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There is a difference between defending yourself and blaming others.
The Atlas side has had to defend itself not only from management, but it's sister union. If we didn't have to, I would have never showed up here or continued to defend the Atlas membership.
The Atlas side has had to defend itself not only from management, but it's sister union. If we didn't have to, I would have never showed up here or continued to defend the Atlas membership.
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Delete "Atlas", insert "Polar" and you describe my own motives...again, ironic.
I asked politely that the Bobb/Robin diatribe not begin again--but you began and continued it for what reason I do not know...I only suspect.
As I have stated, the rapid-fire series of arbitrations are taking place and will decide large issues...but these were/are not good enough--you and your MEC have attempted to interfere with that process often quoting the Company CONMAN you claim not to lie with in VARS messages, in EC resolutions, and yes...on pprune. A truly coordinated effort.
The record is clear who is the aggressor and who is the defender...and I feel distinctly defensive. We must have better things to do, but if we must engage in "trench warfare", engage I will.
This thing will go through to the end regardless of the belly-aching,posturing, and back-stabbing...And again, the Atlas pilots have their own leadership to blame for their lot...not Bobb, not Robin, not Bob Fell.
See ya on Monday for the artillery barrage and gas attack.
Delete "Atlas", insert "Polar" and you describe my own motives...again, ironic.
I asked politely that the Bobb/Robin diatribe not begin again--but you began and continued it for what reason I do not know...I only suspect.
As I have stated, the rapid-fire series of arbitrations are taking place and will decide large issues...but these were/are not good enough--you and your MEC have attempted to interfere with that process often quoting the Company CONMAN you claim not to lie with in VARS messages, in EC resolutions, and yes...on pprune. A truly coordinated effort.
The record is clear who is the aggressor and who is the defender...and I feel distinctly defensive. We must have better things to do, but if we must engage in "trench warfare", engage I will.
This thing will go through to the end regardless of the belly-aching,posturing, and back-stabbing...And again, the Atlas pilots have their own leadership to blame for their lot...not Bobb, not Robin, not Bob Fell.
See ya on Monday for the artillery barrage and gas attack.
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I have to agree with you on one of your points.
For the most part, you been completely on the defensive in your arguments, accusations, and assertions. Nothing to back up what you say and usually juvenile one liners in retort.
As to the arbitrations, I will be more than glad to publish the good or bad as I have in the past for the benefit of the Polar and Atlas group when I can get info. Mostly for the benefit of the Polar group. The Atlas membership gets this stuff released as a normal course of union communications when it wouldn't benefit management during negotiations. I can't say the same for the Polar side on it's communications.
For the most part, you been completely on the defensive in your arguments, accusations, and assertions. Nothing to back up what you say and usually juvenile one liners in retort.
As to the arbitrations, I will be more than glad to publish the good or bad as I have in the past for the benefit of the Polar and Atlas group when I can get info. Mostly for the benefit of the Polar group. The Atlas membership gets this stuff released as a normal course of union communications when it wouldn't benefit management during negotiations. I can't say the same for the Polar side on it's communications.
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And the Polar pilots Thank You...
You've been less than successful in your assignment to undermine the Polar MEC. The more you state how informed and satisfied your group is with their leadership, the weaker you look. Both sides know the reality, and both sides know the Atlas leadership is actively working to undermine the Polar Crewmembers and mask their own ineffectiveness. So what.
Merc, I am not going to debate you on whose fault anything is or the terrible effect you and your leadership have on Polar Crewmembers, ALPA, and professional aviators everyday--because it just doesn't matter anymore. We will defend and move on if we possibly can, and the Atlas Crewmembers are welcome to the leadership that they eagerly follow. Our debate will change nothing, and my insights and disclosures would only be interpreted as sour grapes. Afterall, I am not trying to convince Atlas Crewmembers of anything. Wish 'em luck in future endeavors...
Having just completed a Crewmember Survey on the 29th, I am confident the Polar Crewmembers are quite well informed and indicate the direction they would like to follow. I sincerely hope their rights are upheld and they have the opportunity to follow that path. And it should be a relief to the Atlas pilots that the path is a solitary one. But then you know that.
Juvenile one-liners? Ahhhh, you fail to appreciate my youthful exhuberance and sage wisdom...a shame.
You've been less than successful in your assignment to undermine the Polar MEC. The more you state how informed and satisfied your group is with their leadership, the weaker you look. Both sides know the reality, and both sides know the Atlas leadership is actively working to undermine the Polar Crewmembers and mask their own ineffectiveness. So what.
Merc, I am not going to debate you on whose fault anything is or the terrible effect you and your leadership have on Polar Crewmembers, ALPA, and professional aviators everyday--because it just doesn't matter anymore. We will defend and move on if we possibly can, and the Atlas Crewmembers are welcome to the leadership that they eagerly follow. Our debate will change nothing, and my insights and disclosures would only be interpreted as sour grapes. Afterall, I am not trying to convince Atlas Crewmembers of anything. Wish 'em luck in future endeavors...
Having just completed a Crewmember Survey on the 29th, I am confident the Polar Crewmembers are quite well informed and indicate the direction they would like to follow. I sincerely hope their rights are upheld and they have the opportunity to follow that path. And it should be a relief to the Atlas pilots that the path is a solitary one. But then you know that.
Juvenile one-liners? Ahhhh, you fail to appreciate my youthful exhuberance and sage wisdom...a shame.
