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Old 15th Feb 2008, 12:22
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It's amazing how you, the Atlas crews, think that the company speaks for in their interests. Believe me, the company could care less. You are just a prostitute to them. As long as you just lay down and get screwed for money, they're happy.
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Old 15th Feb 2008, 16:13
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It's amazing how you, the Atlas crews, think that the company speaks for in their interests. Believe me, the company could care less. You are just a prostitute to them. As long as you just lay down and get screwed for money, they're happy.
...Um so let me see, the entire board of directors tells us to merge, the CEO says we are merging, the President of Atlas says we are merging, the president of Polar says we are merging, the VP of Ops of both companies says we are merging; indeed the whole DHL deal is predicated on merging (remember part of the Block Space Agreement is that DHL will have access to extra lift via the Atlas ACMI aircraft); every analyst on Wall Street thinks we are merging - in fact the ONLY person on the planet who doesn't think we are merging is Bobbrobin. Even the president of Bobbrobin's union directs him to begin the merger process and he is STILL (and you are) claiming we are not going to merge.

methinks that your wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead.
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Old 15th Feb 2008, 16:37
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Me thinks you better buy some industrial strength KY jelly. And if Polar does not prevail, they better too!
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Old 15th Feb 2008, 18:47
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Polar Air is not merging.
Atlas Air is not merging.
Only the crews are merging.
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Old 15th Feb 2008, 19:22
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Look, Polar has a pretty well thought out and firm scope clause. Do you actually believe that AAWH has the crews best interests in ignoring scope? No-o-o-o, they could care less. They want only to enrich their coffers. And if it means circumventing the CBA, they will do it. So they only want to merge the crews, h-m-m-m? And do you believe they are genuinely interested in the crews? Man are you naive. There is a saying "A company gets the union they deserve". That statement says it all. For good or bad the Polar MEC is asking for two things. 1. The company abides by the scope. If they want to merge anything, make sure it is within the scope. 2. The company must abide by the ruling, that they agreed, made last year in arbitration. On these two points the company is obviously capitulating. Why? If they truly want to merge only the crews, then why not follow the CBA as agreed to? Because it is not in their best interest. If AAWH agrees to merge within the scope, I am sure the Polar MEC will run to the bargaining table. So far the company has chosen not and we have status quo. And that is not good for anyone, except AAWH!
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Old 15th Feb 2008, 21:16
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We have had that scope discussion before and it hinges on the definition of "complete operational merger" so let me answer belowmins and you (again) at the same time.

Have you looked at the manuals on the Polar airplanes lately?
Have you called payroll or crew planning lately?
How about Hotels or Travel?
How about tech ops and maintenance?
How about training?
Sales? Every Ops office in every city served by either airline?

Virtually EVERY aspect of this company has been merged except the pilots. This IS a complete operational merger and in this case their scope clause is more against them than for the Polar crewmembers. Both companies have been merged for quite some time regardless of what Bobbrobin tell you.

Trashhauler, I don't believe you still work there but perhaps you would care to call Chris A. In Purchase and ask him. The companies are already merged. It is time to put this to bed and get on with the contract talks. I don't like it any more than the next guy but burying your head in the sand and wishing it were not so is just not going to make it go away.

It would actually be better for the Atlas crewmembers if the Polar guys keep on doing what they are doing as I doubt that AAWWH leadership will put their company, their business, or any deals with DP or DHL in jeopardy for 150 pilots.

This is NOT about scope - this is a pride issue that stems from the Polar negotiating chair telling the Atlas VP of OPs that he would "never wear an Atlas uniform."

For this we all suffer.

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Old 15th Feb 2008, 21:21
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What is a "well thought out scope close" when DHL will use your 6.5 airplanes and ACMI everything else to ATLAS? Your argument makes no sense but we will all have to wait for the arbitrator' decision.
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Old 16th Feb 2008, 02:26
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In Purchase and ask him. The companies are already merged. It is time to put this to bed !
First you have to do is, GET OUT OF MANAGEMENTS BED ! That bed must be full with, D.B.,J.C.,T.H.,K.M & J.Ca....


