keep up the excellant work?

Nuff said.

Quote:
Must be a pilat :ok:

Hey, some of us pilots can speel

I Like de "walcum hom" that we get from a certain ATCer !

(ps speil chk nawt werkin)

We shouldn't throw stones at people with accents five green. I mean everyday I have to put up with overly polite canadians who I can't understand or be saracastic with. Bloody yarpies who get the sarcasm but keep saying 'is it' when I already told them 'it was' and then those terrible accents from some little island to the west of france...they are the worst!

Or those funny people from those two small islands to the east of Australia who slur their “I’s”.:uhoh: :eek: :ouch:

The ones that eat fush?

Thats the ones....god they must get confused in that scene in the sound of music which starts "doe, a deer, a female deer" etc etc
Or as my yarpie friends would say...."shame shame shame, its tearable dat der axcents are so unreedabull, isn't it?"

Yaaaa !!!!!

Cripes!
 

Holy crap! After having read through all the posts on this thread I really feel for you guys working HK ATC now, not to mention quite disenchanted as I too had considered eventually trying my luck applying for a job there some time in the future!

Reading this thread I have pretty much ruled that out now! I have been working ATC in Vienna TMA for the past six years and thought we were going through tough times here regarding staff shortage, incompetent management, and generally low morale! At least here we have the advantage of a strong union and the fact that management is !!!!ting their pants at the thought of an ATCOs' rebellion of some sort. Hell, I figure I could probably walk into my boss' office and pee on his desk, he'd smile and say thank you! :}

No overtime pay, no yearly increase in pay, hardly any leave, and at the same time having to deal with all that mainland imposed bureaucracy? You gotta be kidding me! (I know you are not!) That would drive any professional totally bonkers over time! Especially as air traffic growth is going up and up consistently!

Seriously, I wish you guys all the best there! Talking about greener pastures...Could anyone of you be kind enough to enlighten me where in Asia expat ATCOs are hired or even sought-after? I've been having a bit of a hard time researching this online so far? How 'bout Singapore and KL?

(Damn...I just noticed how old is thread actually is! I found it via google and didn't check the dates! Sorry for that!)

Crickey Numero Chrunchero! How ‘ya goin' Mate? Don’t be a drongo this arvo!

I love the irony of Aussies “avinago” at other accents . At least the language we Canadians, Brits, Kiwis (and, yes , even Americans) speak is English!!

http://www.aussieslang.com/

And by the way, the letter after G in the alphabet is H, not HAytch…
:)

And Oregano is a herb, not an erb, fanny is not an ass, aluminium is not aluminum, solder is not sodder, etc.ect.:)

Taekyon2.....try Africa! :}

"welcome back"
 

After 15 hours droning back from LA, a pretty voice saying "welcome back" is fantastic... long may it continue...............:D

The one who said this is the most disguisting tower-rated ONLY gweilo in HK ATC.....many local hates him! center we have loudspeaker, tower we have another louder speaker, what a place here is!

VSD
You mean the one who miss out on radar training??? I thought he has a Chinese girlfriend???:uhoh:

Taekyon,
I can't think of anywhere in Asia that is hiring Gweilos.Singapore and Malaysia seem to manage themselves.HK isn't hiring expats because of it's localisation policy.Do they need to? Well that's a long debate.
As you can see from this thread,a strong union is worth staying with.HK has an ''Association'' but is very IFATCA minded,with no teeth at all.If you go to the Middle East,then there is B:mad:gger all back up there.
I'm sure if HK advertised again then there would be a stampede of Aussies.Is it worth upping sticks,travelling half way round the world.Well there are good points,but you can't expect the same when abroad.I wouldn't recommend pissing on their desks there.Although some have tried.:rolleyes:

LapSap.
I wish I knew what the hell you were trying to say! How did you do in your English Language Proficiency Test ?:eek:

CC NDB,
I'm surprised at what you posted.If this is true,then the OJTI should get her out of there.If she had shouted at a pilot,then the OJTI should immediately take over.As for calling her those terms,then you could well get sacked instantly for that in Nats.
The HK CAD treated their local trainees appallingly.They brain washed any form of independant flexible thought out of them,and then slate them for not being flexible.:ugh:The supervisors barked at them in Cantonese,and they all just went and hid.
Prima Donna controllers.Well every place has their Mr Angry.I found that there was no standard phraseology in HK whatsoever.People who used their standard phraseology,but had to constantly repeat,because the pilots were not up to speed.They were often percieved as grumpy.
Well I returned to Greener pastures,and the air is clean.Life is affordable.People don't constantly barge into you.They let you off trains first.I can play on 40 golf courses within 1 hour.There is no Hello Kitty.:eek:
I can strongly recommend the greener pastures.CLK will be well in the Fragrant Harbour brown stuff if everyone left.Great idea.:D

38Controller.
I wish I knew what the hell you were trying to say! How did you do in your English Language Proficiency Test ?:eek:

CC NDB
You sound like a pretty nasty bit of work coming out with descriptions of your young colleagues like that.
I have every sympathy for APP trainees at the moment who are thrown in the deep end for their first radar rating, struggling with inadequate training resources, total lack of standardization all around them, several arrogant gweilos who ought to know better (or maybe not, which is why some are here in the first place), constant changes to their roster from unrelated Ops to training due to a piss-poor Civil Service attitude to sickness relief, Supervisory staff who wouldn't know if their ar$e was on fire and outdated procedures written by people who last worked traffic when Kai Tak was running 8-10 miles spacing and still think thats "tight".
None of this excuses her for her actions (if reported correctly) but then again no action was taken to the previous "unplugged" event, was it? :=

