here is one for everybody:

748 in YFB for cold wx. trials.


carholme

Cargolux Italia
 

This Cargolux Italia (ICV) is starting to pose a bit of a problem for CLX pilots.
It truly is a B-scale company with everything less than at CLX.
Less pay, less Per Diem, less off, less vacation.
On the other hand you might be able to create a real union and squeeze some better conditions from ICV. We all know that Italian unions can bring a company to its knees, and let's hope ICV will experience this first hand.
We from LUX are unable to achieve anything except for not accepting a contract down there.. This company is really a cancer on CLX which has to be removed.

Yes, it's sad, but it,s a major threat. Could happen or not, but just remember what happened with Lufthansa Cargo and Aerologic. There are a lot of examples.

When you start working in CLX they say to you to expect ten years on the right seat to get the opportunity of the upgrade. So you make a lot of commintmets, blowing up old bridges, hopping the best. You are still young but ten years is a lot of time. It's really a pleasure to fly the Jumbo all around the world. Nice fellows, good layovers, a fantastic instruction department and may other things......

My expectations for CLX are high. Though I feel insulted. Thanks to the efford of many many many people, we sail this huge crisis, including volcanos and snow collapses. Now we have this.

.So better us to be aware. Remember that we have been fined heavily for price collusion. Even our former CEO is facing now hard legal issues.

We can easily screw it up again, like we are doing now. I trully hope the best, but I was not born yesterday. This could be the end of CLX as known today.

For those who want to join us, be aware of the derivatives of what has been expose. Commit yourself it's difficult, but if we are honest and want to help the wanbabees, we shall report this.

Hopping the best:suspect:

A cancer on Cargolux that has to be removed
 

To Raycosmic: I think that your wish is come true. If the conditions at Cargolux Italy are so bad than nobody from Cargolux will want to have anything to with it.

Cargolux Italy conditions
 

Conditions are not that bad. Better than the majority of airlines flying in Europe. Or you think cargolux in luxembourg terms and conditions are the norm? There are A320 copilots flying for 800€ in Spain... Wake up! Earn what you can now and, if you are young, choose another career. I am sorry for you guys, but I dont think you stand a chance. I am facing the same thing in my company, 5% unilateral salary reduction, seniority salary increases frozen. And the other side saying that all papers signed worth nothing because in the eyes of the economical crisis all measures are possible.

Dear Coto, flying used to be a good job, so if pilots are stupid enough to fly for €800 then they (and yourself!) better wake up!

Why on earth should we lower ourselves to their level of stupidity and ruin what once was a good industry to work in? Do you think the CV Mxp management's bonuses are less than that of CV Lux? :ugh:

I am not one of those pilots, I think I have reasonable conditions. But there are thousands of unemployed pilots( my wife one of them). They spend money mantaining their licenses current, to be instructor in a school there is a line of hundreds(schools making money with that too. Instructor rating=10000€), towing gliders or other jobs its almost impossible to get. So if they can get a job in A320(even for 800€), they'll take it, do the hours and apply to a better company. Can you blame them? In Spain there are 5000 unemployed pilots....the time where being a pilot was good it's over. Now adapt to it. Dont expect the impossible to happen...

Coto; you are right about the market going downhill.
And that is also why we should be so extremely watchful about not loosing what we have in the first place.
This is a general problem, not only for CLX T&C.

And be careful not to relativize everything... pilots in Mali or North Korea make even less money; should we conform to their income as well?

CLX MXP
 

Where is the communication when comparing this to the recent D.M. saga?

No demonstration planned? No SMS with updates? No combative emails or posts on the forum? :confused:

"Disch isch unakscheptable u know!" :=

I am not an american and I was shouting very loud - as did more than 300 other CLX pilots.....

No worries... Things are kinda busy behind the scenes. Stay tuned.

I sincerely hope you're right! You know, sometimes we accuse the company of bad communication skills, but in this case the people working behind the scenes could also communicate a bit better to us.

We had a nice momentum going (excellent communication by emails and SMS and everybody sticking together) during the DM saga, let's continue that! :ok: