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600ft-lb 15th Oct 2013 04:23


So it would be ok for CX to form a startup airline called Cathay Australia and fly domestically in Australia?
Tiger did.

Virgin did.

Air Asia has expressed intention to do so.

So more then likely, yeah.

Freehills 15th Oct 2013 04:33

Yes, what would not be OK is for Cathay Australia to have international flights...

Sue Ridgepipe 18th Oct 2013 02:01

Different industries and regulations I know, but I couldn't help thinking about the similarities after reading about Hong Kong Television Network laying off 320 staff after their failed bid for a free-to-air TV license, which instead were awarded to i-Cable and PCCW.

A couple of quotes from yesterday's Standard really stand out....

Many of my staff joined me and my company and gave up their jobs even though I had not been issued a license.
and this one....

Beyond the industry, Civic Party lawmaker Ronny Tong Ka-wah said the license decision "projected a feeling that the government is protecting an operator who monopolizes the market".
For the sake of those folk who have given up other jobs to join crapstar, I hope you have more success than the unfortunate HKTN workers.

404 Titan 18th Oct 2013 04:24

Strewth

You continue to bend the facts to suite your argument. The reality is that the HK regulator will be looking at the owners of Jetstar HK’s Primary Place of Business when considering the application, not Jetstar HK itself. The facts are 66.6% of Jetstar HK’s ownership has their Primary Place of Business outside Hong Kong and this is a major problem. The regulator has also stated they will look at Jetstar HK’s share structure in determining the application. As I have said there is a very good reason why every single airline that has been based in Hong Kong since 1997 has had majority HK ownership. Finally if you don’t think the regulator won’t seriously take into account the intent of the “Hong Kong Basic Law” then you are delusional. Andrew Pine who advised the HK Government at the time with the drafting of Chapter V Section 4 has already stated its intent. I place a hell of a lot more weight on his opinion as one of its architects than some lobbyist.

404 Titan 18th Oct 2013 23:51

Strewth

JHK JV, PPB HK, 33% QF, we’ll see.
J* HK is a JV/Partnership/Call it what you want, airline trying to set up in HK where the majority of the ownership have their Principal Place of Business outside Hong Kong.

You’re also suggesting the law isn’t clearly written, requiring explanation as to intent
Every time a law is tested, its intent is looked at.

whilst implying a local owned majority is law.
I have never said or implied that. What I said is that every airline that has been based in Hong Kong since 1997 have interpreted “The Basic Law” that way. I would imagine they received independent legal advice on how to comply with it.

I expect the seriousness the HK Govt. places on law, its existing policies and its hope to enhance relevant arrangements through review is rather the point.
The Hong Kong Government has been very consistent with their interpretation of The Basic Law since the handover in 1997. What makes you think they are going to hand over the keys to Hong Kong aviation to any foreign airline that wants to set up an international airline here when the same right isn’t given to Hong Kong carriers to do the same, especially in Australia and China. The Hong Kong Government loves competition but we already have fierce competition in the aviation market with 107 airlines operating here. The government is also very protective of local businesses against unfair competition and I seriously doubt they would want to simply see Hong Kong become a “Flag of Convenience” for any airline that wants set up shop here, because, after all that is what you are asking them to do.

NB L specifically LL with a B. Only BA as opposed to LL.B or LLB. missing, after AP. Losing count of elephants again.
When you criticise someone because of the letters after their name, you only damage your own argument.

LapSap 22nd Oct 2013 12:17

Forget the AOC.

Lack of useable slots and parking bays at HKIA and interminable delays into China will seal their fate.

MelbPilot85 24th Oct 2013 14:55


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Hedo Rick 26th Oct 2013 02:47

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swh 29th Oct 2013 12:33

Qantas set to feed more money into the independent Jetstar franchise in Japan.

http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...tar-japan.html

Frogman1484 29th Oct 2013 14:50

This will help JS hong kong to prove they are a Hong Kong Company!!!:ok:

Fly747 12th Dec 2013 10:34

Parked in Toulouse!
 
Leak reveals risky moves in Jetstar bid

Cafe City 29th Dec 2013 00:53

Oops.

Jetstar rejects claim airport unable to cope - The Standard

Any truth in the rumor there is going to be a cap on overnight movements?

boocs 30th Dec 2013 03:16

Jetstar rejects claim there is no room for it at Hong Kong | Plane Talking

b.

AQIS Boigu 30th Dec 2013 09:35

LCC airlines should relocate to Macau...plenty of slots, parking space and no congestion...HKG should be a widebody only airport except current resident operators...

Bob Hawke 30th Dec 2013 10:49

LIke Saibai is to Boigu perhaps?

AQIS Boigu 30th Dec 2013 11:46

Bob,

Almost...more like Heathrow and Stanstead...

AB

SloppyJoe 30th Dec 2013 11:54

A shame they are not putting a high speed train on the bridge.

broadband circuit 30th Dec 2013 12:42


Don't know your view guys but how about those foreign LCC currently flying into HKG? Perhaps they want to stop them also?
What a bizarrely ill-informed statement!

Foreign aircraft (be it LCC or legacy) operate using a slot and capacity taken from the air service agreement between Hong Kong and their home "state".

For every foreign LCC flight into Hong Kong, there's a flight available on the same route for a Hong Kong registered and operated aircraft.

Totally different to what Jet* is proposing. They're trying to be a "Hong Kong" airline, using the Hong Kong side of air service agreements to operate services to foreign ports. Hong Kong law quite rightly defines very tightly the definition and registration of a "Hong Kong" airline.

Dan Winterland 30th Dec 2013 14:15


LCC airlines should relocate to Macau...plenty of slots, parking space and no congestion...HKG should be a widebody only airport except current resident operators...
Or Zhuhai. HKIA owns Zhuhai and could offer the reduced costs the LCCs keep asking for to keep their margins bigger. And move the biz jets out there too. Once the bridge is open, it's feasible.

SloppyJoe 30th Dec 2013 16:55

No I think you are missing the point.


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