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411A:
I would doubt any regulatory agency would approve a 4,200 hour/no calender limit between C-Checks for the L-1011, without approval by Lockheed. Having worked in Lockheed product support for 20 years, where the approval would have to come from, I can assure you there is no way something like that would be approved. If fact like GotTheTShirt said only an experanced operator would get the extension from 12 to 15 months.
I would doubt any regulatory agency would approve a 4,200 hour/no calender limit between C-Checks for the L-1011, without approval by Lockheed. Having worked in Lockheed product support for 20 years, where the approval would have to come from, I can assure you there is no way something like that would be approved. If fact like GotTheTShirt said only an experanced operator would get the extension from 12 to 15 months.
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I would doubt any regulatory agency would approve a 4,200 hour/no calender limit between C-Checks for the L-1011, without approval by Lockheed.
The ex- British Airways L1011-200's that were converted by Marshals to freighters had such an approved maintenance program, and it is still in force today.
Additionally, several other operators also have this maintenance program in force now, and yes, I have seen the approval in writing, from the concerned regulatory authorities.
Specific authority from Lockheed is, in these instances, not required.
Lockheed have, more or less, washed their collective hands of the L1011, and quite frankly, no longer appear to be interested...even for an (excessive) fee.
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411A:
If Lockheed has washed there hands of the L-1011 why then did they just pay to move over a dozen people that work on the L-1011 program from Greenville, SC to Marietta, GA?
Marshall has the design authority for the L-1011 crago door conversion and for the RAF modifications. Lockheed still has the authority for the remainder of the aircraft.
If Lockheed has washed there hands of the L-1011 why then did they just pay to move over a dozen people that work on the L-1011 program from Greenville, SC to Marietta, GA?
Marshall has the design authority for the L-1011 crago door conversion and for the RAF modifications. Lockheed still has the authority for the remainder of the aircraft.
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411,
I was involved with the program that you refer to which was in fact approved for Kitty Hawk.
The program was approved on the basis that Kitty Hawk were then flying 3,500 hours per year and thus the program did not exceed the Lockheed recommendations. The program also stated that if the utilisation changed the program would be reviewed
I did in fact miss a word out in my prevoius it should have added the word
responsible regulatory authority.
Yes other people have used that program ( Copied word for word !!) but not in civilised countries.
I have been involved with 3 programs in Europe and none will exceed the Lockheed recomendation.
Isnt it funny that this wonderful program was not used by Delta or ATA who followed the Lockheed recomendation.
Please let us know the countries/operators that you claim are using this program - it would make interesting reading!
Of course I notice you did not mention the CPCP AD which still requires all the calender inspections. This is why responsible operators do not use the 4,200 hour progrm in that IF you follow the rules there is little to be gained
I was involved with the program that you refer to which was in fact approved for Kitty Hawk.
The program was approved on the basis that Kitty Hawk were then flying 3,500 hours per year and thus the program did not exceed the Lockheed recommendations. The program also stated that if the utilisation changed the program would be reviewed
I did in fact miss a word out in my prevoius it should have added the word
responsible regulatory authority.
Yes other people have used that program ( Copied word for word !!) but not in civilised countries.
I have been involved with 3 programs in Europe and none will exceed the Lockheed recomendation.
Isnt it funny that this wonderful program was not used by Delta or ATA who followed the Lockheed recomendation.
Please let us know the countries/operators that you claim are using this program - it would make interesting reading!
Of course I notice you did not mention the CPCP AD which still requires all the calender inspections. This is why responsible operators do not use the 4,200 hour progrm in that IF you follow the rules there is little to be gained
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Of course I notice you did not mention the CPCP AD which still requires all the calender inspections. This is why responsible operators do not use the 4,200 hour progrm in that IF you follow the rules there is little to be gained
In addition, if the aircraft is stored, it must be on an approved program for either active or in-active storge...simply parking it in the desert without due regard, doesn't work.
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May be the ones that Sabir a Bangladeshi bought from thaisky.
He is the Bangladeshi money man funding Skyeyes now.
But he has no experience in operating Tristars.
The skeyeyes owner keeps claiming poverty (Sunny) yet attracts new investors
until they figure out his B/S.
Thats why all his crew walked off a few months ago.
These 2 aircraft have the 522 engines on them.
Bad news in the Tristar world, engine A/D's are very expensive thats why most are grounded now.
Will be in BKK in a few days and can give better info.
He is the Bangladeshi money man funding Skyeyes now.
But he has no experience in operating Tristars.
The skeyeyes owner keeps claiming poverty (Sunny) yet attracts new investors
until they figure out his B/S.
Thats why all his crew walked off a few months ago.
These 2 aircraft have the 522 engines on them.
Bad news in the Tristar world, engine A/D's are very expensive thats why most are grounded now.
Will be in BKK in a few days and can give better info.
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Sorry guy's no new info on the 'New cargo outfit out of Cyprus'.
However some news from The Netherlands a.k.a. cloggyland.
Interstate Airlines has decided against operating any L1011's. The reasons given for this decision are: High fuel costs, age of the aircaft
and the price of the dollar.
Interesting thread this is. Good to see how the L1011 community keeps each other informed. The other 'professional' pilots on this forum could learn from this.
However some news from The Netherlands a.k.a. cloggyland.
Interstate Airlines has decided against operating any L1011's. The reasons given for this decision are: High fuel costs, age of the aircaft
and the price of the dollar. Interesting thread this is. Good to see how the L1011 community keeps each other informed. The other 'professional' pilots on this forum could learn from this.
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Fergineer,
If you are talking about Interstate Airlines than the answer is short and simple; No, they won't get any L1011's.
Which is better, because the owner can not be trusted. He conned several people that i know of.
If you are talking about Interstate Airlines than the answer is short and simple; No, they won't get any L1011's.
Which is better, because the owner can not be trusted. He conned several people that i know of.
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So are they going to get the aircraft or not? They have taken all mention of it from their website.
The problem Interstate had was credibility in Operations, Maintenance & Sales
There's no L1011 crews who would go work for them.
Their track record is well known just "Google" the principals!
Operating an L1011 is somewhat different to an ATR.
The problem Interstate had was credibility in Operations, Maintenance & Sales
There's no L1011 crews who would go work for them.
Their track record is well known just "Google" the principals!
Operating an L1011 is somewhat different to an ATR.
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It's probably the Belgian's L1011F that is parked in Fujairah
It was snatched back from SkyEyes then got stuck there as it needed a Thai crew to move it.
It was snatched back from SkyEyes then got stuck there as it needed a Thai crew to move it.
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So Sunnys Skyeyes airplane is impounded now?
Great news, he had it coming!
Wonder what his Bangladeshi investors are saying now?
Was a lot of talk about crews cutting a deal with the Lease holder and flying this aircraft out of Thai jurisdiction.
Since I heard he never paid the lease payments as stated on the lease agreement.
This guy owes a lot of crews quite a bit of unpaid salary.
Thai corruption backed him up in the courts I understand and took his side, saying he could only pay partial lease payments.
The crews are there, some with current Thai validations for this company.
This should be easy to find and ones that are more than willing to do this, just to see this Sunny go down for the last time, faster than A BKK hooker.
Great news, he had it coming!
Wonder what his Bangladeshi investors are saying now?
Was a lot of talk about crews cutting a deal with the Lease holder and flying this aircraft out of Thai jurisdiction.
Since I heard he never paid the lease payments as stated on the lease agreement.
This guy owes a lot of crews quite a bit of unpaid salary.
Thai corruption backed him up in the courts I understand and took his side, saying he could only pay partial lease payments.
The crews are there, some with current Thai validations for this company.
This should be easy to find and ones that are more than willing to do this, just to see this Sunny go down for the last time, faster than A BKK hooker.
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Bkk News
Sky eyes freighter is still here in BKK, has not moved since the Cambodian flight.
With the state of repair and the Egyptian ground engineers doubt it ever will move.
The old Tradewinds/Thaisky freighter has been bought and made ready for use by Sabir the Bangladeshi guy.
Said to be soon registered in Bangladesh operating freight out of BKK to China.
This Sabir guy does pay, but don't expect him to pay Sunnys past bad debts.
Any agreements made for crew should be made with Sabir and not Sunny at skyeyes.
Still a risk but think he is more reliable.
I hear this old Thaisky/Tradewinds freighter has nothing to do with Sunny at skyeyes.
The past crew pay issues was because of Sunny not Sabir I am told, but still proceed with caution until this guy proves his self and has a track record.
With the state of repair and the Egyptian ground engineers doubt it ever will move.
The old Tradewinds/Thaisky freighter has been bought and made ready for use by Sabir the Bangladeshi guy.
Said to be soon registered in Bangladesh operating freight out of BKK to China.
This Sabir guy does pay, but don't expect him to pay Sunnys past bad debts.
Any agreements made for crew should be made with Sabir and not Sunny at skyeyes.
Still a risk but think he is more reliable.
I hear this old Thaisky/Tradewinds freighter has nothing to do with Sunny at skyeyes.
The past crew pay issues was because of Sunny not Sabir I am told, but still proceed with caution until this guy proves his self and has a track record.
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Old 1012 to Stay Flying?
Happy to see that L-1011 S/N 1012 (formerly N311EA) will fly again. Saw it being built at Palmdale, worked on it at Eastern and at Tradewinds. Wonder though, who did the mandatory LP shaft displacement detector mod on the three engines? Hadn't heard anyone had done any on the 22B models. Having seen the result of a LP fan being released in the Nbr 2 position on a Tristar, its really a good idea.