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Old 30th Oct 2003, 06:28
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BAC Express redundancies

Did hear a rumour that most of the pilots will be laid off!!
Can anybody on the inside tell me or this is true (or even better tell me it's not)

Good luck to everybody

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Yes, I have heard the same rumour from a number of sources... as to the number who are "free to leave" I don`t know - suffice to say it`s a very high percentage...

It`s very, very sad - the crews and engineers are a wonderful bunch of people - I had the pleasure and privilege of working with them for many years.

I wish them well - maybe an annual BAC reunion at
The Fitzwilliam would not be amiss - once things have settled and everyone is gainfully employed...
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Yes, they have been given notice as to when their Royal Mail contracts will end and are making most if not all of their UK based shed pilots redundant.

Sad news but hardly unexpected.
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Not good news at all, but there must surely be recruitment in the immediate future for the aircraft that will replace the sheds et al in the new year (though in far fewer numbers since I understand 38 movements are being reduced to around ten!).

Its not a big industry. If you do your homework you could strike lucky.

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There must be some news out there?
What is hapening with the European routes and there pilots? are they looking at years in the company (last in first out) for the redundancies?

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Hi folks! Anybody know if the F27 people are under threat too?
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Immelman,

Not in this batch, but who know's about next year.......
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I can confirm that at least 16 pilots given notice to quit in mid Jan 2004, as has been said not unexpected but still quite a shock as everyone hoped the P.O would change their minds and kepp as is.
The european ops remain as is for now and may expand as I understand , so the company is far from down and out, just the guys and gals that make the shed fly.
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One senior manager was saying that the European operations would finish next year as well since BAC won't be getting ATR's for Fedex.
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From what I've heard, there is a severe shortage of cash to go round. Seems that MF is putting a restructuring plan into place that will mean more lay offs and not just with the pilot work force. Why not let go of all the good people MF and keep the rotten eggs? Oh, but then that's happening already isn't it ? Another shot in the back for the loyal ones
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Gave the Norwich Shed FO some load and trim sheets. I wonder what the boss is going to say when he sees "Emerald" on them?

I really hope the crews are looked after and they get another job soon. Good luck.
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Ha ha, the only people BAC managment look after are themselves!

Very generous with the redundancy pay though - £260 per year of service!
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Well, the redundancy payment does sound a little thin...

Those who have been loyal to the family have, it appears, drawn the shortest straw...

There is of course the possibility that the Post Office have not been entirely "up front" with BAC - until the very LAST minute of course...

I feel that criticism of the MD may be totally unfounded - a far more legitimate area to consider would be Uday (Flying
" A to B" is the easy bit...) and various senior Board personnel who are thoughtless at best - or a combination of arrogance, dysfunctional management skills and an amazing resolve to show no grace whatsoever.

GOOD LUCK to the professional pilots and engineers at BAC EXPRESS..!
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BAC look after there staff that is a joke... Most of the good pilots all left this summer as MF just wants to look out for Number 1 and JS is ready to put the blame on anyone else apart from himself..
Good luck to all the Shed boys in getting into a proper airline
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While I was employed, MF/SF managed to get thru more staff
than mail carried on the sheds...Poor management from the top down.....only one result unfortunately....

so sorry for the shed guys and engineers

can't beat working for a good boss..so next time may be you will find one...
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Thing is, can they survive on just FEDEX work and what happens when they mess that up? Very poor management with the BAC walls, it was only a matter of time before it all went wrong !
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Thumbs down

Was a great Company to work for some years ago.
but things where changing for the worst even before i left.
Good luck to everybody involved.

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Devil

Sorry guys, but Loyality and BAC dont fit into the same sentance.
Interesting to hear the comments on the management.
JS is one individual that I have never heard a good word about, both from those who work for BAC and his customers!
MF, well.............
Best of luck guys, hope it all pans out for you, at least wherever you end up it cant be worse than where you are now!
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Sky Rabbit - do you read ?
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can't beat working for a good boss..so next time may be you will find one...
I agree 100%.....maybe next time....
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