Polar negotiating chair telling the Atlas VP of OPs that he would "never wear an Atlas uniform."
Especially Eplets on the Leather Jacket. That makes everyone throw up.
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Old 16th Feb 2008, 03:11
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wow that's some productive discussion and debate there Rob! I do hope that you have some better banter than that. You are beginning to sound like Staphylococcus.
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Old 16th Feb 2008, 04:42
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I hear that all Polar Crewmembers sent Prater their ALPA Battle Star Pins. I don't blame them if Atleast got them by default.

Got to keep banter simple for you !
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Old 16th Feb 2008, 12:49
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Why stop at the pins? Send in their resignations too!
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Old 16th Feb 2008, 15:42
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Yep, you sound like a Bush Baby !
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Old 17th Feb 2008, 05:27
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Obviously off topic, as the last dozen or so posts.

The load breached a so called engineered container during rotation containing an oil rig drill bit that punctured not only the container, but the pressure vessel of the A/C.

Not quite like what your used to flying at Polar, sailboat fuel back and forth the Pacific.

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Old 17th Feb 2008, 14:03
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wow Lilly yet another helpful comment.

I have seen the pictures. In this case it was the shippers fault as the drill was not secured in the box itself. The crew did an awesome job getting the airplane back on the ground. True professionals.

I guess when you actually have cargo onboard these things will happen.
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Old 17th Feb 2008, 14:21
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"Ha ! Always happens at Atlas(Rookies)!"

I have read the posts on this site for months without posting, but this has to top it all. I have NEVER in my 37 years as a professional aviator seen or heard anyone as un-professional as you Mr. Lilly!

You should be ashamed of yourself. You must be a real joy in the cockpit to work with.

Time for the moderator to do something about this!
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Old 17th Feb 2008, 15:57
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"We have had that scope discussion before and it hinges on the definition of "complete operational merger". . . . Virtually EVERY aspect of this company has been merged except the pilots".

I suppose Whale, with regards to Polar's scope blockade, it can be argued that "complete" is not yet complete. What's to do with those stubborn Polar bad boys? . . . someday this will all be a long time ago.
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"We have had that scope discussion before and it hinges on the definition of "complete operational merger". . . . Virtually EVERY aspect of this company has been merged except the pilots".

I suppose Whale, with regards to Polar's scope blockade, it can be argued that "complete" is not yet complete. What's to do with those stubborn Polar bad boys? . . . someday this will all be a long time ago.
The merged list for the pilots IS complete. The only hold up is Polar. You have presented a circular argument. You are saying you will not continue because it is not a 'complete operational merger' because you (the pilots) have not merged yet? So you don't want to merge because you have not merged - this is your scope argument?

hmmm..


Hey Lilly how are things by the pool in Miami? Saw you out there yesterday.

Using a new name, WOW ! My reputation in the Airline Industry has be empeccable for over 40 years. And you ? In 37 years, you never learned to spell, or you went to the same schools as FR8.
So your reputation has be empeccable. I guess we went to the same school then. I usually don't criticize others for their spelling or grammar for just this reason.
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Old 17th Feb 2008, 16:14
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WhaleB8,

I haven't been to Miami in over 8 years. But, glad you saw me.
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Old 17th Feb 2008, 16:24
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hmmmm.... It must be hard to do a PC or PT at this completely merged company without going to the Atlas training center. Maybe you are sending your twin.

...it is impeccable.

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Old 17th Feb 2008, 20:44
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rob rilly

I don't know what is going on with Polar and Atlas but the comment you made " Ha ! Always happens at Atlas ! " is really something.

You shouldn't have said that if you are true professional pilot.
I do hope not every pilots with Polar are like you.

Curse is not the way to go in aviation world.

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