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Yes, I guess so.
Just wanted some of the unembellished info from those directly involved on the other side of the pond.
I keep remembering all the other union guys from the past and currently scheduled number of furloughs/downgrades (years worth) during the management/labor struggles that ended up on the street while non-union junior guys in far away lands got upgraded and never suffered over the years. I remember them very well while others forget. Considering what they were truly used for, AABO had a pretty good run of it if the rumors are true.
May serve as a warning to many that those great opportunities for being hired and upgraded immediately may be due to unsavory labor relations.
Just wanted some of the unembellished info from those directly involved on the other side of the pond.
I keep remembering all the other union guys from the past and currently scheduled number of furloughs/downgrades (years worth) during the management/labor struggles that ended up on the street while non-union junior guys in far away lands got upgraded and never suffered over the years. I remember them very well while others forget. Considering what they were truly used for, AABO had a pretty good run of it if the rumors are true.
May serve as a warning to many that those great opportunities for being hired and upgraded immediately may be due to unsavory labor relations.
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with all due respects
And I mean all due respects, as I've had the pleasure of working with the AACS guys. The silence is deafening, and while I sympathize with anyone that loses their job, I did. But there was a fair amount of gloating from the AACS guys on here sort of rubbing noses in the situation. Albeit may have been a defensive mode they fell into, perhaps feeling attacked. But let this serve as a reminder to all that the bickering and posturing from mainline and AACS is exactly the sort of tactic the 5Y execs loved. Perhaps no one saw it coming, but it did and let it remind all what levels management will stoop to.
I loved working at 5Y because the crewmembers were the best I've ever worked with. Many in the GCC were the best in their field as well, and it was a pleasure working with them as well. You'd be surprised how many people there actually care about what they do, how it affects others (namely the crews) and are just as sickened by the management style that we've had to deal with since Michael passed away. I feel for the mainline guys who have been slapped in the face, they made 5Y what it was, and what it could have been. I've also seen the hardwork of the AACS guys.
So it's not a pleasant thing for me to see so many affected. All I hope for is the guys that built Atlas get the respect and admiration for making 5Y such a powerhouse. And respect for the AACS guys who altough probably should never have been brought on board, did an excellent job and worked their asses off along side the mainline crewmembers. None of you are responsible for how management used you against each other, so less poinson on your words would be the right thing to do. If the roles were reversed each side would be doing exactly what they complain the other side has done, you know it.
I loved working at 5Y because the crewmembers were the best I've ever worked with. Many in the GCC were the best in their field as well, and it was a pleasure working with them as well. You'd be surprised how many people there actually care about what they do, how it affects others (namely the crews) and are just as sickened by the management style that we've had to deal with since Michael passed away. I feel for the mainline guys who have been slapped in the face, they made 5Y what it was, and what it could have been. I've also seen the hardwork of the AACS guys.
So it's not a pleasant thing for me to see so many affected. All I hope for is the guys that built Atlas get the respect and admiration for making 5Y such a powerhouse. And respect for the AACS guys who altough probably should never have been brought on board, did an excellent job and worked their asses off along side the mainline crewmembers. None of you are responsible for how management used you against each other, so less poinson on your words would be the right thing to do. If the roles were reversed each side would be doing exactly what they complain the other side has done, you know it.
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All endless bickering aside - I would simply like to know the facts of what is going on regarding AABO from someone who really knows. Mgmt. isn't saying anything & the rumor mill is like reading tea leaves. So if anyone with actual knowledge could shed a little light on this topic it would be greatly appreciated. I am really not interested in any rubbing of noses, pointing of fingers, gloating or any other ultimately pointless BS - I would just like to know what is going on. Might be a nice change - for once.
Cheers & best of luck to everyone
Cheers & best of luck to everyone
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I think if you wait a week or two, you'll have your answer. The letter to the AABO pilots was dated April 8th and there is a requirement to have a 30-day period to discuss options. Since it is now May 8th, but the weekend, I would expect an announcement sometime in the next business week. IMHO.
so long goodbye see ay later
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Was this effective today?
I too thought that most were good guys and consider many as friends. It was an unfortunate situation that brought them to Atlas and unfortunate for them that it ended as it did.
I wish them the best of luck.
I too thought that most were good guys and consider many as friends. It was an unfortunate situation that brought them to Atlas and unfortunate for them that it ended as it did.
I wish them the best of luck.
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"Is this a rumor or a fact"?
Lot's of talk, nothing official announced as of yet.
Story goes, 6/1 Stanstead base closed, 6/31 all AABO pilots terminated.
Again.... Story's only so far. No word from the Company or our new union.
And yes, most were really good guy's and I wish them the best.
"Is this a rumor or a fact"?
Lot's of talk, nothing official announced as of yet.
Story goes, 6/1 Stanstead base closed, 6/31 all AABO pilots terminated.
Again.... Story's only so far. No word from the Company or our new union.
And yes, most were really good guy's and I wish them the best.
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Thanks Fr8Dog,
I am one of the many on the F list, I would just like to know what and when, so that I can put a date on the availability line of my resume....
