Why Chinese in Aviation ??(Merged)
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Why Chinese in Aviation ??(Merged)
KA is doing a lot of local recuritment in Hong Kong. Why do they ask for :
"Good command of both spoken and written English and Chinese"
Even for positions relating to flight safety etc .
"Good command of both spoken and written English and Chinese"
Even for positions relating to flight safety etc .
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ronnie 123:
Things are changing comrade. If you want to be part of the new order then you had better get with it. Aviation uses both Chinese and English so in this matter Dragon Air could be considered the Á'µ¼.
Hong Xing
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Things are changing comrade. If you want to be part of the new order then you had better get with it. Aviation uses both Chinese and English so in this matter Dragon Air could be considered the Á'µ¼.
Hong Xing
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An Omitted Language
An Omitted Language:
There are ten national languages listed on Pprune under the banner of " Non English Language Forums ", Africa, Canada (French), Middle East, Far East, Caribbean, Latin America, Nordic, French, Spanish and Italian. I would like to ask the administrators (via the Fragrant Harbour moderator) why it is that Fragrant Harbour does not qualify as a Non English speaking forum when one consdiers that Hong Kong is part of the Peoples Republic of China where the language spoken is Chinese not English ?
Aviation requires English to run parallel with all the above languages and I can't understand why the discrimination against Fragrant Harbour. I would have thought both protocol and good manners are the order of the day in matters such as this.
Hong Xing
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There are ten national languages listed on Pprune under the banner of " Non English Language Forums ", Africa, Canada (French), Middle East, Far East, Caribbean, Latin America, Nordic, French, Spanish and Italian. I would like to ask the administrators (via the Fragrant Harbour moderator) why it is that Fragrant Harbour does not qualify as a Non English speaking forum when one consdiers that Hong Kong is part of the Peoples Republic of China where the language spoken is Chinese not English ?
Aviation requires English to run parallel with all the above languages and I can't understand why the discrimination against Fragrant Harbour. I would have thought both protocol and good manners are the order of the day in matters such as this.
Hong Xing
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Hong Xing
As you are probably aware, all the participants in the 'Foreign' language forums speak both that foreign language and English.
Were PPRuNe to set up a Chinese language forum, (Mandarin, Cantonese, Hockien?), the majority of aviaition people in the area covered by the Fragrant Harbour forum would not be able to understand it, now THAT would be discrimination with a capital D.
I have passed your comments back to the BB Administrators but bear in mind that you are asking for a facility that no one else on PPRuNe gets.
regards,
BlueEagle - Moderator.
Were PPRuNe to set up a Chinese language forum, (Mandarin, Cantonese, Hockien?), the majority of aviaition people in the area covered by the Fragrant Harbour forum would not be able to understand it, now THAT would be discrimination with a capital D.
I have passed your comments back to the BB Administrators but bear in mind that you are asking for a facility that no one else on PPRuNe gets.
regards,
BlueEagle - Moderator.
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Mr. Xing,
"COMRADE" seems like Iam back in the 50s even tho I was not born in the good old glory days.
So whats really changing & what new order, mate ! dare if I call you mate. Pls help clr this for me.
Thks.
"COMRADE" seems like Iam back in the 50s even tho I was not born in the good old glory days.
So whats really changing & what new order, mate ! dare if I call you mate. Pls help clr this for me.
Thks.
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Hong Xing,
Next time you go on a flight and speak chinese, see if the guy sitting next to you will give you a dirty look.
Who doesn't know english is the language of aviation? What is the big deal about this chinese bit with these topics anyways?
Next time, ask your ops as to why the SOP is not in chinese..
Next time you go on a flight and speak chinese, see if the guy sitting next to you will give you a dirty look.
Who doesn't know english is the language of aviation? What is the big deal about this chinese bit with these topics anyways?
Next time, ask your ops as to why the SOP is not in chinese..
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BlueEagle:
Thanks for your reply. What you say about discriminatin is not really correct. Chinese when written using the stylised characters or the alphabetical pinyin system is understood by all literate Chinese people. The dialects you refer to are only concerned with sound ie how the word is pronounced and they have nothing to do with how the word is written. To put it another way is to say Chinese is a pictorial, not a phonetic language. Words are pronounced differently in different provinices, even though they are written in the same way and have the same meaning. Thus it stands that the written word is all embracing. There is no difference between me seeing French on the French Forum and not understanding it and a Hong Kong expatriate seeing Chinese on the Fragrant Harbour screen and not understanding it. Same Thing.
