JetStar HK!
 

This will ruffle a few feathers up on the 9th floor!

Qantas, China Eastern to start Hong Kong budget airline - Totaltravel

hmmm I would think rolling around on the floor in fits of laughter would be more accurate. Qantas couldn't organise a chook raffle under current management. I would wait for the required approval from local govt. before I put too much of a spin on it, then wait to see where they can find some slots

Just make sure you come to HK with a decent package including housing allowance, education and medical, and don't whore yourselves for a little low cost shiny jet.

Will the package be better than HKA? That would make things a bit more interesting.

Bigger questions is if the package will be better than CX. Couldn't be worse, they wouldn't get anyone.

With Kingfisher sinking there will be a bunch of A330 pilots looking for work. Direct Entry FO on DEL Base?

Also some A380 orders going cheap. Might explain why the guys over in the CX Tech School have A380 Tech Manuals.

There are two chances of Jetstar offering a package like that - one is Buckley's and the other is sweet FA.

Take a look at the threads in the East Asia forum about the J* Japan offering.

Low cost carrier - only the staff are low cost. The aeroplanes, spare bits and the fuel cost as much as they do for any other airline.

We are talking 3 A320! Wow, talk about expanding big here! :ok:

And expect to expend the fleet to 18 A320s by 2015...:eek: they aim high~!!

I guess this will be the start of Cathay Australia.

Not exactly the next coming of Sir Freddie Laker!

Where do I apply, can't wait to get out of this CX crap

Will an A320 make the west coast of the Phillipines.

Shimmydamper
 

CX could not crew a "Cathstralia" as every one is on Long Service Leave:8

Or that one of them is leaving to teach the A380 at another airline!

Cloud cuckoo
 

CX have already said they'll oppose any move by QF to do this on Place of Principle Business laws.
They'll win, and this plan, like the others before it from this inept Qantas management will go the way of the dinosaur.
I don't think the 9th floor has got much to worry about from Qantas management who said 777's were "old technology", thought flying to less places would attract more customers, and who decided that grounding the airline was positive for the brand.:ugh:

I don't think upstairs will be ruffled. They will be closely looking at what T&C Jetstar HK pilots will accept. They can then use this amount for any upcoming pay negotiations with Dragon (new D Scale?) or even Cathay. :mad: Plus with KFA close to going under, there will unfortunately be a bunch of pilots and cabin crew looking for work. :sad:

The Krishnamurti Foundation of America is going under? Perhaps The Korean Friendship Association? King Fahad Academy? Korean Football Association?

The Horror!

Well it's a few years away - if it gets off the ground at all - but I agree with Near Miss's comments. This could be the beginning of a cold wind of change blowing through HKG. The CX/Dragon package is still miles above what the rest of the world are having to accept nowadays, and will become unsustainable if a real LCC ever gets a foothold.

That's what has happened all over Europe, and it has ripped pilots T's + C's to shreds there.

You guys in CX have lived sheltered lives up to now.

I hope you have the balls to face down your Management, because I personally would prefer the salary benchmark to be as high as possible. CX high.
But I'm looking at your recent history, and I'm not too confident you can really hold it together when the chips are down.
And they will be.....

WIKIPEDIA: CHINA EASTERN:-
China Eastern Airlines is China's second-largest carrier by passenger numbers and the world’s third-biggest carrier by market value.
The Chinese government has a majority ownership stake in China Eastern Airlines (61.64%).
China Eastern Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...rd-runway.html

Brrrrrr.....feel that wind of change a'blowin'......

too many weights, not enough speed work
 

Algol, why don't you get on Wikipedia and look up Air China, and get back to us:D

OKAY when we had the travel fund and the old provident fund plus 543rule, but thats all gone now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:{

So does the Air China 29% in CX trump the China Eastern 50% in JetStar?
Get back to us on that (along with your insights on internal politics in the Chinese Politburo).

Any way you cut it, Jetstar will get its approval alright.

Algol = W@nker.

Algol,

Is 50% of 0 greater than 29% of a large number? (Jetstar HK doesn't exist yet)

If you believe so, I know of an excellent investment opportunity you may be interested in over here in India. :ok:

Algol is right. Jetstar will get the slots, regardless of the airports capacity. China Eastern, Air China, China Southern etc are all the same thing: the Chinese government. Beijing is happy either way. They can play Cathay against HKA and now Jetstar. It is a great bargaining tool and puts CX on the back foot in any negotiations with Air China(The Chinese government) Alan Joyce has been trying to get into China all along. Up until now he has tried a failed strategy of working from the outside in, hence the failed venture in Vietnam and the new deal in Japan. Looks like he finally got the state partner he needed to get into China. It must have been an incredibly sweet deal for China Eastern to get on-board. You guys need to see the forest from the trees. Beijing wants to keep all the HK carriers on the back foot and this will allow them to extract even more concessions from the likes of CX. My guess is that CX will react with a new LCC, based on Dragonair and 50% or more owned by Air China.

