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UPS replacement pilots
There is a RUMOR going around here in the U.S. that a company is recruiting United-furloughees to replace UPS pilots in case of a strike.
Has anybody heard anything about this?
Thanks,
big 8
Has anybody heard anything about this?
Thanks,
big 8
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...I was wondering if the subject of USA /EU 5th freedom / Star Air has come up or are UPS Pilots ready to surrender " their " flying to Maersk ? I wish you folks all the best , you can set the benchmark for the industry if you can hold out...
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I do believe you are quite correct, DC-FR8DOG, new replacement pilots are being recruited...very quitely.
Seems reasonable to me.
Someone has to whip those malcontent UPS guys into shape.
After all, some (many) of the UAL guys might well not have jobs for quite some time.
Supply and demand at work.
Seems reasonable to me.
Someone has to whip those malcontent UPS guys into shape.
After all, some (many) of the UAL guys might well not have jobs for quite some time.
Supply and demand at work.
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I hope you win your battle in the States, but on the other hand its time for UPS to stop flying the N reg. Aircraft in Europe and let Maersk do the job !!
Cant imagine that y'all would let my company fly inside the States!
Its time for the European pilots unions and goverments to stand up and fight for our jobs!
Neil
Cant imagine that y'all would let my company fly inside the States!
Its time for the European pilots unions and goverments to stand up and fight for our jobs!
Neil
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The International Brotherhood of Teamsters continues to show its support for the IPA as negotiations continue with UPS. Next month, Teamsters General President James Hoffa will attend an IBT/IPA Unity Rally in Louisville. The announcement comes just a week after IBT Local 89 overwhelmingly approved a resolution in support of the IPA as it seeks a new collective bargaining agreement. All IPA members are invited to attend the July 13 event, beginning at 1 p.m. at the IBT Local 89 building, 3813 Taylor Blvd.
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"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire,
he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab."
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Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army."
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411A wrote:
"I do believe you are quite correct, DC-FR8DOG, new replacement pilots are being recruited...very quitely."
Care to elaborate about that, 411A? I am very curious about your findings.
"I do believe you are quite correct, DC-FR8DOG, new replacement pilots are being recruited...very quitely."
Care to elaborate about that, 411A? I am very curious about your findings.
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Cant imagine that y'all would let my company fly inside the States!
Its time for the European pilots unions and goverments to stand up and fight for our jobs!
Neil
Its time for the European pilots unions and goverments to stand up and fight for our jobs!
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Instead of arguments between different countries pilots should be sticking together concerning the Terms and Conditions, effects everyone, everwhere.
As far as the EU problem just wait till Turkey comes on board.
Then all of us can complain about other countries taking our jobs.
EU needs to show some leadership here dusk2dawn.
Problems are the same on both sides of the pond, we are in the same boat.
Time we all started working toward the same goal.
At least in this respect their are very little differences between us.
As far as the EU problem just wait till Turkey comes on board.
Then all of us can complain about other countries taking our jobs.
EU needs to show some leadership here dusk2dawn.
Problems are the same on both sides of the pond, we are in the same boat.
Time we all started working toward the same goal.
At least in this respect their are very little differences between us.
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i have been trying to confirm that replacement workers are being recruited. to this point, much speculation and some confirmed info. but not enough to state as fact (yet).
it is interesting to read here-i may have the wrong impression but it seems there are many that will be more than happy to fly struck goods and cross picket lines.
if i am getting the correct impression--it is a sad state my friends.
fbt
it is interesting to read here-i may have the wrong impression but it seems there are many that will be more than happy to fly struck goods and cross picket lines.
if i am getting the correct impression--it is a sad state my friends.
fbt
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The last time you guys had a work stoppage my group respected it and did not fly any UPS goods. Several others flew off the UPS ramp in SDF and some of them were ALPA carriers. There have not been any repercussions for those who did fly UPS goods, i.e., jumpseats, etc. I’m not so sure that being represented by an in house union garners the same support from other unions and considering the state of the U.S. industry I think you guys would lose if you left the cockpit. My group is facing the same problem and we have to decide if the company is willing to face disruptions in service to hire replacements. My bet is they would. UPS has more to lose and may not. Then again, they just might pull the trigger. Care to bet your job?
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this discussion brings up many points.
it is my sincere hope that ups and the ipa can come to an honest middle ground.
there have been rumors tossed around about what the company is presenting in terms of the main articles. if the rumors are true it is disturbing to discover how little your employer values your proven safety, reliablity and professional record.
folks-if this results in a strike there will have to be decisions made. lets's hope we each make the right decisions.
fbt
it is my sincere hope that ups and the ipa can come to an honest middle ground.
there have been rumors tossed around about what the company is presenting in terms of the main articles. if the rumors are true it is disturbing to discover how little your employer values your proven safety, reliablity and professional record.
folks-if this results in a strike there will have to be decisions made. lets's hope we each make the right decisions.
fbt
fbt,
Do you realistically expect the UPS pilots to strike in any event in today's airline environment ?
