New recruits have following clause in their contract: they have to show a proof of residency (within 1 hour of LUX airport) latest 3 weeks after joining Cargolux.

...so that means no possibility to commute...
too bad! I have just taken my atpl and I was so close to apply...!!

do you really think this is legal under euopean law.... come on:ugh:
you just tell the big guys that you´ll move and have a mailbox during the first year until your trial period is over.... and then.....

Is that really true? I am speachless about that.
If you are hired now it´s a disadvantage against all the people they are allowed to commute.
If you decide for Cargolux you know that the job wont be easy, long trips and a long time away from your family and now they want you to move within the first three weeks. They want you to leave your whole social environment and to take your family with you, my wife have to quit her really good job and what if you fail your rating or if they fire you after your one year trial?
I can´t believe that, but in this case I think the only way is to remove my application - Cargolux seems not to be the good company I thought!

Hmm, doesn't take much to make you speechless...
I could imagine that Cargolux prefers to have its pilots to live close to Luxembourg to prevent the situation where people have a long tiring commute before the start of their duty.
A substantial number of people in Cargolux do commute but I have the impression most of them travel towards Luxembourg the day before their trip and stay in the Ibis or Etappe at walking distance from the office or have a shared apartment in the vicinity.
This way they can start their duty well rested.

Never said you will get a proof of residency from a hotel, just explaining what commuters often do.
The other option, sharing an apartment with some colleagues, could give you this proof of residency.
There are some colleagues renting out rooms for this purpose.

LBR, no problem to start duty well rested - but therefore is no adress neccesary within 1 hour of LUX.
As you already said: You can go to a hotel to sleep, but they don´t want that you guarantee that you are well rested, they want an adress! That means you have to move, and thats a negative factor!

@tophat
you prefer to spread your negativism instead of reading and understanding the comments of HURZ and LBR.
nobody forces you to join clx.
clx is not (good) for everybody.

RWY24C:
I think it is really negative to move after 3 weeks without any guarantee to pass your rating or that your contract is continued after your trial.
I think that´s a real big problem.
And if other have the right to commute it is not right to initiate a two-class society!

Some CV Pilots held a protest gathering at the Airport yesterday. Apparently 300 have signed a petition claiming the company are putting business before safety. This reported in the local media. Any CV drivers on here like to comment ?

Very fair point!

Just do what most do and what LBR & HURZ also stated: get a crash pad near LUX together with some colleagues to make it affordable and keep the company happy. You need something anyway for before and after a long haul flight. After the (excessively long IMHO) one year trial period you can always decide if you really want to move your family to LUX permanently.

Good luck!

work permit lux..
 

Hi girls and boys,
please can anyone confirm that you need to have an eu-passport to work in CV or is there any other way to bypass that (for us non eu)...???:ooh:

It`s a very hot topic at the moment and I don`t think, that anyone of
us likes to post a statement.
Read the lux newspaper for the latest development.

As for the EU passport requirement:
you can hold any passport as long as you have a JAR-FCL licence.


Mr.Nomads

job vacancy 2010/2011
 

Hi Folks.

Does anyone has informations how much F/Os will be imployed in the next month?

I got the information, that the first F/Os are going to start in March 2011; is that right?!

Pleasant weekend;)

4T

Good evening gentlemen,

may I kindly ask you to confirm you DO NOT need a EU passport or work permit to work in Cargolux. Only a JAR ATPL?

Also if it's possible to check because I would really appreciate
fresh info.

Thank you very much

Have a nice evening


BK

Hello everyone,

I am not 100% sure, but I think you DO need a european passport to work at Cargolux, or at least the right to live and work in Europe unrestricted.

I will try and find out for sure though, and put the answer up on here asap.

Pow-wow

Much appreciated.
Please check, if you have relevant authority to ask, is it enough to have a work permit of a EU country, Schengen also.

Regards


BK

Hello again everyone,

I spoke to the Human Resources Department and they said it needs to be a European passport now.

Pow-wow

Thanks a lot to Pow-Wow and Mr. Nomad for your effort, I just got an email from CV that they ˝can´t consider my application although i have all qualification and license required˝( in must be the non EU passport) ...to bad, i was realy in to it...,but i won´t give up, maybe I will get the EU pass soon in a year or two!!!

Pow-wow,

thanks a lot, appreciate your effort.



BK

Hm, when I started, there was definatelly no need for an european passport.
We still have lots of US, Canadians, South Africans and NZ working for us.
But that could have changed recently with increasing number of applications.
Pow-wow is more likely up-to-date as he has the infos first hand from HR.

Sorry guys not to have better news...

Cheers
Mr.Nomads

starting date
 

Hello forum people!
I would like to thank everyone in this beautiful thread for the information that has been shared so far about Cargolux, more precisely about the process of application (Saarlouis + Interview).

Especially I would like to mention loulou with his post #391 http://www.pprune.org/4776899-post391.html which is very close to that what happened to me in Saarlouis a couple of weeks ago, and I mean veeeeeery close :D

Anyone in here got a starting date in March 2011?

-blue skies

If it helps there is another A300 freight operation starting in Shajah soon. Think they are looking for qualified crews. Try [email protected]

Starting date March 2011 as well! :ok:

I'm starting on the 28th of February.. We'll probably meet in the office then!!