Jetstar Hong Kong under fire from SAR establishment paper | Plane Talking

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It will happen. I'm waiting for when CX launches a version of SQ's Scoot. Maybe they can call it "Scat". Fact is LCC are everywhere else. HKG doesn't yet have its share - and HK people are among the most money saving conscious people anywhere (even if they have bags of it). HKG-SYD-HKG for a grand less than CX and comes with a Gweilo or Chinese pilot? Yes please, they'll say.

Maybe they can call it Cx Poop. They then can use the current bucket seat in economy and serve the same meals!

No retraining needed, it can be manned by our new recruits from Pakistan and India. :ok:

That would be funny Frogman if it weren't so true. :ugh:

Jetstar HK will have a similar effect to that of HKA and HKE. They can skim some of the cream from the regional operations at CX, but at the end of the day they do not have the network or the equipment to truly compete. CX can always undercut them on price because we operate larger aircraft with lower seat costs than an A320/B737. Throw cargo revenues into the equation, and the odds are really stacked against them. Cathay's extensive long-haul network is just another advantage that will keep the CX load factor higher than its competitors, and with higher yields.

That said, Dragonair is probably most vulnerable to this threat in its smaller markets where it flies A320s. However, I doubt Jetstar is looking at flying to second tier markets where the demand is very contingent on connections from Hong Kong onwards.

None of this will stop the company from spinning the LCCs as a threat that must be managed with labour concessions. This is where we will have to stop them. We helped build this company into the global force that it is today. For this, we get to enjoy the fruits by working on vastly superior packages to those of our competition. Needless to say, the cadet program recruiting in places like India and Pakistan is seeking to swing the pendulum in the opposite direction.

IATA conference Beijing


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Jetstar Hong Kong lodges AOC papers, on track for 2013 | Plane Talking

JETSTAR says it is getting strong support from Hong Kong's tourism industry after having lodged its application for Jetstar Hong Kong's air operator's certificate with the Civil Aviation Department.

The airline said the certificate mapped out how the joint venture with China Eastern would manage its engineering, ground operations, fleet and staffing. It also committed the airline to meeting all necessary regulatory requirements, including the key proviso that its principal place of business and centre of decision-making would be in Hong Kong. The airline has set up a project team for Jetstar Hong Kong and expects soon to announce key positions, including that of chief executive. Jetstar Group chief executive Jayne Hrdlicka said the new airline would provide hundreds of jobs and add millions of dollars in annual economic activity by the time it reached its target of 18 aircraft in 2015. Jetstar has brushed off doubts about its ability to get regulatory approval.



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This should be interesting.
Place your bets.....

Qantas domestic in Australia have seen much of their business transferred to Jetstar (for reasons best known to their management).

So the same thing will potentially happen in HK, with the incumbent "domestic" carrier KA/CX standing to lose.

HK authorities are pro-competition but also protective of CX so there is a real dichotomy here.

Interesting times ahead.

Sorry, but what defines the domestic market in Hong Kong? Where does CX and KA stand to lose? Do you mean mainland China? What will prevent KA from matching fares with Jetstar HK? Or just flooding the market with seats? They fly similar equipment, A320 and A330, but have a much deeper pockets and a stronger revenue stream with onward connections and developed cargo markets. Jetstar HK is more likely to price stimulate the markets they fly to than pull much traffic off CX/KA. Over time, Jetstar could pose a threat if they grow to be a large presence, but for now there is little threat beyond what HKA & HKE already generate.

Good luck to them . There is no way in hell that the Jetstar model will work out of HK . You can just about guarantee 20 mins delay on arrival due to traffic , and delays of up to 3 hours due to WX in china or Military exercises on departure.so if they are planning quick turn arounds in HK , Dreaming ! China eastern can't help either as they are always complaining about there delays .

Capt. underpants


KFA = Kingfisher Airlines

Thanks for resolving the confusion. Who would have thought that KFA could refer to an airline, on an airline forum...

I thought it meant Kds With Food Allergies! Or the Keep Fit Association...

Transfering from HKA to Jetstar Hong Kong
 

There are many of us at Hong Kong Airlines that are desperate to escape this poorly managed and disrespectful company.

Is there any official information about the expected salary at Jetstar Hong Kong?

Rumor is 6 weeks annual leave, Capt 120,000 HKD each month and free yearly transport for family back to country of origin with good medical and loss of license insurance. Rostering 5 days on 4 days off.

If this is true I have about 40 Pilots ready to sign and leave this company. HKA just can not get it right after all these years. They have no idea to treat staff, and penny pinch in areas which cost them much more over all. Rostering and management have gotten worse, and the CAD is not happy.

Get me out of here. Like rats in a sinking ship we all want out now.

Jetstar salary information appreciated.

Man, what have you been smoking ? You knew what you were in for when you joined HKA (it is well documented on this forum) Now you and others are hoping for a change in fortune. Love the rumoured T&C's for Jetstar HKG.
Sadly they will turn out to be just someones wish list. Budget airlines can and do employ pilots for a lot less. The reason why airlines are successful at this is because some pilots will fly for very little just to get the jet time, only to have their actions "bite them on the arse" at a later date. Be carefull what you wish for and good luck with that rumour.