I am not asking for a separate forum for Chinese only, I am only asking that the title of Fragrant Harbour be amended to reflect and remind that Chinese is encouraged. If one cares to think geographically then surely that's not too much to ask. Perhaps you would be kind enough to pass this onto the administrator.
Regards,
Hong Xing
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Thanks for your reply. What you say about discriminatin is not really correct. Chinese when written using the stylised characters or the alphabetical pinyin system is understood by all literate Chinese people. The dialects you refer to are only concerned with sound ie how the word is pronounced and they have nothing to do with how the word is written. To put it another way is to say Chinese is a pictorial, not a phonetic language. Words are pronounced differently in different provinices, even though they are written in the same way and have the same meaning. Thus it stands that the written word is all embracing. There is no difference between me seeing French on the French Forum and not understanding it and a Hong Kong expatriate seeing Chinese on the Fragrant Harbour screen and not understanding it. Same Thing.
I am not asking for a separate forum for Chinese only, I am only asking that the title of Fragrant Harbour be amended to reflect and remind that Chinese is encouraged. If one cares to think geographically then surely that's not too much to ask. Perhaps you would be kind enough to pass this onto the administrator.
Regards,
Hong Xing
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Why dont you just go nuts and post in all the barbed wire you wish young grasshopper. Seems you are able to do it, and for those who have the correct script package downloaded, it can be read.
Fragrant Harbour-A forum for the large number of pilots (expats and locals) based with the various airlines in Hong Kong. Air Traffic Controllers are also warmly welcomed into the forum, as is Hong Xing, who may post till his little heart is content in whatever script he desires ¡£
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Fragrant Harbour-A forum for the large number of pilots (expats and locals) based with the various airlines in Hong Kong. Air Traffic Controllers are also warmly welcomed into the forum, as is Hong Xing, who may post till his little heart is content in whatever script he desires ¡£
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As has been stated many times before, the official language of PPRuNe is English and this will not change in the foreseeable future.
Currently none of the moderators are sufficiently conversant in Chinese, (any dialect), for a separate forum to be feasible, though that may not always be the case.
When I mentioned discrimination I was not talking about discrimination between Chinese dialects.
The majority of aviation people in the area covered by the Fragrant Harbour forum speak English, a few, a minority, also speak a dialect of Chinese. Hopefully, eventually, PPRuNe will reach out into the major part of Chinese aviation and cover the whole of China.
It is not within the nature of PPRuNe to cater to any minority, to do so would make the entire bulletin board quite unmanageable, to cater for any minority would also be discriminatory.
If you have any further questions on this subject you may wish to contact the Administrators directly? [email protected]
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BlueEagle - Moderator.
Currently none of the moderators are sufficiently conversant in Chinese, (any dialect), for a separate forum to be feasible, though that may not always be the case.
When I mentioned discrimination I was not talking about discrimination between Chinese dialects.
The majority of aviation people in the area covered by the Fragrant Harbour forum speak English, a few, a minority, also speak a dialect of Chinese. Hopefully, eventually, PPRuNe will reach out into the major part of Chinese aviation and cover the whole of China.
It is not within the nature of PPRuNe to cater to any minority, to do so would make the entire bulletin board quite unmanageable, to cater for any minority would also be discriminatory.
If you have any further questions on this subject you may wish to contact the Administrators directly? [email protected]
regards,
BlueEagle - Moderator.
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Hey Hong Xing. Good wind up, not too busy are we? I suggest you spend a bit more time in the books - English I hasten to add -that might improve your professional knowledge. I just wasted a few minutes investigating those ten non-english language forums to find that around 95% of the posts are in that dreaded language English. Given the teensy number of ethnic Chinese aviators in Hong Kong, all of whom speak - or should - good english do you really expect the moderators to employ a Chinese linguist to keep posts under a modicum of control?
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BlueEagle:
If from time to time a matter arises that causes me to feel I can express myself more eloquently in Chinese than in English would what I write be removed from Fragrant Harbour?
Chinese is a most descriptive language and I'm sure it would be appreciated by Dragon Air's Chinese Captains and First Officers, their newly expected Chinese cadets from mainland China and Cathay's Chinese First Officers. I know you have asked me to refer all this direct to the administrator but I would appreciate a reply to this question as it will allow me to present my case in full.
Regards,
Hong Xing
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If from time to time a matter arises that causes me to feel I can express myself more eloquently in Chinese than in English would what I write be removed from Fragrant Harbour?
Chinese is a most descriptive language and I'm sure it would be appreciated by Dragon Air's Chinese Captains and First Officers, their newly expected Chinese cadets from mainland China and Cathay's Chinese First Officers. I know you have asked me to refer all this direct to the administrator but I would appreciate a reply to this question as it will allow me to present my case in full.