It makes no difference what management decides to do...their behavior is rather predictable. The question is whether the pilots would actually walk...not just beat their chests and threaten to walk. In today's world, I bet management would be willing to call that bluff.
Do you realistically expect the UPS pilots to strike in any event in today's airline environment ?
It makes no difference what management decides to do...their behavior is rather predictable. The question is whether the pilots would actually walk...not just beat their chests and threaten to walk. In today's world, I bet management would be willing to call that bluff.
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Underwhelming!
NMB Puts UPS/IPA in Indefinite Recess
IPA Calls on UPS to Make it?s Last, Best and Final Contract Offer
IPA Leadership Seeks Final Authorization for Strike, Release
Thursday, June 23, 2005, (Washington, DC) ? After 32-months in negotiations the Independent Pilots Association calls on UPS to make its last best and final offer on a new pilot contract.
?We are going to give UPS until the end of the month to pull together its last, best and final contract offer? said Capt. Tom Nicholson, President of the IPA. ?If UPS cannot, or will not, give us its last, best and final offer for our pilots to vote on the IPA will pull together its highlights of UPS?s final offers on the five open articles and send that out to our pilots for a vote.?
A year after jointly requesting federal mediation, IPA and UPS have closed none of the five major articles that were open when the request was made. Those contract articles include Scope, Scheduling, Pension, Compensation and Health Benefits.
?These talks are in a logjam, we need for our pilots to weigh-in with a vote to let UPS know that what they?re offering won?t fly with our crewmembers,? said Capt. Nicholson. ?In addition to voting on UPS?s final offer we will also be asking our pilots to give IPA leadership the final authorization to call a strike and request release from federal mediation.
While the IPA cannot go into detail about UPS?s final positions on the open articles before they share them with their crewmembers Capt. Nicholson had the following to say about UPS?s final position on each of the open major articles.
? Scope: ?The last offer that the company put on the table would allow for outsourcing of American jobs to third-world carriers with questionable safety and customer reliability records.?
? Scheduling: ?UPS has pulled the rug out from our negotiators who have diligently worked through otherwise productive scheduling discussions. The company has refused to provide industry standard rest facilities for crewmembers flying some of the most challenging schedules across multiple time zones worldwide at all times of the day and night. ?
? Pension: ?It?s about securing our pension and not allowing what happened to the employees at United Airlines or Enron to happen here. It?s also about achieving parity with the pensions with our counterparts at FedEx.?
? Compensation: ?UPS?s final offer that is minimal at best and a pay cut for a substantial percentage of our members.?
? Healthcare: ?UPS?s final offer would increase our monthly out-of ?pocket payments by more than 1,000%.?
The vote on UPS current contract offer and final strike authorization is expected in mid-August.
NMB Puts UPS/IPA in Indefinite Recess
IPA Calls on UPS to Make it?s Last, Best and Final Contract Offer
IPA Leadership Seeks Final Authorization for Strike, Release
Thursday, June 23, 2005, (Washington, DC) ? After 32-months in negotiations the Independent Pilots Association calls on UPS to make its last best and final offer on a new pilot contract.
?We are going to give UPS until the end of the month to pull together its last, best and final contract offer? said Capt. Tom Nicholson, President of the IPA. ?If UPS cannot, or will not, give us its last, best and final offer for our pilots to vote on the IPA will pull together its highlights of UPS?s final offers on the five open articles and send that out to our pilots for a vote.?
A year after jointly requesting federal mediation, IPA and UPS have closed none of the five major articles that were open when the request was made. Those contract articles include Scope, Scheduling, Pension, Compensation and Health Benefits.
?These talks are in a logjam, we need for our pilots to weigh-in with a vote to let UPS know that what they?re offering won?t fly with our crewmembers,? said Capt. Nicholson. ?In addition to voting on UPS?s final offer we will also be asking our pilots to give IPA leadership the final authorization to call a strike and request release from federal mediation.
While the IPA cannot go into detail about UPS?s final positions on the open articles before they share them with their crewmembers Capt. Nicholson had the following to say about UPS?s final position on each of the open major articles.
? Scope: ?The last offer that the company put on the table would allow for outsourcing of American jobs to third-world carriers with questionable safety and customer reliability records.?
? Scheduling: ?UPS has pulled the rug out from our negotiators who have diligently worked through otherwise productive scheduling discussions. The company has refused to provide industry standard rest facilities for crewmembers flying some of the most challenging schedules across multiple time zones worldwide at all times of the day and night. ?
? Pension: ?It?s about securing our pension and not allowing what happened to the employees at United Airlines or Enron to happen here. It?s also about achieving parity with the pensions with our counterparts at FedEx.?
? Compensation: ?UPS?s final offer that is minimal at best and a pay cut for a substantial percentage of our members.?
? Healthcare: ?UPS?s final offer would increase our monthly out-of ?pocket payments by more than 1,000%.?
The vote on UPS current contract offer and final strike authorization is expected in mid-August.