CCNDB and 38 controller,
Why are you discussing a trainee on an open forum? I saw some right old ropey things going on out there,but this takes the biscuit.If you two are so high and mighty,then why is your English so bad? Have you ever heard of the expression ''Lived by the sword,Died by the sword''. I suggest you remember it quick.ATC is a very,very small world,and people have long memories.:*

I see the heat in the kitchen has become too much for 38Controller and CC NDB. Speaking of which - how's our staff canteen going? Rumour has it, there are no takers to run it after the current contract runs out. Looks like we're stuck in the middle with no place to go and a bus timetable designed around office workers cushy hours.:yuk:

Congratulations to my colleage who got checked out on APP this week but must be a big worry for management that after 1 whole year only ONE trainee get rated so far! Yes ONE!
Hang on - we just lost one APP controller who retire recently, so where are we now :confused:.
Where is the problem lie? Selection? Training officer? No standard?
Will the next 1 get checked out just in time for next retirement?!:eek:
New ATCX??? Think they should forget it!!!

With that kind of standard, i'm surprised only one got checked out.:eek:

http://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/pr/pr_906.html

And for that, we've netted a piddling 4.95% pay increase over the past 10 years.:yuk::mad:

Sorry to resurrect this thread after so many years but I guess things must have improved as it's gone so quiet. I must admit I enjoyed reading most of the posts as I think a lot was learned or by being aired led to a greater understanding of problems on all sides.

How's the new centre coming along?

Any Gweilos left? That's to say gone, er, no I mean remaining. :rolleyes:

On the beach :ok:

... or more likely -- they have all been bribed or beaten into submission !!!!

On the beach, they implemented new STARs and SIDs recently, in my ( and most of the work colleagues I speak to ) experiences, we have never been stuffed around so much, especially coming through Sierra.
The " new improved " shortened STARs looked good on paper but are rarely used ( normally significant vectoring to add track miles ) and now coming through DOTMI is worse too eg : heading SSW from DOTMI, ridiculous speed reductions ( 180IAS @ 30tr miles ), and even holding on days when the weather is fine.
This is the norm, it is very unusual to not get speed restrictions or extra trk miles.
It sucks :yuk:

fooey, you must be new. heading SSW thru DOTMI has been standard stuff since the 90's, depending on time of day, and DOTMI arrivals have changed little since WW1... SIERA arrivals will always be a compromise because of the convoluted, unchangeable airspace design. Perhaps you could understand that the good folk in CAD who design and control these procedures do so TRYing to strike a balance between many extreme variables, many of which you have no idea about. Put simply, it aint easy. :uhoh:

Unfortunately flight plan fuel is based on the published STAR's, which are now very, very optimistic at certain times of the day. :*

McDude, thanks for backing me up, sometimes the controlling here is as bad as the 90s, that is, no improvement in 20 years.
Heading away from the airport ( sorry, that should have been SSE from DOTMI )at cruise speed is stupid and a waste of fuel, why can't we be given a " time over DOTMI " for example, or why can't we reduce spped whilst heading AWAY from the airport, thats airspace issues is it ?

Also passing abeam the threshold at FL190 with 100 odd track miles to run is ridiculous and a waste of fuel, and then someone 200nm east lands before you, this is not normal.

HKF, I don't understand. What's wrong with heading SSW after DOTMI? DOTMI - MAGOG is SSW, right? Would you rather have heading SSE?!!!
East sector radar controllers have to integrate DOTMI traffic with the ELATO traffic into one sequence. Therefore a little turn to the left from DOTMI is sometimes inevitable. I admit some controllers would excessively vector aircraft to acheive the spacing when speed control is more appropriate. On the othe hand, there are situations where vectoring is the best tool. Bear in mind that the East sector arrival airspace is very narrow. This is the reason why several turns are necessary.

J68, don't you carry holding fuel? isn't it mandatory?

Careless

There is some fuel carried but he just has to use his Commander's discretion and load what he needs, conditions for the day, you do not need to follow the CFP every time!

Listen ATC boys and girls, I wouldn't take too much notice of that fooey guy, he's a renowned bleater and hater of everything that we do. Just ignore him. "On the Beach", do that, go to the beach!

Bedder,

I did but the bloody Germans got here before me!

On the beach, again, now I've thrown some of their towels in the sea!! :ok:

Don't normally pay much attention to the trivia and Nif Naf on this site but can't help myself on this one.... HKF....you are either completely delusional or just a wind-up, but in 14 years flying into HKG I have NEVER seen any holding when the WX was fine, and almost ALWAYS will get track shortening on the Siera arrivals when traffic permits, so crawl back into your hole, and come out when you have something constructive ( and accurate ) to say!

G'day,

Geez is this hongkongphooey guy for real? First he dont know his SSW from his SSE. Blimey hope he's not up the pointy end next time me and the missis go back to Oz. Spose if hes comin through DOTMI he must be one of them reejunal jockeys, ever likely he cant tell is arse from is elbow.

Try tomorrow fer starters, and ask them blokes north of DOTMI, why dont yer?

Your tellin me mate. See them levers between youse and the boss ever thought of seein what happens when you pull them back? Doh.

Strewth I'm speechless which is saying somethin.

See yaz, Argus

You people complaining about the manners or standards of the ATC at HKG haven't been to JFK. Let me tell you, those JFK folks are real nasty son of bitches. I will punch them in the face if I ever encountered them in real life. Compared to them, HKG are the most professional and courteous ATC folks I have encountered.

Some of you guys are just plain embarassing.

bekolblock
 

What are you trying to say?

Are you saying HKatc is no good?

HKFoolery

Give JFK a chance!
They have improved a lot since they put those aged 10 and under
in control