Regards,
Hong Xing
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Hong Xing
In order to protect this bulletin board from litigation, in the event that a poster makes a libellous statement, for example, it is a requirement that all posts be moderated.
Currently there are no moderators on PPRuNe that speak and read Chinese and consequently a post in Chinese could not be properly moderated. As a means of legal protection for PPRuNe only and not as an act of discrimination a post in Chinese would be removed. In the event that PPRuNe is able to find Chinese speaking moderators at some time in the future then it is possible that posts in Chinese will then be allowed.
You are, of course, at liberty to establish your own bulletin board and you can specify that the Chinese language may be used, you will be accepting full legal responsibility for anything that appears on such a bulletin board.
Sorry that PPRuNe cannot be more accommodating at this stage, nevertheless, we hope you are able to continue to enjoy this facility which is provided to you completely free of charge.
BlueEagle - Moderator.
Currently there are no moderators on PPRuNe that speak and read Chinese and consequently a post in Chinese could not be properly moderated. As a means of legal protection for PPRuNe only and not as an act of discrimination a post in Chinese would be removed. In the event that PPRuNe is able to find Chinese speaking moderators at some time in the future then it is possible that posts in Chinese will then be allowed.
You are, of course, at liberty to establish your own bulletin board and you can specify that the Chinese language may be used, you will be accepting full legal responsibility for anything that appears on such a bulletin board.
Sorry that PPRuNe cannot be more accommodating at this stage, nevertheless, we hope you are able to continue to enjoy this facility which is provided to you completely free of charge.
BlueEagle - Moderator.
Blue Eagle,
what is the 'hiring' process for moderator's?
This Hong Xing character could possibly fill the role of
thereby solving both of your issues at once.
what is the 'hiring' process for moderator's?
This Hong Xing character could possibly fill the role of
In the event that PPRuNe is able to find Chinese speaking moderators at some time in the future then it is possible that posts in Chinese will then be allowed.
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As a general rule of thumb only, Moderators are normally picked from among PPRuNers who have been on these bulletin boards for a number of years, have a depth of experience commensurate with the forums on which they moderate, frequently are already known personally to the Administrators, (though this is not always the case), and are people who have the energy and time to spend many hours ploughing through the forums.
The quality of their posts will have some bearing on whether they are picked or not to be a moderator. In my case I had been registered with PPRuNe for seven years before being selected.
Of course there is a bit more to it than that, an ability to remain objective, not get involved in arguments or take sides in any way, recognise when a post is irrelevant, off-topic, insulting or has the potential to be libellous etc., to name but a few.
Hong Xing first registered in July 2003 and has so far made eight posts, it will be up to the Administrators of PPRuNe to make all and any decisions regarding a Chinese language forum.
BlueEagle - Moderator.
The quality of their posts will have some bearing on whether they are picked or not to be a moderator. In my case I had been registered with PPRuNe for seven years before being selected.
Of course there is a bit more to it than that, an ability to remain objective, not get involved in arguments or take sides in any way, recognise when a post is irrelevant, off-topic, insulting or has the potential to be libellous etc., to name but a few.
Hong Xing first registered in July 2003 and has so far made eight posts, it will be up to the Administrators of PPRuNe to make all and any decisions regarding a Chinese language forum.
BlueEagle - Moderator.
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BlueEagle:
I'd say we have now just about covered everything in detail. I'll contact the administrators and ask them to consider my request for Chinese to be allowed on Fragrant Harbour . This will be based on our discussion, which I have rather enjoyed. (Request to adminstrators is copied below).
Regards,
Hong Xing
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Gentlemen:
This is to ask if you would consider allowing Chinese to be used on " Fragrant Harbour "? I have discussed the matter at great length with BlueEagle (moderator) and our points of view are set out within " An Omitted Language " which is presently running on "Fragrant Harbour " . Would you be kind enough to look at what has been said with a view to my request.
Sincerely,
Hong Xing
I'd say we have now just about covered everything in detail. I'll contact the administrators and ask them to consider my request for Chinese to be allowed on Fragrant Harbour . This will be based on our discussion, which I have rather enjoyed. (Request to adminstrators is copied below).
Regards,
Hong Xing
Sent to Pprune administration and copied here.
Gentlemen:
This is to ask if you would consider allowing Chinese to be used on " Fragrant Harbour "? I have discussed the matter at great length with BlueEagle (moderator) and our points of view are set out within " An Omitted Language " which is presently running on "Fragrant Harbour " . Would you be kind enough to look at what has been said with a view to my request.
Sincerely,
Hong Xing