I have not flown with all of the AABO guys, the one that I have met have been super nice, they have thought me a lot and for that I am grateful, I can see both sides of the story.
I would just like to know, like everybody else, what is going on.
I am one of the many on the F list, I would just like to know what and when, so that I can put a date on the availability line of my resume....
I have not flown with all of the AABO guys, the one that I have met have been super nice, they have thought me a lot and for that I am grateful, I can see both sides of the story.
I would just like to know, like everybody else, what is going on.
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"What happens to the ground staff working for Atlas in STN if AABO is going/gone"??
Company is saying that the office is to remain open to support the maintenance staff in Dubai and Europe.
And on a good note: The Company is giving all of the AABO pilots fresh PC's before they leave so they are current, and may be able to find a new job.
Most of the AABO guy's have been an absolute pleasure to work with, and I wish them all the best.
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"What happens to the ground staff working for Atlas in STN if AABO is going/gone"??
Company is saying that the office is to remain open to support the maintenance staff in Dubai and Europe.
And on a good note: The Company is giving all of the AABO pilots fresh PC's before they leave so they are current, and may be able to find a new job.
Most of the AABO guy's have been an absolute pleasure to work with, and I wish them all the best.
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And on a good note: The Company is giving all of the AABO pilots fresh PC's before they leave so they are current, and may be able to find a new job.
I realize it is bad form and sour grapes of me to be this way, but I don't remember any concern from the AABO contingent when our guys were regularly furloughed and down graded while they enjoyed being employed and upgraded at the same time.
A large number of them realized what they joined up for. If not immediately, soon afterwards. The smart ones left as soon as they got enough qualifications and a job offer to move on. The others (42 remaining out of what had been about 175) could not get placement elsewhere or just thought the joyride was never going to end.
I think our "best wishes" would be better spent on those that are currently furloughed and downgraded at mainline (repeated many times over the years) vs those that tried to stay on the joy ride at AABO.
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And on a good note: The Company is giving all of the AABO pilots fresh PC's before they leave so they are current, and may be able to find a new job.
It would have been nice if the company had done that for the furloughed guys.
It would have been nice if the company had done that for the furloughed guys.
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Nity & Jetjock,
What you fail to admit here is that those guys answered an add for 74 drivers. It did not say pilots wanted to bust the union, or pilots wanted to take jobs away from Americans. These are people with families and bills to pay just like the rest of us. This is mis-placed anger on your parts. What did you expect them to do? Oh, now that I am at Atlas and flying the line I see that we were used as pawns to screw the mainline pilots, I guess we should quit and go find a job somewhere else. The Company and Cato are the ones that screwed us, and our own people that jumped seniority to get a captain’s seat out of order. Yes it would have been the right thing to give our guys that got furloughed a fresh PC as well. But as far as not wishing most of them well, I don’t agree. They had the same 10% Dick Heads over there as we do over here, sometimes I think our % is a little higher.
What you fail to admit here is that those guys answered an add for 74 drivers. It did not say pilots wanted to bust the union, or pilots wanted to take jobs away from Americans. These are people with families and bills to pay just like the rest of us. This is mis-placed anger on your parts. What did you expect them to do? Oh, now that I am at Atlas and flying the line I see that we were used as pawns to screw the mainline pilots, I guess we should quit and go find a job somewhere else. The Company and Cato are the ones that screwed us, and our own people that jumped seniority to get a captain’s seat out of order. Yes it would have been the right thing to give our guys that got furloughed a fresh PC as well. But as far as not wishing most of them well, I don’t agree. They had the same 10% Dick Heads over there as we do over here, sometimes I think our % is a little higher.
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There is no "mis-placed" anger here. I used no negative context in relation to the AABO guys. My previous post support that.
My beef is with the fact that the company dumped me and all the other furloughed guys out on the street non current. Many of us requested PC's and were told no. Why the double standard?
My beef is with the fact that the company dumped me and all the other furloughed guys out on the street non current. Many of us requested PC's and were told no. Why the double standard?
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"There is no "mis-placed" anger here. I used no negative context in relation to the AABO guys. My previous post support that.
My beef is with the fact that the company dumped me and all the other furloughed guys out on the street non current. Many of us requested PC's and were told no. Why the double standard"?
Jetjock,
Agreed and I apologize, I would be willing to bet it was part of the agreement with the AABO pilots between them and the Company. Trying to avoid another legal battle that AAWW never seems to win.
My beef is with the fact that the company dumped me and all the other furloughed guys out on the street non current. Many of us requested PC's and were told no. Why the double standard"?
Jetjock,
Agreed and I apologize, I would be willing to bet it was part of the agreement with the AABO pilots between them and the Company. Trying to avoid another legal battle that AAWW never seems to win.
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What did you expect them to do? Oh, now that I am at Atlas and flying the line I see that we were used as pawns to screw the mainline pilots, I guess we should quit and go find a job somewhere else.
Guess it was too hard for the remaining AABO guys to give up a good deal that was gained at only the cost of others or just could not get hired elsewhere.
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Nity, I know you, and you are much smarter than that. This is human nature we are talking about. These guys had a job that was paying their bills. Why would they up and go? It is not like there was tons of jobs out there even then.