Hi there,

according to the interpersonal.de web, it says "According to the latest corporate planning there will be a small demand for pilots and only a limited number of vacant positions in the year 2010!"

Can anybody confirm if there is any recruiting going on and what sort of experience they are looking at.

Thanks in advance

Can someone provide examples of average time and experience for recent newhires? What is competitive nowadays in terms of flight hours?

Also, for people with airline backgrounds hired recently, which airlines are the most frequent sources of new Cargolux pilots? Luxair? Air Berlin? Ryanair?

Cheers

FYI
 

27yrs old, 3500+ hrs (2300 B737, 1000 turboprop).
Including a lot of non-standard experience in Africa, Central Asia.
Now flying 737 for Dutch charter company.

Quite a similar background as PH here, is people with narrowbody stand a chance or will they only look at people current on 744?

What are the trips like at Cargolux? What type of rosters? Cheers.

ATTC?
 

Hello all,

I'm about to apply for cargolux and I'm looking into the prepartion for the tests on day 1. This forum is wonderfully well documented, thank you all.
However, there's one thing I couldn't find, or maybe I looked right passed it. Is it worth investing money in a company like ATTC to prepare the tests? Did some of you prepare for those tests with a similar institution and if so, do you think it helped?

I thank you all for your reply and insight.
Wishing you all a Happy New Year!

WOO

Hello wiseoldowl,

Again, my test day is more than 3 years ago now, but I did not do any ATTC type preparations.

I dont know if their training is of any use for the Cargolux assesment ?
Lots of these companies say they prepare you for all sorts of airlines, but in the end I think they just do a standard logic/iq training course (if there is such a thing?!?)

I had a few "off-the-shelf" logic trainer books that you can readily get in most bookshops, but again, I dont think they made a huge difference either.

I have no idea if anyone else in Cargolux did the ATTC stuff ?

@Donkey Dude

Best way to describe it is, that there is no "standard" roster.

The previous discussions in this thread on rosters before are still current, and give a pretty fair estimation I would say (the good and the bad ).

hi, stay away from ATTC. it is crap. i know several people , who were there ,and every single one said, it was useless.

Never heard of ATTC... just reading this entire thread 20 times is preparation enough!

Thank you for your replies!

Hello everyone,
does anyone have a clue if there is a possibility to get a closer look to the "Cargolux Airlines Collective Work Agreement"?

Any idea what the salary for a 26yrs old single without kids would be?
No 747 rating. 3000hrs B737NG. What would the starting pay be in the first year?

Thank you all.

Best regards,
Frolic

Hi have a look at my post #242: http://www.pprune.org/3634135-post242.html
Except that basic salary for first year FOs has increased to 4515 due to the Lux. index increase. The system is that a "index 100" scale is published in the CWA, and every once in a while the number with which this basic index 100 scale is being multiplied increases. This is a Nationwide inflation adjustment of salaries.

Today, the index is at 719,84
Index 100 1st yr salary is 627,34
-> basic salary today as a jrFO is (719,84*627,34)/100= 4515EUR.

After 600 hrs on type you'll go to the FO scale, with the first Time Unit being 678,04 at index 100,
After having 600hrs on type and a total time of more than 3500hrs, you'll be in the srFO scale, with TU1 being 735,08

In practice, most new hirees will jump from the TU1 jrFO scale to the TU2 srFO scale since mostly you'll have 600hrs in your first year and most have >3000hrs once they're hired anyway, so after 1 year you'll have both 600hrs on type and the 3500 hrs.

So for now, your first year basic is 4515EUR, your second year basic 5455EUR.
Today: pension contribution is 8%, legal health insurance is 2,7% and a dependency insurance of 1,4%

Use these numbers for the steps I mentioned in post 252, and use this calculator:
https://saturn.etat.lu/cobar/baremePP.jsp Use "salarie mensuel" and "classe impot" 1/0 since you're single. If you're married, you'll select 2/0.
If the calculator doesn't work, look at the .pdf version of the scales (page 39 and onward..)
http://www.impotsdirects.public.lu/l...embre_2010.pdf

As further info, for special hours, an hourly rate is used. You'll find out your hourly rate by dividing your basic salary by 173.

Holiday supplement is 100% of the hourly rate
Sunday supplement is 70% of the hourly rate,
Vacation supplement is 40% of hourly rate,
Night supplement is 25% of the hourly rate.
These supplements are not taxed, but you'll have to pay the 12,1% pension/social cost over them.

For the first 3 supplements mentioned (Holiday, Sunday, Vacation), the minimum counted duty day is 8 hrs.
So if you have 1 day of vacation, you'll receive 8*40% your hourly rate.
Per year you'll receive 42 days of VAC, so that's already 42*8*40% your hourly rate you'll have in a year on top of your basic.
A duty of 5 hrs or for example a day of layover on a Sunday will get you 8*70% your hourly rate. 10hrs duty on a legal holiday will get you 10*100% of the hourly rate.

Roughly, the net you'll receive is at least as much as the basic gross number.
Don't forget the Per Diem either!

:uhoh: Horribly complicated, but it comes down to the point that the money is ok..

Haha, complicated it is but it doesn't take long to get used to the numbers!
Where in the CWA can I find the 20%/40% vacation supplement??

@ray_cosmic:
thank you very much for this detailed information. Now I have an better idea about the whole thing.
Thanks.

Hello there

Any stories flying around on newhires in the new year?